Popular Post Saru Posted June 2, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Individual Surrender Terms for Nations of the Seven Kingdoms and Guardian In light of recent developments, and certain decisions that we deem to be mistakes, the allied forces have decided to extend individual surrender terms to the member nations of SK/Guardian. We feel that the members who have had little to do with this offensive war, and no longer wish to be held at war any longer as a consequence of the stubbornness and pride of their government members deserve an option of a way out on an individual level. Therefore I would like to announce that member nations of SK/Guardian will be granted peace upon agreement of the following conditions: -Change their alliance affiliation to “Allies POW†(https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=1501) -Decommission all Soldiers, Tanks, Aircraft, Navy, Missiles and Nuclear Weapons, and not re-militarising until the end of the conflict. -Agree to refrain from re-entering this conflict, which includes engaging in war or carrying out spy attacks. -Agree to not trade with members of SK/Guardian for the duration of the war. -They will post that they surrender and agree to the terms set out in this thread Exceptions in the cases of raids and such will be made upon our approval, and the AA will receive our protection for the duration of the war. I would also like to serve a reminder that anyone who abuses the individual surrender terms to gain a tactical advantage of some sort, will be dealt with appropriately and your next opportunity to exit the war will not be so swift and easy. For anyone who has any questions, feel free to message me, or any other government members of the allied forces. For clarification this a coalition wide announcement. Let the posts calling us out for our 'evil-ness' commence. Edited June 2, 2015 by Saru 7 Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 lol... Quote ☾☆ Warrior of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Are alliance leaders allowed these terms? Because these seem entirely contradictory to the reps demands. I mean the entire alliance could individually just accept these terms and they've got white peace. I Could understand it more if you gave them individual percentage of the reps as well. Edited June 2, 2015 by Phiney 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avruch Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 When I saw this I was thinking "Oh neat, they'll let individual nations truce out, and if they stay out they won't get hit again." But actually it's a move to try to destroy Guardian and SK from within. Starting to get real! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 When I saw this I was thinking "Oh neat, they'll let individual nations truce out, and if they stay out they won't get hit again." But actually it's a move to try to destroy Guardian and SK from within. Starting to get real! It's very similar to this http://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?/topic/5428-individual-surrender-terms-for-gpa-nations/?hl=surrender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Underwood Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Glad to see this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 Are alliance leaders allowed these terms? Because these seem entirely contradictory to the reps demands. I mean the entire alliance could individually just accept these terms and they've got white peace. I Could understand it more if you gave them individual percentage of the reps as well. Limited to member nations right now. But if there are members of government who wish to discuss exit on an individual level, then they are free to contact us. Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Baratheon Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 You sir, are the definition of evil-ness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadin Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Great terms. I suggest all Guardian members strongly consider taking these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 In the case of war with VE and ts, if we peace out, we are technically still at war with them. Will you fight against them if they attack guardian members in your as? Just a question. Not going to surrender any time soon. Quote "We pull in money, new recruits, all just to combat cipher, rubbing our noses in bloody battlefield dirt, all for revenge." "Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night i can feel my leg, and my arm, even my fingers. The body i've lost, The comrades i've lost, won't stop hurting... it's like they're all still there... You feel it too, don't you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 In the case of war with VE and ts, if we peace out, we are technically still at war with them. Will you fight against them if they attack guardian members in your as? Just a question. Not going to surrender any time soon. These terms are for all of us. If you surrender individually it counts for UPN, VE, tS, etc. Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 In the case of war with VE and ts, if we peace out, we are technically still at war with them. Will you fight against them if they attack guardian members in your as? Just a question. Not going to surrender any time soon. He states in the OP he speaks for all "allied forces" which I can only presume to be the VE crew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) If the individual surrender terms are basically white peace, what's preventing imperio and others from declaring white peace and getting this war over with? If you hold no ill towards the members and wish to not punish them, but still punish the alliance you are still punishing the members of that alliance. Edited June 2, 2015 by rrussell263 1 Quote "We pull in money, new recruits, all just to combat cipher, rubbing our noses in bloody battlefield dirt, all for revenge." "Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night i can feel my leg, and my arm, even my fingers. The body i've lost, The comrades i've lost, won't stop hurting... it's like they're all still there... You feel it too, don't you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 If the individual surrender terms are basically white peace, what's preventing imperio and others from declaring white peace and getting this war over with? These are for individual nations, I'm sure this Imperio fellow and the others draw a distinction between the two concepts. Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speaker Faris Wheeler Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 o/ UPN!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 Quote Peace will never be accomplished without war, but war cannot happen without peace.... or something like that idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) These are for individual nations, I'm sure this Imperio fellow and the others draw a distinction between the two concepts.Punishing the alliance and not punishing the members still punishes the members. It affects their growth, and their pride afterwards. By offering white peace to individuals you are seeking to destroy their alliance, by means of incentives to leave said alliance, by destroying that alliance's chances to rebuild. So in reality it's not white peace and nobody should think this is white peace for any nation that still wants to be in guardian. Instead it's a thinly veiled punishment. Edited June 2, 2015 by rrussell263 Quote "We pull in money, new recruits, all just to combat cipher, rubbing our noses in bloody battlefield dirt, all for revenge." "Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night i can feel my leg, and my arm, even my fingers. The body i've lost, The comrades i've lost, won't stop hurting... it's like they're all still there... You feel it too, don't you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Punishing the alliance and not punishing the members still punishes the members. It affects their growth, and their pride afterwards. By offering white peace to individuals you are seeking to destroy their alliance, by means of incentives to leave said alliance, by destroying that alliance's chances to rebuild. You're not getting white peace as an alliance. Stop it. Edited June 2, 2015 by Impero Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francis Underwood Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Punishing the alliance and not punishing the members still punishes the members. It affects their growth, and their pride afterwards. By offering white peace to individuals you are seeking to destroy their alliance, by means of incentives to leave said alliance, by destroying that alliance's chances to rebuild. No, by offering individual nations a way out individuals who disagree with the actions of their alliance can avoid further bleeding for them. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 You're not getting white peace. Stop it. We wouldn't anyways, so what's the point of surrendering to you? So you can destroy our alliance by offering the easy way out? To paint yourself as the good guys by saying "hey look we're offering white peace to members" when in reality you're destroying their tribe? Quote "We pull in money, new recruits, all just to combat cipher, rubbing our noses in bloody battlefield dirt, all for revenge." "Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night i can feel my leg, and my arm, even my fingers. The body i've lost, The comrades i've lost, won't stop hurting... it's like they're all still there... You feel it too, don't you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 No, by offering individual nations a way out individuals who disagree with the actions of their alliance can avoid further bleeding for them. What's a few million now that I've lost well over exponentially that in this war already? For some changes of ideology? You won't help me rebuild. Nobody but guardian would help us rebuild. So stop acting like you're on the morale high ground because by extension these people are still paying the reparations that you asked from the alliance in time and in growth. 1 Quote "We pull in money, new recruits, all just to combat cipher, rubbing our noses in bloody battlefield dirt, all for revenge." "Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night i can feel my leg, and my arm, even my fingers. The body i've lost, The comrades i've lost, won't stop hurting... it's like they're all still there... You feel it too, don't you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) We wouldn't anyways, so what's the point of surrendering to you? So you can destroy our alliance by offering the easy way out? To paint yourself as the good guys by saying "hey look we're offering white peace to members" when in reality you're destroying their tribe? So you don't want to surrender I take it? Edited June 2, 2015 by Impero Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrde Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 As a new person trying to understand the way things work, I wonder if you would indulge a question: Why do the nations that surrender need to leave their alliance and join the PoW one? Would a list of names suffice or am I missing some mechanics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwynn Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) So you guys waited until 3 rounds in before allowing individual surrender terms? Class. Act. Considering how much whining you guys did about the length of previous wars.... As a new person trying to understand the way things work, I wonder if you would indulge a question: Why do the nations that surrender need to leave their alliance and join the PoW one? Would a list of names suffice or am I missing some mechanics? It's meant to weaken the opponent and reduce morale. Edited June 2, 2015 by Micheal Malone 4 Quote He's right, I'm such a stinker. Play my exceptional game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Boss Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 So you don't want to surrender then? Never did. Just wanted to point out your hypocrisy in neglecting to mention these people would still be paying reparations to you. 1 Quote "We pull in money, new recruits, all just to combat cipher, rubbing our noses in bloody battlefield dirt, all for revenge." "Why are we still here? Just to suffer? Every night i can feel my leg, and my arm, even my fingers. The body i've lost, The comrades i've lost, won't stop hurting... it's like they're all still there... You feel it too, don't you?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Impero Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) Class. Act. Considering how much whining you guys did about the length of previous wars.... We've never been in a previous war Malone, you guys pointed that out a lot before. Edited June 2, 2015 by Impero Quote Lord of the Viridian Entente Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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