Jeremy Corbyn elected Labour leader

[Dan77]

This is a big development in British Politics.  Personally I'm in favour of a Corbyn lead Labour party as Labour have been far too Tory Lite in recent times.  I think they pulled it off well under Blairs leadership but as soon as he left the party went into decline.

 

Now for a 2 party state with some greater differences between the parties.  The members have spoken, I just hope the MP's listen.

 

This can also only be a good thing for Labour in Scotland.  If Labour are to win a general election, they need to win Scottish seats back.

 

Of course many believe that this will lose middle England voters and there may be some truth in that.

 

Also, hilarious ragequit from a self-promoting shadow minister.

@jreedmp

Good Riddance!

[Karrde]

I voted for Yvette Cooper personally, I'm pro nato, pro trident, pro socialism, so not as far left as corbyn or particularly close.

 

Fascinating times though, he got nearly 60% of the vote!

 

I really hope he doesn't alienate business and moderate voters too much...

[Rozalia]

One step closer to putting Tony Blair in jail. Bloody hell, might well be one step closer to no more monarchy!

 

Even if Corbyn doesn't become PM, wiping out the third way infiltrators in Labour would be enough of a legacy. I assume half of them will as you say "ragequit" or try and breakaway (failing miserably), while the other half the Sycophants they are will suddenly be "converted" to the left wing. 

 

Diane Abbot, Dennis Skinner, Tom Watson, John McDonnell... who else is likely for a shadow cabinet? 

Edited September 12, 2015 by Rozalia

[Dan77]

LOL

 

Skinner in cabinet?  I can't see it.  The guy is entertaining but surely nobody is mad enough to give him a cabinet position, even shadow cabinet.  I think we'll see a few moderates in the shadow cabinet.  People who will sign up to Corbyn's policies in certain areas whilst keeping support of a lot of the MP's.  Dianne Abbot is a good shout - black and a woman - if only she was gay too, we could tick another box for diversity!

 

Disappointing to see Chuka Umunna resign.  Maybe Andy Burnham will get a position?  Might depend on whether there is any real bad blood between the two from the campaign.  Surely someone who opposed him in the campaign is going to have the decency to stand up and work with him for the good of the party (and of course their own career).  There seem to be a lot of big names burning some bridges right now which will give others opportunities they couldn't have dreamed of.

[Rozalia]

LOL

 

Skinner in cabinet?  I can't see it.  The guy is entertaining but surely nobody is mad enough to give him a cabinet position, even shadow cabinet.  I think we'll see a few moderates in the shadow cabinet.  People who will sign up to Corbyn's policies in certain areas whilst keeping support of a lot of the MP's.  Dianne Abbot is a good shout - black and a woman - if only she was gay too, we could tick another box for diversity!

 

Disappointing to see Chuka Umunna resign.  Maybe Andy Burnham will get a position?  Might depend on whether there is any real bad blood between the two from the campaign.  Surely someone who opposed him in the campaign is going to have the decency to stand up and work with him for the good of the party (and of course their own career).  There seem to be a lot of big names burning some bridges right now which will give others opportunities they couldn't have dreamed of.

 

The Beast of Bolsover from what I remember reading in the past has been invited to the shadow cabinet before but refused. Corbyn I think could convince him due to you know, actually being left wing, which would be a great boon for Corbyn because whatever trite insults the Tories throw, Skinner is a very popular MP who people see as real, committed, and honest. He is also committed to the cause and a republican so he fits in well with Corbyn. 

 

Dianne Abbot has had her gaffes in the past but all round she would be considered a good choice. As a bonus she no longer has to try to somehow defend Blairite policy anymore under Corbyn so she'll come off a bit more competent.

 

David Lammy was a guy I forget, he'd be considered I think (though considering how little Corbyn has to choose from he sort of has to consider anybody).

 

I know it sounds crazy... but it could be possible for Corbyn to do the unthinkable and bring back "Gorgeous" George Galloway. Firm left winger who shares many views of Corbyn, an expert at tearing people to shreds, and extremely popular among Muslims and the young. 

 

Chuka Umunna reminds me much of David Miliband, a plastic Blairite who tried to position himself as the "heir to Blair" if you will. He tried to make a play and botched it, and now he may well be finished as the politics he has got behind are seen as a "cancer" on his party. Expect him to pack up and move to America at some point would be my predication. 

Speaking of Miliband... it might be possible for Ed? Unlikely, but no longer having to appease the Blairites he might come off better now.

 

Burnham is likely in with a shot especially as the other two outright refused. Burnham strikes me as sycophant so he'll be obedient in any role Corbyn gives him. 

Edited September 12, 2015 by Rozalia

[Dan77]

Burnham is likely in with a shot especially as the other two outright refused. Burnham strikes me as sycophant so he'll be obedient in any role Corbyn gives him. 

 

Yeah.  I think he's the one least likely to burn his bridges, particularly with such a heavy mandate from the members.  He'll want to be well positioned for next time.  He's a career politician and will do what he can to protect himself and his opportunities.

[Rozalia]

Yeah.  I think he's the one least likely to burn his bridges, particularly with such a heavy mandate from the members.  He'll want to be well positioned for next time.  He's a career politician and will do what he can to protect himself and his opportunities.

 

Outside the token shots expected of him he did try to avoid attacking Corbyn too much for just this situation I think. However, if he thinks he'll ever reach Opposition leader/PM then he will be severely disappointed. For all the media talked him up as the one with the most "aptitude" or "look" to be PM... I heavily disagree and think he is much worse suited for such a role then everyone he was competing against. 

[Robert Ap Ioan]

I am pleased with this result on one hand and disappointed on the other hand. I am pleased for Labour because I think Jeremy Corbyn has the skills to appeal to a lot of people who have felt disenchanted with Labour over the last decade. I am disappointed as it will make it much more difficult for the party I am a member of to gain votes in the coming elections - this of course is dependent on Jeremy Corbyn being able to keep his party together.

[Dan77]

I am pleased with this result on one hand and disappointed on the other hand. I am pleased for Labour because I think Jeremy Corbyn has the skills to appeal to a lot of people who have felt disenchanted with Labour over the last decade. I am disappointed as it will make it much more difficult for the party I am a member of to gain votes in the coming elections - this of course is dependent on Jeremy Corbyn being able to keep his party together.

 

I think it's probably true that it will be more difficult for the party to get votes in England.  It's by no means definite though as the party will probably pick up some voters who used to vote Liberal or have moved away from Labour as they moved to the right.

 

I think the potential effect in Scotland is more significant though.  Without a change like this, the Labour party in Scotland was completely destroyed and it was only going to get worse.  I'm not saying this is a silver bullet to fix that but it can only help the situation.  Scotland is clearly leftist and they have been increasingly disillusioned by New Labour and rightly so really.  This is a genuine opportunity to regain a foothold in Scotland but it will require Labour to treat the Scottish with far more respect than they have done in the past 15 years or so.  Time to back up some of the promises from the no campaign.

[Robert Ap Ioan]

I am interested to find out how this will impact on the rise of UKIP. Alas my party is only active in one country so we need all the votes we can get!

[Rozalia]

I think it's probably true that it will be more difficult for the party to get votes in England.  It's by no means definite though as the party will probably pick up some voters who used to vote Liberal or have moved away from Labour as they moved to the right.

 

I think the potential effect in Scotland is more significant though.  Without a change like this, the Labour party in Scotland was completely destroyed and it was only going to get worse.  I'm not saying this is a silver bullet to fix that but it can only help the situation.  Scotland is clearly leftist and they have been increasingly disillusioned by New Labour and rightly so really.  This is a genuine opportunity to regain a foothold in Scotland but it will require Labour to treat the Scottish with far more respect than they have done in the past 15 years or so.  Time to back up some of the promises from the no campaign.

 

Biggest plus for Labour in Scotland is Corbyn isn't against nations leaving the union. Not something I agree with of course (utterly reject it), but the Scottish may well find getting their "independence" is more likely if they vote Labour under Corbyn than the SNP. SNP can't be happy privately with Corbyn winning I'd think because if the SNP slips up now and Corbyn remains steady they could well have all their recent gains reversed. 

 

I am interested to find out how this will impact on the rise of UKIP. Alas my party is only active in one country so we need all the votes we can get!

 

UKIP are in a difficult spot on how to handle Corbyn and will likely leave the mud slinging to the Tories/media. Corbyn unlike the other labour candidates has the potential to steal a lot of UKIP's voters... of course how UKIP do will really be decided on the EU referendum so not much use caring about Corbyn right now. If Cameron scraps it or ignores it when given the obvious result then we may well then be in for PM Farage.

[Robert Ap Ioan]

If Cameron scraps it or ignores it when given the obvious result then we may well then be in for PM Farage.

 

*Shudder*

[Rozalia]

*Shudder*

 

Reason why UKIP whatever their faults or amount of seats have achieved what they set out to do. The voting coming out against Europe seems inevitable at this point so if Cameron accepts it then Britain leaves and UKIP wins in it's cause. Cameron refuses to follow the vote result and the likely result would be a UKIP landslide which will of course lead to Britain leaving the EU. I almost want Cameron to do it just so we can bare witness to the most spectacular victory in British politics. 

[Robert Ap Ioan]

A victory that would be disastrous for the UK

[stetonic]

Corbyn is a dinosaur who wants to take the uk back to the 1970's.National railways,National power and the reopening of coal mines.He only won on LOL votes £3 to become a member and vote for him.Someone even used there cat to register and vote for him.

 

Plus leave our NUKES alone dumb !@#$ 

[Rozalia]

A victory that would be disastrous for the UK

 

It'd change politics completely that much is certain. 

 

Corbyn is a dinosaur who wants to take the uk back to the 1970's.National railways,National power and the reopening of coal mines.He only won on LOL votes £3 to become a member and vote for him.Someone even used there cat to register and vote for him.

 

Plus leave our NUKES alone dumb !@#$ 

 

Railways, power, and so on are just cartels out to squeeze people dry. The state crushing them is no bad thing as such things fundamentally should be under the state's stewardship. 

 

As for nukes... you are aware they're reliant on America for that right? The pro trident camp should really switch their views to having Britain go it alone on the nuke front instead. I'm aware it's considered "illegal" and all that but it's never stopped Britain before. I'd be for that myself, however Trident is a bad joke. 

[Dan77]

Corbyn is a dinosaur who wants to take the uk back to the 1970's.National railways,National power and the reopening of coal mines.He only won on LOL votes £3 to become a member and vote for him.Someone even used there cat to register and vote for him.

 

Plus leave our NUKES alone dumb !@#$ 

 

60% is not LOL votes.  He won by a landslide.

 

Also, when are we actually going to use our nukes?  Why do we need them?  Total waste of money.  We can't use them without USA permission and they have 7,000 of them compared to our 250 or so.  Might as well get them to use theirs.  Even France has more than us.  Plus if we ever fired any, we'd be dead.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Dan77

[stetonic]

60% is not LOL votes.  He won by a landslide.

 

Also, when are we actually going to use our nukes?  Why do we need them?  Total waste of money.  We can't use them without USA permission and they have 7,000 of them compared to our 250 or so.  Might as well get them to use theirs.  Even France has more than us.  Plus if we ever fired any, we'd be dead.

 

You are wrong about the nukes.We do not need anyone's permission to fire them.They can be fired by direct order of the prime minister

 

The warheads are also made by the uk while the missile is leased from the us

[stetonic]

It'd change politics completely that much is certain. 

 

 

Railways, power, and so on are just cartels out to squeeze people dry. The state crushing them is no bad thing as such things fundamentally should be under the state's stewardship. 

 

As for nukes... you are aware they're reliant on America for that right? The pro trident camp should really switch their views to having Britain go it alone on the nuke front instead. I'm aware it's considered "illegal" and all that but it's never stopped Britain before. I'd be for that myself, however Trident is a bad joke. 

 

Having power and rail owned by lots of companies is designed to give the consumer a better choice if all power was owned by the gov they control the price

 

I would be all for that if it was sold to me at cost and they make no profit but they wont as they have a trillion pound debt to pay off

[Dan77]

Having power and rail owned by lots of companies is designed to give the consumer a better choice if all power was owned by the gov they control the price

 

I would be all for that if it was sold to me at cost and they make no profit but they wont as they have a trillion pound debt to pay off

 

They subsidise it NOW without even owning it!  With that being the case, quite why you think they'd profiteer off it I don't know.  Companies are making massive profits and paying dividends to shareholders while the taxpayer is still paying.  Anyway, Jeremy will just print more money

[stetonic]

It dont really matter who is in power they all lie to get there.Then screw everyone over until the next election then they lie some more and screw everyone again and we keep on doing it over and over coz there is no other option

[Rozalia]

You are wrong about the nukes.We do not need anyone's permission to fire them.They can be fired by direct order of the prime minister

 

The warheads are also made by the uk while the missile is leased from the us

 

Then they are dependent on America, thus not independent, thus pointless. 

 

Having power and rail owned by lots of companies is designed to give the consumer a better choice if all power was owned by the gov they control the price

 

I would be all for that if it was sold to me at cost and they make no profit but they wont as they have a trillion pound debt to pay off

 

Except like I said they are just cartels. Cartels are not a good thing and do not "give a better choice" per their design. Also as Dan says, the government has to subsidise it anyway which considering government owned companies have shown more then fit for the job makes it an even bigger joke.

 

It dont really matter who is in power they all lie to get there.Then screw everyone over until the next election then they lie some more and screw everyone again and we keep on doing it over and over coz there is no other option

 

That is how the third way (Blairites and conservatives supporting Cameron) do things yes. However a true socialist or conservative doesn't suffer from that aspect of politics as much. That and Corbyn has promoted these sort of things for decades while never once making a bid for power until he won now so you can't really doubt that he believes what he says, and he'll do what he says he'll do. 

Edited September 12, 2015 by Rozalia

[stetonic]

Well only time will tell but power does funny things to people and once they get a taste.They will say and do anything to keep that power and the way the uk voting system works you only have to get your bullshit past so many people to gain power

[Rozalia]

Well only time will tell but power does funny things to people and once they get a taste.They will say and do anything to keep that power and the way the uk voting system works you only have to get your bullshit past so many people to gain power

 

Corbyn is promoting what many see as suicidal, though that is more due to them being scared he'll actually win then it making him unelectable. If he wanted power he could have become one of Blair's puppets at any point, he didn't and continued to belong to the minority of MPs who still believed in the left wing. 

[Robert Ap Ioan]

Corbyn winning is going to give Mr Blair and Mr Murdoch something to think about, both stand to lose if Mr Corbyn pushes his plans into action. Blair hopefully will have hard questions to answer and Mr Watson will surely want to right some wrongs.

Edited September 12, 2015 by Rob Ap Ioan