7/18/2015 - Alliance Banks & Looting

[Alex]

A few brief changes here just so you're all aware:

 

1. Alliance Bank Looting Has Been Re-Enabled

I've found the cause of the issue, and fixed it. There should be no problems with alliance banks resetting in the future.

 

2. Defeating a Nation Looting

When you defeat a nation, you get to loot some extra money and resources. I've changed how this works a little bit. Previously, you looted the following from a nation when you defeated it:

 

• 15% of Iron or Bauxite
• 5% of Coal or Oil
• 20% of Food
• 12% of Cash

I've changed this so that instead of looting basic raw resources dependent on what continent your opponent is on, you instead target manufactured resources. I also decreased the cash loot by 2%. Here's the new take:

 

• 5% of Aluminum
• 5% of Steel
• 5% of Gasoline
• 5% of Munitions
• 20% of Food
• 10% of Cash

It just makes a little bit more sense, and will make this part of the game actually a bit more useful. If your opponent is sitting on some valuable resources, you now can take up to 5% of what he's got on hand when you win the war.

 

3. P&Wpedia

This is something I'm working on - It's going to be an informational resource available. I will be creating articles on a variety of topics that you can use as a reference for current, up to date information about the game. It should be a valuable tool for new players and old players alike. There's a link to it in the sidebar, I've replaced the old "Subreddit" link with P&Wpedia (since that subreddit is completely barren and unused). Not a lot in P&Wpedia yet - but eventually, there will be. Just thought I'd make everyone aware it exists.

 

That's it, a pretty quick update. Thanks everyone!

[Dan77]

All sounds good.

[Alataq]

\o

[Atzuya]

 

5% manufactured resources

Well dang... Now I can't stockpile 20k steel >_>

 

As long as the bank bug is fixed, I guess

[Boony]

This makes sense but it rubs me the wrong way.

oh well

[Dwemyrn]

2/10 would not bang.

[Saruman]

Sounds good, as usual.

[Prefontaine]

Why not make it so you can loot everything besides credits? Would also make spying more important if you could make it so you could choose what you steal? So you'd spy them before winning to know what stockpiles to hit?

[Ren]

So defeating a nation takes some manufactured resources from them and some raw resources from their alliance's bank?

[Atzuya]

If the bank looting formula hasn't changed, then it should be looting all resources by the same percentage

[Samdoo]

woot P&Wpedia...  looks like some fun times. Super excited for it. Hopefully other players can help you write some articles, Cause there is a lot to this game and plenty I know I still need to learn. 

[Diocletian]

Well,this will certainly help encourage raiders to step up their A-game. I like it, seems for once out of the last 3 updates at least this one is pretty cool.

 

Please don't allow entire stockpile looting Sheepy, that would clearly turn p&w into runescape or your average android game cash in. Not to mention the mass flock of people that'd rage quit from having entire stockpiles wiped out and thus their ability to properly conduct warfare.

[Bilal the Great]

This could change some things in wars, such as making stockpiling refined resource at large number less useful (and making the strategy of "warchest" from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) even more useless) and makes raiding more profitable, thus inciting more wars.

[Alex]

Well dang... Now I can't stockpile 20k steel >_>

 

As long as the bank bug is fixed, I guess

 

Sure you can! But if you get beiged, you'll lose 1,000 of it.

 

If the bank looting formula hasn't changed, then it should be looting all resources by the same percentage

 

You are correct. You still can loot additional manufactured resources, as well as raw resources, in the alliance bank loot.

[Peace and War]

Guess I'll never be able to loot 0.01 uranium from an alliance bank anymore....

[Alex]

Guess I'll never be able to loot 0.01 uranium from an alliance bank anymore....

 

..why not?

[HM Solomon I]

This just ensures that aggressors will always totally destroy their targets and thus make wars less interesting.  Aggressors already have a huge advantage in this game, which is good as it keeps the politics dynamic (people don't have as much of an incentive to wait for someone else to strike first), keeping alliance banks safe provides a counter-balance to this, which while not sufficient to overcome the advantage that aggressors have (and thus not sufficient to make politics stagnant) is enough to at least give defenders a fighting chance.

[Alex]

This just ensures that aggressors will always totally destroy their targets and thus make wars less interesting.  Aggressors already have a huge advantage in this game, which is good as it keeps the politics dynamic (people don't have as much of an incentive to wait for someone else to strike first), keeping alliance banks safe provides a counter-balance to this, which while not sufficient to overcome the advantage that aggressors have (and thus not sufficient to make politics stagnant) is enough to at least give defenders a fighting chance.

 

I disagree. Making alliance banks safe havens just means that no one will keep anything in their nations (because why risk it, you know?) which means that raiders aren't going to get anything when they attack people, which actually disincentives war and promotes a static, unchanging game. The idea of looting banks isn't intended to give raiders more of an advantage, it's just to prevent people from stockpiling their and having a "safe" that no one can touch.

[HM Solomon I]

I disagree. Making alliance banks safe havens just means that no one will keep anything in their nations (because why risk it, you know?) which means that raiders aren't going to get anything when they attack people, which actually disincentives war and promotes a static, unchanging game. The idea of looting banks isn't intended to give raiders more of an advantage, it's just to prevent people from stockpiling their and having a "safe" that no one can touch.

I wasn't talking about raiders, I was talking about the thing that actually drives the game: inter-alliance warfare.  Raiders have a comparably minuscule effect on how dynamic the game is.  Games become stagnant politically for two main reasons: lack of incentive to strike first (thus creating longer and longer periods of peace) and difficulty rebuilding (the harder it is too rebuild the longer periods of peace will be).  This game already takes care of the first one, but it hasn't yet solved for the second. 

[Boyd]

Nice & concise Sheepy,  thanks that's what I need.

[Ogaden]

Pirate Lord Ogaden of Ogaden achieved 6 consecutive ground battle immense triumphs resulting in the immediate surrender of The Fallen Vale. The Fallen Vale lost $10,000.00, 424.00 food, 0.00 iron, 0.00 bauxite, 0.00 coal, and 0.00 oil. The Fallen Vale was changed to the beige color.

 

 

 

 

Pirate Lord Ogaden of Ogaden achieved 6 consecutive ground battle immense triumphs resulting in the immediate surrender of Arnor. Arnor lost $10,000.00, 609.00 food, 0.00 iron, 0.00 bauxite, 0.00 coal, and 0.00 oil. Arnor was changed to the beige color.

 

Shouldn't that be steel, aluminum and munitions?  Also for some reason money loot is capped at 10 grand.

Edited July 20, 2015 by Ogaden

[Dwynn]

I've disabled the bank looting again as multiple reports have rolled in about bank resets.

[Ayayay]

I've disabled the bank looting again as multiple reports have rolled in about bank resets.

Has it been re-enabled yet?

[Dwynn]

Has it been re-enabled yet?

Yeah it was re-enabled same day.