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http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/24/middleeast/warplane-crashes-near-syria-turkey-border/

 

Oh snap! This shit is a complete mess. I hear that one of the pilots is dead, and there is a video of people shooting at the pilots as they were parachuting out.

Was this necessary or did Turkey go overboard? It's a pretty bold move either way.

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Turkey is saying they are justified because "look at this image", while Russia is saying they ain't because "look at their image" and in addition Turkey had violated Syrian airspace itself. Had that pilot not been killed that'd be one thing, but with him dead Putin has to do something. Another pilot is presumed alive but the rescue team sent to save him got shot at (by the "moderates" it seems) and one of the soldiers on board also died. 

 

America will try to use this into a "hands off our bought and paid fanatics the moderates", but I hope Putin fobs them off and escalates things. Vowing to bring down any planes violating Syrian airspace would be a start.

 

Of course such a thing is unlikely so Russia will likely push the angle that Turkey is an ally of terrorism (they are so hardly a lie) and a dangerous place, increase prices on their gas, and send some funding/arms/supplies PKK's way.

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It's been claimed that the Russian Jet's were only in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds.

 

Which doesn't justify the shooting down and the deaths of one of the pilots.

 

Turkey is far too aggressive. If the Russian Jet's were to cross U.S.A or European airspace's, they would be escorted out, not shot down as if it's the battle of London. 

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It's been claimed that the Russian Jet's were only in Turkish airspace for 17 seconds.

 

Which doesn't justify the shooting down and the deaths of one of the pilots.

 

Turkey is far too aggressive. If the Russian Jet's were to cross U.S.A or European airspace's, they would be escorted out, not shot down as if it's the battle of London. 

30 seconds, according the US military. It was flying through the southern most tip of Turkey, it's not like it was blatantly flying into Turkey. 

Here's a radar image released by Turkey reportedly showing the path of the jet:

 

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Turkey kebabs are suckers...perhaps the pilot's hand slipped on the wheel. Perhaps he read his map wrong. Perhaps he was reaching out to get a drink and accidentally hit the steering thing with his elbow.

 

30 seconds. The time it takes you to respond to this comment. 30 seconds cost someone their life.

 

Turkey violates other countries airspace all the time. Greece, for example.

 

America would not do this. Nor would Europe. Heck, even Russia itself might be a bit kinder.

 

If Russia declares war on Turkey...they asked for it. That's practically an act of war.

 

For once...I will side with Russia on that.

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The most evil thought hit me pondering the actions made by Turkey in this event. It would be amusing to see Hagia Sophia go back into the hands of the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Byzantine Church re-established intact instead of dispersed due to the Russian takeover of Turkey on a full blown invasion. That would be rather amusing considering there is a little known prophesy stating the Russian Orthodox Church and State would re-establish the seat of the Emperor and Patriarch to full authority in Constantinople.

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The most evil thought hit me pondering the actions made by Turkey in this event. It would be amusing to see Hagia Sophia go back into the hands of the Patriarch of Constantinople and the Byzantine Church re-established intact instead of dispersed due to the Russian takeover of Turkey on a full blown invasion. That would be rather amusing considering there is a little known prophesy stating the Russian Orthodox Church and State would re-establish the seat of the Emperor and Patriarch to full authority in Constantinople.

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Would be so nice to see the re-establishment of Greater Greece (Megali Idea), a united Kurdistan, and a greater Armenia.

And the turks can go back to Turkmenistan :)

Would solve a lot of problems... for us :D

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Would be so nice to see the re-establishment of Greater Greece (Megali Idea), a united Kurdistan, and a greater Armenia.

And the turks can go back to Turkmenistan :)

Would solve a lot of problems... for us :D

 

But....

Turks makes Great Kebabs, Almost as great as the Arameans.

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The "moderates" shot at the Russians because the Russians are bombing them. Just saying.

The "Moderates" are Terrorists Themselves, Apperently Al-Nursa Is a "Morderate", Turkey is an "ally", Assad is a "Reigime" , and The FSA Is an "Freedom fighter"

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Not all groups fighting on the ground are moderate, and only a moron would class Al quaida affiliates as moderate. That language is just the information the pro-Assad people use to try and make it black and white: terrorists and Assad. Despite what people think, there are secular and moderate forces on the ground.

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+1

 

Would be so nice to see the re-establishment of Greater Greece (Megali Idea), a united Kurdistan, and a greater Armenia.

And the turks can go back to Turkmenistan :)

Would solve a lot of problems... for us :D

The only scary thought about all this though is that one of the last living heirs to the Seat of Byzantium is Prince Charles of Wales.

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+1

 

Would be so nice to see the re-establishment of Greater Greece (Megali Idea), a united Kurdistan, and a greater Armenia.

And the turks can go back to Turkmenistan :)

Would solve a lot of problems... for us :D

 

Sounds good. Bring back the Roman Empire!

 

Not all groups fighting on the ground are moderate, and only a moron would class Al quaida affiliates as moderate. That language is just the information the pro-Assad people use to try and make it black and white: terrorists and Assad. Despite what people think, there are secular and moderate forces on the ground.

 

Only using the term how the propaganda free media has, nothing more. Mocking the term is an important part of discrediting the media and those who wish to push America's ambition of regime change. One or two secular guys America managed to train (that didn't immediately defect to fanatics) fighting out there hardly constitutes a fighting force. 

 

You may call it "pro-Assad" information but that betrays reality a bit. Anti-Assad propaganda that portrays fanatics like heroes of democracy has been the norm (excessively so especially early on), not the opposite. Only recently now that even some of the most staunch can no longer deny how it really is has it changed. I was saying that the FSA was just a band of fanatics soon after all this started and a lot of people would resist that... now? Very few. 

 

If there is truly in significant enough numbers any of these fabled moderates then they should defect to Assad for the good of the country now. What does fighting together with an army of fanatics achieve? Alright say they win, which they won't... then what? Fanatics will rule the roost, not this fabled secular moderate force of theirs. 

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Not all groups fighting on the ground are moderate, and only a moron would class Al quaida affiliates as moderate. That language is just the information the pro-Assad people use to try and make it black and white: terrorists and Assad. Despite what people think, there are secular and moderate forces on the ground.

Can you name any of them?

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The only scary thought about all this though is that one of the last living heirs to the Seat of Byzantium is Prince Charles of Wales.

 

Haha, we just use the Wittelsbacher as Kings of Greece again :D

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Daily reminder Turkey is a closet supporter of ISIS and various other terrorist groups.

 

Daily reminder Greece had to deal with all kinds of intrusions by Turkey in its airspace.

 

Daily reminder Russia dindu nuffin and they gud bois.

 

Daily reminder we still remember Turkey's genocides and are more than willing to get even.

 

Daily reminder that as long as the Turks aren't kicked out, Vlad Tepes' efforts will be in vain.

 

Daily reminder... well...

 

...don't have anything more to say.

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Seriously, go look up the actual groups fighting. Use Wikipedia if you can't find proper sources. They're divided between the government, the opposition, jihadist forces, ISIL/IS and the kurds. Each side tries to group the side they don't like in as jihadist but it's far from the case. The opposition controls the vast majority of the North West and most of the land that isn't in government of ISIS hands. That land is not controlled by random terror groups with a few hundred members.

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Seriously, go look up the actual groups fighting. Use Wikipedia if you can't find proper sources. They're divided between the government, the opposition, jihadist forces, ISIL/IS and the kurds. Each side tries to group the side they don't like in as jihadist but it's far from the case. The opposition controls the vast majority of the North West and most of the land that isn't in government of ISIS hands. That land is not controlled by random terror groups with a few hundred members.

 

Pretty sure the burden of doing that is on you. Additionally didn't you discredit Wikipedia not too long ago? Why is it suddenly worth looking at now?

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