Does Race Exist?

[James Gordon]

Race does exist, but is slowly being removed. Everyone has mixed or is getting to the point where there's introduction of other attributes. But why doesn't this matter? Because culture and money play a bigger role in determining success or "advancement." Some of the most "racially pure" cultures are stagnant and backwards. Same goes for some of the mixed cultures as well. Just look at isolated regions of the Slavic countries and the Middle East. Look at nations in Latin America and Asia.

 

Caucasian and Asian genes (whether the sole and primary, or a mixture) should obviously help them if race is such a factor, but it doesn't. They're backwards because of crappy government, weak and underdeveloped economies, and cultures that promote ideas that hold back the people.

 

Tl:dr, race is like a fun fact in someone's life. It gives them a background and description. Money and culture play a bigger role in shaping the person.

Agreed. Race is going away and it really is for the better. Eventually we can be Humans but in the mean time we need to solve race, find a religion we can agree on and a World Culture. All three will take another few hundred years.

 

I never understood the stigma of being a white nationalist, I'm a Hawaiian Nationalist, there are also black, arab, kurdish, Tibetan, Japanese nationalists.

I honestly don't either but I kinda do. People have to many stertips about Nationalists like the National Socialist stertips. But what people fail to realize is that like any ideology there is many levels of nationalist. Like I'm a Cultural Autarky Nationalist. While others are racial nationalists or political nationalists like modern American "Patriots".

 

Because white is an ethnic group created in the U.S. to stop European on European discrimination and violence.

The term white to describe Europeans is much older than the U.S. White has been used ever sense Egyptian Times, maybe earlier. Edited May 22, 2015 by James Gordon

[Kadin]

I never understood the stigma of being a white nationalist, I'm a Hawaiian Nationalist, there are also black, arab, kurdish, Tibetan, Japanese nationalists.

I oppose all forms of nationalism.

[James Gordon]

I oppose all forms of nationalism.

Why if you don't mind me asking? Nationalism can be quite helpful for many people and societies as a hole. I get if it's for multicultural reasons but their is something called Cultural Nationalism, Imperial Nationalism and Greater Cultural Nationalism. I'd be glad to define all three of you would like. All basically have to do with a Multicultural version of Nationalism. Also there is Socialist versions as we which can also have a multicultural idea to it.

[Kamehameha]

I've noticed a trend that anti-nationalists tend to be bourgeois.

[Kadin]

Why if you don't mind me asking? Nationalism can be quite helpful for many people and societies as a hole. I get if it's for multicultural reasons but their is something called Cultural Nationalism, Imperial Nationalism and Greater Cultural Nationalism. I'd be glad to define all three of you would like. All basically have to do with a Multicultural version of Nationalism. Also there is Socialist versions as we which can also have a multicultural idea to it.

I believe we must shift our focus toward global governance. Nationalism is a force which tends to push us in the other direction, toward disintegration into smaller units instead.

[James Gordon]

I believe we must shift our focus toward global governance. Nationalism is a force which tends to push us in the other direction, toward disintegration into smaller units instead.

I can respect that. It would be nice if we were all together but sadly it isn't happening anytime soon. We will be divided until one religion is found we can all agree on, one culture, one ideology, one everything honestly. We are so different even with Multiculturalism I doubt we will ever be a One World Government or even just a World Society as many Anarchists would call it.

 

I've noticed a trend that anti-nationalists tend to be bourgeois.

What do you mean? Like a Middle Class person or the Marxist idea of Bourgeois?

[Spooner]

>We need to have a world government.

Top kek. Yes, because we are all culturally homogeneous peoples who would love to have the same laws imposed upon all of us. Grow up.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Syrup

[Kadin]

>We need to have a world government.

Top kek. Yes, because we are all culturally homogeneous peoples who would love to have the same laws imposed upon all of us. Grow up.

I think you are the one who needs to grow up.

 

 

Ignore him. He's either a troll or a moron.

That's hilarious coming from you.

 

By the way, if these two posts are what you guys consider "debate," then...lol.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Estelle

[James Gordon]

Ignore him. He's either a troll or a moron.

Who? Also why would you call someone a troll of moron without knowing a thing about them? You may disagree but that's no reason to call them a moron.

[Kamehameha]

What do you mean? Like a Middle Class person or the Marxist idea of Bourgeois?

The ruling class today is descended from the middle class of the feudal era (the bourgeois).

[Spooner]

I think you are the one who needs to grow up.

 

 

 

If you seriously think that a world government is the most pragmatic approach then you're either young or naive. It's really that simple.

[Kadin]

If you seriously think that a world government is the most pragmatic approach then you're either young or naive. It's really that simple.

It's not just pragmatic. It's necessary, and might even be inevitable.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Estelle

[James Gordon]

The ruling class today is descended from the middle class of the feudal era (the bourgeois).

Now your not making much sense. If you said the Marxist idea of Bourgeois than I would agree. But your talking about an era we left over 500 years ago. The modern Middle Class is being f-ed over by the Extreme Rich. They are in no way modern bourgeois.

[Spooner]

Can't wait until !@#$ing space where I can peace the !@#$ out & leave all the statists behind.

[James Gordon]

Can't wait until !@#$ space where I can peace the !@#$ out & leave all the statists behind.

If/when we colonize space it's bound to just turn into colonies of Earth. Than those colonies will get a sense of identity and rebel. Then the Earth process starts all over again. So, sorry we can't have your Anarchist Utopia. Why don't you go to an Anarchist Commune. There is plenty all over the world.

[Spooner]

I have no interest in living in a commune.

 

And the point is to tart anew in unclaimed territory not bound to the current legal problems surrounding land ownership on Earth.

Edited May 23, 2015 by Syrup

[Kamehameha]

Now your not making much sense. If you said the Marxist idea of Bourgeois than I would agree. But your talking about an era we left over 500 years ago. The modern Middle Class is being f-ed over by the Extreme Rich. They are in no way modern bourgeois.

That is the Marxist idea of bourgeois, I just didn't mention the part about owning the means of production.

[Odin]

It's not just pragmatic. It's necessary, and might even be inevitable.

Under US leadership, with english language for everyone and US culture everywhere?

[James Gordon]

That is the Marxist idea of bourgeois, I just didn't mention the part about owning the means of production.

I have read Marxist work and the Middle Class of his era would be the Rich of this era.

 

Under US leadership, with english language for everyone and US culture everywhere?

Hopefully not. But sadly that's most likely the way it will be.

I have no interest in living in a commune.

 

And the point is to tart anew in unclaimed territory not bound to the current legal problems surrounding land ownership on Earth.

Best of luck with that. I'm always interested to see how social-experiments work out.

[Conrad Abteilungsche]

Race, defined as people being divisable into large groups based on shared genetic traits, exists. On the other hand, we all share a majority of genetic similarities... which is what makes us a species. Take a look at dogs, they interbreed pretty similarly to our races. If we stop recognizing those differences, then what is the different between breeds of other common animals?

 

So long as we are talking about existence of races, and not political opinions.

[Big Brother]

The nucleotide diversity between human beings is only 0.1%, 1 difference per 1000 base pairs of our DNA. A man from Korea and a man from Italy can be more genetically similar than two men living on the same street, in the same town in Korea. We're barely any different from the rest of the apes.

 

Race is only a means to categorize and describe, nothing more. It's real in the sense that there are some vague differences between some groups of human beings, but it's unimportant and it doesn't really matter. We're all the same species.

[Aphelion]

I don't really think races exist except for the Hawaiian race, which through rigorous Biblical studies has been confirmed as the chosen race of Jesus. There is 97% proof of this as evident in how the bourgeoisie is trying, to like, conspire with everything. It is just a disgusting concept developed by the bourgeoisie, since it is an undeniable fact that the only race humanity has is the superior Hawaii race. Majority of the bourgeoisie societies will someday fall though because Marx said so (otherwise I will be terribly disappointed). Also yes, the bourgeoisie (have you noticed how I like repeating that word even though I don't know what it exactly means?) is evil and are trying to subjugate the chosen people of Hawaii. 

With all that being said, I believe that this topic about the concept of races is interesting but don't you think we are forgetting the more important issues of the world such as freeing Hawaii?

 

On topic: I do believe that the concept of races to distinguish human uniqueness does exist and I am fine with it as long as it is not used to discriminate others. We can never deny that we have different skin color or that some races have different height averages (as mentioned before, somewhat similar to the case of different dog breeds and their characteristics).

Edited May 25, 2015 by Aphelion

[Alice Lune]

The only race that matters is the human race. Everything is just to show our individuality. Those who commit genocide or declare war because of race are either corrupt or immature brats who can't see anything beyond their own noses.

 

Now if we end up having a cow race or a dolphin race, then we should start getting racist.

[Avruch]

what is the problem about each of their own have a race identity?

or loosen it because of "Sam" over-embrace in multiculturalism and their hierarchical structure giving other nations lose their identity because of a nation with no longer than 250 years old?

 

it exist older than the Egyptian tale.

Is this even English? Did Google Translate write this for you?

[Avruch]

Race, defined as people being divisable into large groups based on shared genetic traits, exists. On the other hand, we all share a majority of genetic similarities... which is what makes us a species. Take a look at dogs, they interbreed pretty similarly to our races. If we stop recognizing those differences, then what is the different between breeds of other common animals?

 

So long as we are talking about existence of races, and not political opinions.

This is completely false. Why not take 30 minutes and read some reliable sources, or even Wikipedia, to learn a little about the (lack of) basis in science and genetics for the social concept of race.