Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Yay! Love the market guys! Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pax Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 this isn't as bad a DoW as people are making it out to be, pretty straight to the point. I'm a bit surprised to see TEst being attacked as well, I was only expecting you to hit tS and those allied to them <+JohnHarms> We need more feminists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) When the leaks happened, you, Saru and I had a private conversation about the matter. You grieved about the manner in which the $yndicate plays politics. It is amusing to see your willingness to devolve into the very style of politics which you find so reprehensible, when given the opportunity to do so. We are much alike, after all. That is not necessarily a slight, but it is an observation that will alter the manner in which I will approach you in future interactions. One small factual correction must be made: Paragon as an entity was your rival. This was a rational assessment made by Paragon top government as a whole, following our formation, and was primarily based on the natural rivalry that was likely to develop between our blocs by virtue of us being the only powerclusters left. VE and Rose were both equally on board with the prospect of fighting the Covenant, as tS was. Ole is in posession of logs that prove this claim. The prime gripe of VE with a war on UPN was the order in which to move, and the methods to be used. Specifically: - tS wished to work with Arrgh and TEst, as outlined in the leaked plans - VE wished to target TEst either alongside UPN, or prior to targeting UPN (making it two successive wars). This too, was readily apparent in the logs which your own government (Ole) has seen. You made a conscious decision to turn us into a long-term rival following the leaks, and to ally the entente despite its equal willingness to attack you. Attempts at normalizing relations were made on tS' part, but fell in vain. We are your rival by virtue of existing at this point. We are at peace with that, and it is good to know where we stand. It is too late for reconciliation now. I will be happy to revisit these topics once all is said and done. Perhaps we can find common ground one day. Perhaps not. Time will tell. I'll be honest with you because I still have a soft spot for TS. The difference, Partisan, is one of honesty, forthrightness, and motive. We made our previous positions known to UPN and others, and exactly the reasons why those positions existed, and moved forward from there. You, on the other hand, continued to have the manipulation skills of a house plant. People know what you and yours are doing at all times, no matter how many smiles you make to their face, and they have for months and months. All the way through your lucky last war, people were watching your moves and shaking their heads as you set yourselves up for this. You are, and always have been, more obvious then you will ever actually realize. Particularly when you query people and try to plant this idea or that. In all honesty and completely without exaggeration I can tell you that people from all over the game share the logs of your query attempts in back rooms and say things like "does he seriously think this will work?". It doesn't gain you anything, and for the life of me I will never understand why you continue to do it. Learn from this, I implore you. This is TS's opportunity to turn over a new leaf and rescue their reputation. Stop masking your ambitions because everyone has seen through it for a while now, don't make up excuses for what you want and why you want it, and stop with the attempts at manipulation. TS will be a better alliance for it in the long run. Good luck in the war. Edited October 16, 2015 by Impero Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codonian Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Go get em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisha Greyjoy Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Given that tS is less then half the size of UPN with less then about a third of the members, I'm not sure how tS was a clear and present threat to UPN. Edit: Checked some stats, UPN has more score then SK, TeST, and tS combined. Edited October 16, 2015 by Aisha Greyjoy 5 Duke of House Greyjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Given that tS is less then half the size of UPN with less then about a third of the members, I'm not sure how tS was a clear and present threat to UPN. inb4 "2nd war of debatable aggression" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Bagel Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 This is TS's opportunity to turn over a new leaf and rescue their reputation. Not to seem arrogant, but rescue our reputation from what? From my own anecdotal evidence most people seem to like t$. Few, if any, seem to hate us and it seems like many people like us a fair amount. I know that our alliances have gone through a rough patch in our relationship these last few months, but it seems like VE is harboring most of the ill-will towards the syndicate. 1 <&Partisan> I'm roleplaying a not snake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Not to seem arrogant, but rescue our reputation from what? From my own anecdotal evidence most people seem to like t$. Few, if any, seem to hate us and it seems like many people like us a fair amount. I know that our alliances have gone through a rough patch in our relationship these last few months, but it seems like VE is harboring most of the ill-will towards the syndicate. You may want to check your war screen. Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Boony Posted October 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'll be honest with you because I still have a soft spot for TS. The difference, Partisan, is one of honesty, forthrightness, and motive. We made our previous positions known to UPN and others, and exactly the reasons why those positions existed, and moved forward from there. You, on the other hand, continued to have the manipulation skills of a house plant. People know what you and yours are doing at all times, no matter how many smiles you make to their face, and they have for months and months. All the way through your lucky last war, people were watching your moves and shaking their heads as you set yourselves up for this. You are, and always have been, more obvious then you will ever actually realize. Particularly when you query people and try to plant this idea or that. In all honesty and completely without exaggeration I can tell you that people from all over the game share the logs of your query attempts in back rooms and say things like "does he seriously think this will work?". It doesn't gain you anything, and for the life of me I will never understand why you continue to do it. Learn from this, I implore you. This is TS's opportunity to turn over a new leaf and rescue their reputation. Stop masking your ambitions because everyone has seen through it for a while now, don't make up excuses for what you want and why you want it, and stop with the attempts at manipulation. TS will be a better alliance for it in the long run. Good luck in the war. Hush Impero. Real alliances are fighting. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Mannax Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Nothing like "The Syndicate is our rival" for a casus belli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Spooner Posted October 16, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted October 16, 2015 Impero -- do you seriously think the VE is well-liked compared to tS? It's telling that quite a few alliances in this game rolled you guys on a whim a few months ago. Even your allies didn't care at the time. Afterwards, you choose to ride the coattails of the new #1 with a MDP, begging for the scraps that you once held. It's rather sad, really. I wish you guys were a better alliance, I really do, but you're just not. VE is nothing more than an over-inflated (both in score & ego) home for the inactives of this game. 8 ☾☆ High Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Impero -- do you seriously think the VE is well-liked compared to tS? It's telling that quite a few alliances in this game rolled you guys on a whim a few months ago. Even your allies didn't care at the time. Afterwards, you choose to ride the coattails of the new #1 with a MDP, begging for the scraps that you once held. It's rather sad, really. I wish you guys were a better alliance, I really do, but you're just not. VE is nothing more than an over-inflated (both in score & ego) home for the inactives of this game. I'll help Impero out with his reply here: "Check the war screen" 1 Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'll help Impero out with his reply here: "Check the war screen" I did, what was I supposed to see? ☾☆ Warrior of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helga Hufflepuff Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2vLwnQ0n98 Edited October 16, 2015 by Cuzzelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diocletian Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Impero -- do you seriously think the VE is well-liked compared to tS? It's telling that quite a few alliances in this game rolled you guys on a whim a few months ago. Even your allies didn't care at the time. Afterwards, you choose to ride the coattails of the new #1 with a MDP, begging for the scraps that you once held. It's rather sad, really. I wish you guys were a better alliance, I really do, but you're just not. VE is nothing more than an over-inflated (both in score & ego) home for the inactives of this game. That's hilarious, and so are the days of our....erm, that's life. What's more- that a few Mensa members rather conveniently forget they're not too well liked here on Orbis either. The game became a Celebrity Apprentice-style popularity contest when exactly? Time changes everything consistently, and the political scene changes just as frequently. As for getting rolled, shit man it's far more surprising anyone still uses that as a claim to fame. We've moved on and are focusing far more on the present and future. You should consider it too. We worked hard for that "ego" you speak of too Syrup, putting the time, effort and ambition into turning VE into a pivotal player on the world stage within a mere two months after transitioning here. As for inactives, they're routinely kicked from the alliance. The jealousy of your closing sentence is telling as well! 1 "The happiness of the people, and the peace of the empire, and the glory of the reign are linked with the fortune of the Army." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldie Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 You'd be wrong. All 4 alliances, EoS included, were top 10. We aren't talking about top 10, we're talking about top 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isolatar Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 You suck JohnHarms. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spooner Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) That's hilarious, and so are the days of our....erm, that's life. What's more- that a few Mensa members rather conveniently forget they're not too well liked here on Orbis either. The game became a Celebrity Apprentice-style popularity contest when exactly? Time changes everything consistently, and the political scene changes just as frequently. As for getting rolled, shit man it's far more surprising anyone still uses that as a claim to fame. We've moved on and are focusing far more on the present and future. You should consider it too. We worked hard for that "ego" you speak of too Syrup, putting the time, effort and ambition into turning VE into a pivotal player on the world stage within a mere two months after transitioning here. As for inactives, they're routinely kicked from the alliance. The jealousy of your closing sentence is telling as well! Did I claim that MENSA was well liked? No. Frankly, we have no strong desire to be well-liked. If we were to be well-liked by the likes of VE or BoC, frankly we would be doing something drastically wrong. The only reason I brought up the fact that VE is generally disliked is due to your massive ego combined with Impero's claim that tS wouldn't be getting rolled if they were more likable is laughable considering you guys were rolled a month or two ago for that exact same reason. As far as "inactives are routinely kicked from the alliance", alright then, kick them: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=8330 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=11052 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=12512 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=13593 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=10231 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=18254 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=25024 Edited October 16, 2015 by Syrup ☾☆ High Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Fifths Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Did I claim that MENSA was well liked? No. Frankly, we have no strong desire to be well-liked. If we were to be well-liked by the likes of VE or BoC, frankly we would be doing something drastically wrong. The only reason I brought up the fact that VE is generally disliked is due to your massive ego combined with Impero's claim that tS wouldn't be getting rolled if they were more likable is laughable considering you guys were rolled a month or two ago for that exact same reason. As far as "inactives are routinely kicked from the alliance", alright then, kick them: https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=8330 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=11052 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=12512 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=13593 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=10231 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=18254 https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=25024 *takes notes* arrgh! 3 "In an honest service there is thin commons, low wages, and hard labor; in this, plenty and satiety, pleasure and ease, liberty and power; and who would not balance creditor on this side, when all the hazard that is run for it, at worst, is only a sour look or two at choking. No, a merry life and a short one, shall be my motto." - Bartholomew "Black Bart" Roberts Green Enforcement Agency will rise again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 @Impero It's surprising that you'd forget how many alliances jumped at the chance of hitting VE during the last war, you seem to be pretty good at harboring grudges otherwise. I fought with VE, Rose and all the rest against t$, Mensa, Guardian and SK during my first war in this game, and I used to have a good opinion of VE. But ever since then, you've done one hell of a job of tearing apart any shred of respect I (and many others) have held for you as an alliance. Some people might have a poor opinion of t$, but you guys aren't exactly winning any popularity contests either. I think it's a damn shame things ended up the way they are between our alliances, but I won't lose any sleep over it. Good luck to everyone in the war, may all your warriors find their way to Valhalla. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) The difference, Partisan, is one of honesty, forthrightness, and motive. We made our previous positions known to UPN and others, and exactly the reasons why those positions existed, and moved forward from there. You, on the other hand, continued to have the manipulation skills of a house plant. PeopYou're right. Partisan's honest, forthrightly motive was unfortunately no match for your better-than-houseplant manipulation skills. Congratulations VE on this one. My most sincere regrets to UPN, but it is good to see you actually doing something. Edit: Seriously, houseplants are some of the coolest people I know. Edited October 16, 2015 by Wilhelm the Demented 2 One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenodolf Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 and.. as the world turns *soapie music plays in the background* 1 - Anarkhist leader of the Svøbødnäyä Tęrritøriyä Groznyj Grad - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doktor Avalanche Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 and.. as the world turns *soapie music plays in the background*Or do you mean- Like Sands through the Hourglass... So are the Days of Our Lives... 2 Beer. Damn Good Beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 We aren't talking about top 10, we're talking about top 5. EoS, UPN, and VoC were all top 5, BoC was like #9 or #10. It doesn't matter where they were at this point in the game, as rankings in score were much closer in the beginning, so top 5 now is like top 10 then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betulius Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 a Statment from Hansarius and the United Purple Nations ... *Statement Dec 26 18:48:22 <JacobH[Arrgh]> God your worse the grealind >.> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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