Socialist Workers Front Sabotaging War Against UPN

[Xenodolf]

But, you no longer have the upper hand. In fact it can be argued that you are now in a position of weakness, considering the relentless attacks by SWF, and may be forced to accept the new terms laid out by The Evenstar Empire.

OR....... 

[Sam Boga]

So much drama over an alliance that's !@#$ worthless

 

You sure seem to spend a lot of time driving this meme...

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

If I remember right they weren't anything severe. I think it was just they stop talking shit about us so damn much and we have an NAP. If people actually tried to approach us diplomatically they would find we are relatively easygoing in terms of peace conditions.

 

Seems pretty reasonable to me.

[Crust]

If people actually tried to approach us diplomatically they would find we are relatively easygoing in terms of peace conditions.

 

We did when you guys first started out. You basically told us to go !@#$ ourselves.

 

I ain't mad, it was expected. But don't go lying.

[Kyoko]

We did when you guys first started out. You basically told us to go !@#$ ourselves.

 

I ain't mad, it was expected. But don't go lying.

I don't recall telling swf to go !@#$ themselves. I do remember that very early on we actually frequently hid war loot in SWF until we needed it.

[Crust]

I don't recall telling swf to go !@#$ themselves. I do remember that very early on we actually frequently hid war loot in SWF until we needed it.

 

I'm talking about CF, since you wrote IR is open to diplomatic relationships. 

[Kyoko]

I'm talking about CF, since you wrote IR is open to diplomatic relationships. 

Oh I was talking about SWF. They were one of the only alliances we had actively sought friendly relations with.

[Vassili Dovgan]

Oh I was talking about SWF. They were one of the only alliances we had actively sought friendly relations with.

 

I've never seen any of this.

[Sam Boga]

I've never seen any of this.

 

Probably because after your coup you guys started raiding us willy-nilly and ignored our comms. 

 

Like all good little reactionaries, Socialist Workers Front has shown they are willing to blatantly lie and rewrite history according to their own interests. They've already admitted they see to purge us simply because they see us as competitors. Now they deny we ever treated them as friends. 

 

Anyone willing to enter future relations with SWF should keep in mind their tendency to lie and deny the facts, and turn on you at a moments notice, then claim to be the victims. Regardless of your position on the current war, they have shown they cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

 

See below for all the times I have contacted SWF and been completely ignored, despite their claims that we never talked to them. Check the times of the comms. Most other alliances that we have fought have responded to diplomacy, but SWF is the only one aside from VE to completely ignore our attempts to reach out, and the only one to deny we ever attempted to do such a thing.

 

Say what you will about International Revolution, but at least we haven't practiced perfidy or perpetrated lies like SWF has. We've done our best to represent the truth of every situation we've been a part of.

 

Here we are reaching out to SWF under their new leadership to maintain ties after one of theirs attacked us without provocation. No response.

 

Here we are reaching out to SWF after one of their members attacked us again, with an explanation. No response.

 

 

 

 

 

We wrote to Cigaro, who continually raided us. No response.

 

 

 

More raids from Cigaro against us, even after all this (there were more even before this date, but it appears his activity has erased them).

 

 

 

 

Here we finally tire of Cigaro's continuous raids and SWF ignoring us for three months, and take action against him.

 

 

 

A message from SWF, and me asking them to tell Cigaro to stop (notice this has bene going on since August, and this message is from 10 days before SWF declared a war of extermination against us). Instead of complying with the request, SWF refuses to acknowledge their, and particular;y Cigaro's history of raiding us, and instead issues a "join or die" ultimatum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let is be known that any alliance interacting with SWF is subject to this treatment. They have shown that they are willing to deny facts, outright lie, and attempt to suppress history. SWF is truly the most vile of alliances. Not even VE was this bad. 

Edited November 1, 2015 by Sam Boga

[Vassili Dovgan]

Probably because after your coup you guys started raiding us willy-nilly and ignored our comms. 

 

We (the new government) never recieved any messages from any of you.

Keep in mind, that you started raiding us. Our attacks were just counter-raids.

[Sam Boga]

We (the new government) never recieved any messages from any of you.

Keep in mind, that you started raiding us. Our attacks were just counter-raids.

 

How many coups have you had? These raids began back in August after Reznikov was removed. We attempted to maintain good relations with you even after that yet you continued to attack us and completely ignore us, despite our previous friendly history.

 

Your leaders never responded to us, and your attacks continued despite every attempt to reach out, as shown by the comms I just posted above. You continue to maintain innocence yet never made any attempt to address the issues we had with SWF, and instead decided to escalate to total war while claiming to be the victim.

 

You complain us about reaching out to your allies to mediate, yet you never once responded to our requests for diplomacy, except to give me an ultimatum to join you or face destruction. Your lies are laid bare for everyone to see.

Edited November 1, 2015 by Sam Boga

[Ibrahim (Banned)]

Only three on-going wars, with IR being the aggressor in one of them, and neither side is winning from the looks of it.

[Vassili Dovgan]

Seriously, if you ever want someone to read your posts you should stop building those walls of text. Most people who stumble over your pathetic attempt to harm us be like

 

 

Now first of all, I'm not Milkman. I don't care what he said to you because I don't have anything to do with that. He never shared any conversations with me, nor the rest of the government. The only thing I know is that at the time I got in power, your alliance acted like complete crazies and now you're whining about experiencing the consequences.

 

So what is the best response to a wall of text? A wrecking ball of text!

 

Let is be known that any alliance interacting with SWF is subject to this treatment. They have shown that they are willing to deny facts, outright lie, and attempt to suppress history. SWF is truly the most vile of alliances. Not even VE was this bad. 

 

Everything is this sentence applies to IR.

Let's take a look at the screenshots. They only show the counter raids to your attacks on us. This is a try to let us look bad. The truth is that IR, and I think many other alliances can confirm this, is a marauding raiding alliance that doesn't care for any kind of relationship.

 

Let's examine some of the most interesting screenshots:

The first one says you had good relations with us under Reznikov's rule. There are some things to note:

-Reznikov didn't rule the alliance.

-Reznikov liked you because he basically had the same destructive attitude like you had (which is also the reason why we kicked him). He began raids on us.

 

Screenshot No.3: No papers, no friendship. A good relation with one member doesn't make you friends of a whole alliance. In the aftermath, I'm quite happy that we never officially had good relations with IR. I would be highly ashamed to cooperate with fake revolutionaries and anarchist enablers.

 

The first 2 Cigaro screens: Attacking inactives as actually quite a normal thing to do. It woud've been different if you had any kind of hint that you don't accept raiding of inactives on your alliance site, which you didn't have.

 

Cigaro's October wars: All responses to attacks on us. Also I don't see why you call us Trots. We're further away from Trotskyism than you guys are.

 

The conversation with Hawicki: It's called freedom of speech. I let my members talk with whomever they want. At the time your conversation began (10/10/2015), comrade Hawicki didn't even had a position in our government. Comrade Hawicki's suggestion is to be seen as a last gestrure of sympathy. It would have you saved you, but as already mentioned, I'm quite happy you rejected this.

If I wanted someone to send you an offer like an ultimatum, I would send the person responsible for such tasks: Comrade Governor, Minister of Foreign Affairs.

 

Btw, why so much censorship, m8?

 

Instead of accusing other people to play the victim, you should stop to do so yourselves.

 

 

Oh, one more thing: editing screenshots into your posts, several minutes AFTER I responded doesn't help your cause at all.

 

 

EDIT: corrected some typos.

Edited November 1, 2015 by Vassili Dovgan

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Probably because after your coup you guys started raiding us willy-nilly and ignored our comms. 

 

Like all good little reactionaries, Socialist Workers Front has shown they are willing to blatantly lie and rewrite history according to their own interests. They've already admitted they see to purge us simply because they see us as competitors. Now they deny we ever treated them as friends. 

 

Anyone willing to enter future relations with SWF should keep in mind their tendency to lie and deny the facts, and turn on you at a moments notice, then claim to be the victims. Regardless of your position on the current war, they have shown they cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

 

See below for all the times I have contacted SWF and been completely ignored, despite their claims that we never talked to them. Check the times of the comms. Most other alliances that we have fought have responded to diplomacy, but SWF is the only one aside from VE to completely ignore our attempts to reach out, and the only one to deny we ever attempted to do such a thing.

 

Say what you will about International Revolution, but at least we haven't practiced perfidy or perpetrated lies like SWF has. We've done our best to represent the truth of every situation we've been a part of.

 

Here we are reaching out to SWF under their new leadership to maintain ties after one of theirs attacked us without provocation. No response.

 

Here we are reaching out to SWF after one of their members attacked us again, with an explanation. No response.

 

 

 

 

 

We wrote to Cigaro, who continually raided us. No response.

 

 

 

More raids from Cigaro against us, even after all this (there were more even before this date, but it appears his activity has erased them).

 

 

 

 

Here we finally tire of Cigaro's continuous raids and SWF ignoring us for three months, and take action against him.

 

 

 

A message from SWF, and me asking them to tell Cigaro to stop (notice this has bene going on since August, and this message is from 10 days before SWF declared a war of extermination against us). Instead of complying with the request, SWF refuses to acknowledge their, and particular;y Cigaro's history of raiding us, and instead issues a "join or die" ultimatum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let is be known that any alliance interacting with SWF is subject to this treatment. They have shown that they are willing to deny facts, outright lie, and attempt to suppress history. SWF is truly the most vile of alliances. Not even VE was this bad. 

I only befriended Ms Boga because I thought at one point that she might have been Polish (based on her very Polish avatar). It turned out that Ms Boga is not Polish, however, I still maintained friendly contact with her for the sake of conversation. The question of the International Revolution was hardly pertinent until our last dialogue. My offer of membership was, in the words of Comrade-President Dovgan, a mere gesture of goodwill to an acquaintance. I could not alter the situation between International Revolution and the Socialist Workers' Front. However, I could at least try to convince a new acquaintance to help herself. She declined, or rather failed to reply to my offer. Had she taken it, I would have ensured that the Free Land of Burani would become a well-integrated member of the Socialist Workers' Front. All past offences would have been forgotten. However,there was little else that I could do once Ms Boga failed to reply to me. 

 

By the way, I find it rather distasteful that anybody would elect to send nudes of themselves as a peace offering.

Edited November 1, 2015 by Klemens Hawicki

[Dark Specter]

I only befriended Ms Boga because I thought at one point that she might have been Polish (based on her very Polish avatar). It turned out that Ms Boga is not Polish, however, I still maintained friendly contact with her for the sake of conversation. The question of the International Revolution was hardly pertinent until our last dialogue. My offer of membership was, in the words of Comrade-President Dovgan, a mere gesture of goodwill to an acquaintance. I could not alter the situation between International Revolution and the Socialist Workers' Front. However, I could at least try to convince a new acquaintance to help herself. She declined, or rather failed to reply to my offer. Had she taken it, I would have ensured that the Free Land of Burani would become a well-integrated member of the Socialist Workers' Front. All past offences would have been forgotten. However,there was little else that I could do once Ms Boga failed to reply to me. 

 

By the way, I find it rather distasteful that anybody would elect to send nudes of themselves as a peace offering.

I am pretty sure she didnt really send nudes to achieve peace. And plus i would choose IR over SWF any day seeing how they do shit.

[Kurdanak]

Ah yes, the weekly IR thread is here. And going just about as swimmingly as expected.