a Statment from Hansarius and the United Purple Nations

[Prefonteen]

You're a liar. Regardless if we bounced ideas around, VE talked extensively with UPN and helped prevent them from attacking you when you left Pargon. You continue to slander us, even to this day.

 

o/ UPN. Give them hell.

 

Yeah no. We have received confirmation on various occasions that you offered us up to the wolves right around that period, and that UPN told you no. That intel stems from a high ranking UPN source. Now unless we have been lied to in that regard, the only one following a narrative that is entirely disconnected from Reality is you and yours. Or perhaps your internal communications have prevented you from picking up on the full extent of VE's actions towards tS during the period following the logs. Either way, your callout of me for being a 'liar' is entirely grounded in the subjective perception of events which you lads have circlejerked yourselves into believing.

[stetonic]

Sorry to interrupt this totally comprehensible argument again, but the Google provided auto-translation of the text in the OP is golden:

I, too, feel better to kill than to be punched to death.

I fully agree being punched to death sounds like a shit afternoon

[Alataq]

An alliance with a hundred+members thats already allied to two other rather large alliances has to ally another 100+ member alliance to make a move?

 

And hear I thought UPN was honorable.

With all of tS protectorates, and allies. Yes

[Lord Bagel]

With all of tS protectorates, and allies. Yes

We all know that protectorates are the most important part of t$ security team

[Bollocks]

Can confirm. We have to stand guard outside the Kosher Deli every night. 

[stetonic]

We all know that protectorates are the most important part of t$ security team

 

Well we all know the TS military where not apart of that security team 

[Tali]

With all of tS protectorates, and allies. Yes

Funny coming from you.

[Alataq]

Funny coming from you.

That doesn't even make sense.

[Atzuya]

Metro is yet to be nuked. Can't we focus on a more important matter?

[Prefonteen]

Well we all know the TS military where not apart of that security team 

 

Our security team was cashing in on its off-days, earned during the war you didn't fight.

[stetonic]

Our security team was cashing in on its off-days, earned during the war you didn't fight.

 

You mean the wars we had no reason to fight.Unless you missed the politics part of the game.ALLIANCE'S DON'T GO TO WAR FOR NO REASON

[Buorhann]

So the OP is UPN going to war with TS,SK and TEst but you have Mensa going on about VE not being liked,VE inactive nation's and Mensa talking shit about DEIC.You do know the myth about if a Mensa member does not post in every thread the world will end is just that a myth.

Do you follow conversations or just convienently pick them out to suit your agenda?

 

(Where did Mensa talk shit about DEIC here? I'm on my phone so it's difficult to search through)

[stetonic]

So the strategy is to ally with all the very top alliances, and then get them to help you hit several drastically smaller alliances. Because they are "a threat." But obviously the threat isn't significant, or you know DEIC wouldn't have stirred its bulk into a bumbling wobble towards the front line. 

 

Sure, you'll win. But you won't get any congratulations from me, because you will have accomplished nothing worthy of note. 

 

Just for your phone 

[Lord Bagel]

Well we all know the TS military where not apart of that security team

I don't really know what this is supposed to mean but I'm sure it is an insult against t$ military. If you think we weren't ready for this war it is probably because we were coming off of fighting Rose a month about 8 weeks ago.

[Buorhann]

Just for your phone

That's shit talking? Ok....

[stetonic]

Well you where less then 2 million soldiers from full capacity when the first attack happened and you had over 250k tanks.So i wouldn't say you had your pants fully down and 1 maybe 2 more days you would of been almost fully active and you can't blame me for you fighting Rose.That was Mensa's fault 

[stetonic]

That's shit talking? Ok....

 

So your calling your member shit.Well i hope you aint part of the happy work force team coz you will have made him sad

[Speaker Faris Wheeler]

I don't really know what this is supposed to mean but I'm sure it is an insult against t$ military. If you think we weren't ready for this war it is probably because we were coming off of fighting Rose a month about 8 weeks ago.

I'm sure in 8 weeks an alliance can rebuild and prepare again, so idk where you are goin with that

[Wayne]

I'm sure in 8 weeks an alliance can rebuild and prepare again, so idk where you are goin with that

 

Tell that to Vanguard...

[Prefonteen]

 

I'll be honest with you because I still have a soft spot for TS.

 

The difference, Partisan, is one of honesty, forthrightness, and motive. We made our previous positions known to UPN and others, and exactly the reasons why those positions existed, and moved forward from there. You, on the other hand, continued to have the manipulation skills of a house plant. People know what you and yours are doing at all times, no matter how many smiles you make to their face, and they have for months and months. All the way through your lucky last war, people were watching your moves and shaking their heads as you set yourselves up for this. You are, and always have been, more obvious then you will ever actually realize. Particularly when you query people and try to plant this idea or that. In all honesty and completely without exaggeration I can tell you that people from all over the game share the logs of your query attempts in back rooms and say things like "does he seriously think this will work?". It doesn't gain you anything, and for the life of me I will never understand why you continue to do it. 

 

Learn from this, I implore you. This is TS's opportunity to turn over a new leaf and rescue their reputation. Stop masking your ambitions because everyone has seen through it for a while now, don't make up excuses for what you want and why you want it, and stop with the attempts at manipulation. TS will be a better alliance for it in the long run.

 

Good luck in the war.

 

I think that we have at this point endured enough smearing, manipulation and deceit from you and yours, Impero. So very well. I will speak publically, as attempts at privately solving this will probably be misconstrued as 'manipulation'.

 

When the leaks occurred, I readily admitted my mistakes and what part I played in the deterioration between tS and VE relations. You placed extreme pressure on tS at the time, in order to force government change over and have me removed from office. Your rationale was that - putting any VE concerns regarding tS aside - UPN was pissed to the point where they were actively looking to roll tS, and that UPN was pushing for my resignation. You claimed that despite 'my conduct', tS was a brother alliance to you and VE, and that you would stand by tS, provided that we 'made things right (referring too my resignation). You also ensured us that you were doing all you could to keep tS (and Paragon) from being rolled by Covenant. A notion that has always piqued my curiosity given the balance of power at the time. The only way for Covenant to roll us, would have been if any component on our side were to sit out. In any other scenario, it would still have been a win. 

 

The matter of your request for my resignation was posed to our members at large, in as neutral a fashion as possible, by our IA staff. The prevailing sentiment was a disdain for the audacity of your attempt to interfere in Syndicate internal affairs. Upon receiving the news that I would refuse to resign, you entered in some dialogue with me concerning the problems surrounding our personal interactions. Again, I made an attempt at reconciling. Following those discussions, we reached a preliminary consensus of attempting to work together again. Our members were at the time heavily involved in internal discussions on whether to remain in Paragon, or move away. This was communicated to you. You voiced desire to address our members, and we happily obliged.

 

The very thread which you created in the embassy on our forums ended up being a large factor in tS' decision to, despite the preliminary agreement, break away. Our government collectively refrained from commenting in the thread for an extensive period, to allow our members to ask their own questions and make up their own mind, based on what answers and statements they received from you. Your address turned out to be a thinly veiled attempt at discrediting me- a tS government official at the time- in front of the tS' member base. Our member picked up on it near immediately, and the damage was done.

 

Following our cancellation, we have been in your crosshairs continuously. That much is fact. We have had ample reason to believe, based on our interactions with VE, that you first began moving against tS the moment you saw the leaks. Our most damning proof comes in the form of the following logs between Ole (UPN) and myself. The logs refer to the period between the leaks, and our cancellation:

 

1<Partisan> I don't know how much you got from it at the time

01<Partisan> but- was UPN pressuring VE to make me resign?

01<Partisan> And were you threatening re: war?

<Ole[uPN]> not at first 

01<Partisan> Who brought it up first, do you know that?

<Ole[uPN]> VE

<Ole[uPN]> as far as i know

<Ole[uPN]> i mean day 3 they offerd us you guys 

<Ole[uPN]> as in You can roll tS and we are cool?

<Ole[uPN]> i dont have any of those logs as it was Hans who deals mostly with VE 

<Ole[uPN]> but yeah, i mean they also offerd us Vanguard if we'd promiss not to join Mensa

01<Partisan> LOL

01<Partisan> Yeah I figured as much

<Ole[uPN]> As in If we dont save Vanguard will UPN stop mensa from attacking anymore

01<Partisan> I never got the logs on that but we were p. much certain that VE was screwing us over

<Ole[uPN]> VE imo is the shittyest ally at this point

 

 

Piecing the pieces together: During the period when the leaks had just occurred, and we were attempting to work matters out, VE (Impero) made a variety of claims regarding tS" being a 'brother alliance', and pushed for my resignation on the premise that UPN was on the verge of rolling us. They leveraged this premise to add pressure on tS, in hopes of forcing govt changeover which would inevitably favor VE. The logs with Ole clearly state that this was not the case. That VE brought my resignation up to them, and that VE offered tS to the wolves while negotiations were ongoing. 

 

Following our cancellation, we received continuous reports of your attempts at coalition building against us, and your considerations of rolling us. We allied Mensa and consolidated our position. Simultaneously we prepared for the worst. When Mensa HQ came to us about Rose, we were placed in front of the dilemma of pulling the trigger on our ex-allies, many of whom we do hold in high regard (To date, I fully believe that the gross of VE leadership and members has not had anything to do with events that occurred). These ex-allies unfortunately posed an existential threat to tS, as has been proven time and time again. These ex-allies have manipulated where they could, with a degree of success.

 

This played a large factor in tS' decision to support the war.

 

As can be attested, tS took the exact same stance as UPN in the war: If Mensa were to be hit, tS would counter. We opted not to go in first-wave, as we felt that despite our grievances, it was not our war. It was Mensa and Rose's war. A conscious (strategic) decision was made to engage in a pre-emptive strike on tS. We fought and attempted to leave it on the battlefield. To an extent, this worked: I believe tS relations with our direct opponent at the time in Rose are once again amiable enough.

 

We have, since the war ended, made it explicitly clear to anyone, that tS had no intention of mounting an aggressive war against either Paragon, or UPN. This was relayed to representatives of both blocs, before any imminent threat of war was on the horizon.

 

Solidifying ties with alliances with whom tS has been naturally close for a long period does not equal a threat. 

 

Now, we are perfectly fine with the Casus Belli provided by UPN. While we would have preferred taking a more peaceful path, we recognize UPN's right to declare, as much as anyone else's. We do wish UPN the best. 

 

I will however, categorically deny the various misconceptions surrounding the role both tS and VE have played on the geopolitical stage since the moment the leaks occurred.

 

If your 'imploring' of me, for the sake of tS, which you claim to 'have a soft spot for' were anywhere close to genuine, you would attempt, or have attempted, to speak to any Syndicate government member (even if not me) privately about this. Instead, your post serves as a callout, and a weak ad hominem attack, made in a short-sighted attempt to deflect my argument and draw attention away from your lies being relayed. 

[Charles Bolivar]

I'm sure in 8 weeks an alliance can rebuild and prepare again, so idk where you are goin with that

Did you see the war between ourselves and Rose? It wasn't the usual sort of war you lot are used to in terms of damage. As members of Rose will attest, it was a far more destructive war in general than the usual conflicts around here.

Edited October 17, 2015 by Charles the Tyrant

[Prefonteen]

You mean the wars we had no reason to fight.Unless you missed the politics part of the game.ALLIANCE'S DON'T GO TO WAR FOR NO REASON

 

So why did SK get hit then?

[Eumirbago]

I'm sure in 8 weeks an alliance can rebuild and prepare again, so idk where you are goin with that

 

You really think we can raise ~750m again without membership being pissed in 8 weeks? Have you been in a war?

[Alataq]

I don't really know what this is supposed to mean but I'm sure it is an insult against t$ military. If you think we weren't ready for this war it is probably because we were coming off of fighting Rose a month about 8 weeks ago.

Is this really your excuse? People can get prepared after about 1 1/2 months. Considering the fact that some of the damage was rolled back anyway

[Eumirbago]

Is this really your excuse? People can get prepared after about 1 1/2 months. Considering the fact that some of the damage was rolled back anyway

 

lolnou. go buy ~80 thousand of each resource in 1 and half months. Let alone have enough resources individually to survive.