Hereno Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 Ok so I've decided that we'll just offer truces to anyone not named Herano that agrees to not send any aid/money/resources to anyone still in wars, and agree to not start any new wars. Herano should contact myself or Pfeiffer. Last time I contacted Pfeiffer, this happened. Send me an in-game PM if this post is legit. That's all I'll say on the matter. I actually agreed with Pfeiffer on the reps issue. Reps should be given to nations, not alliances. An alliance being raided isn't an excuse for it to make out like a bandit. How is an alliance "making out like a bandit" for getting the money that came from its own nations? Do you realize that the actual dictionary definition bandits here are the Mensa HQ members? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TellUrGrlThx Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Last time I contacted Pfeiffer, this happened. Send me an in-game PM if this post is legit. http://prntscr.com/6tyr65 Just few of many of your members who have taken our offer. I suggest you contact Vanek if you are interested. Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸ GOD EMPEROR DIO BRANDO¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸ DIO BRANDO GOD EMPEROR¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oskar Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Oh. Then I really am showing my senility, aren't I? Oskar deserves all he gets. He'll be lucky to ever get to three cities.Hey Einstein. I have four. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oskar Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Oh. Then I really am showing my senility, aren't I? Oskar deserves all he gets. He'll be lucky to ever get to three cities. What did I even do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Lol, Most of the war declarations were "inactive, PM for peace". So Estelle can't really criticise us for doing the same. As for you Brian, you've made two kind of vague threats that BoC would attempt to roll Mensa in the last two pages. If that isn't the official position of your leadership, don't make claims on their behalf. And if it is, then 1 Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desertfalcon Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Jesus, people Brian was talking about rolling Oscar, not Mensa. I'm embarrassed that members of my alliance have made this mistake THREE times in the last two pages. 2 Quote º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ ¨°º¤ø„¸ GOD EMPEROR DIO BRANDO¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸ DIO BRANDO GOD EMPEROR¨°º¤ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¤¤º°¨ ø„¸¸„¨ ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¨°º¤ø„¸ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oppilan Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Jesus, people Brian was talking about rolling Oscar, not Mensa. hahaha Oskar you are adding to the fun, keep it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigInZen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 What did I even do? You only continued to attack and rape several low-level Mensa HQ members and then complain when we pounded your ass. Quote Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) As for you Brian, you've made two kind of vague threats that BoC would attempt to roll Mensa in the last two pages. If that isn't the official position of your leadership, don't make claims on their behalf. And if it is, then Wait, Wait, Wait! you clearly are not even reading what I have said up to this point. I never said BoC would do anything to Mensa and personally I have nothing against Mensa, I just don't like 2 things about what you are doing, which are: 1. Rolling an alliance that isnt even in the top 20 (for an alliance ranked #6 this looks very bad). 2. Coming onto the OWF and blaming SI for this whole mess. I actually like some of the people in Mensa (like the Hippo guy) but the fact that a lot of your players come here and simply say "we are defending our own" as an excuse is a very sad lie in my eyes, in all honesty I wouldn't have said a word in this whole matter if you guys would have just popped up and said "We are rolling them because we can" if that was the case I would just pull out my popcorn and watch everyone else !@#$ at you for attacking a small alliance. Side note: this is the OWF where everyone's voice is individual what I say has nothing to do with my alliance and it will obviously vary from one topic to another. Now excuse me as I go get myself some more popcorn and a soda :popcorn: Edited April 15, 2015 by Brian Hurlston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I think you and the rest of the cry babies on this thread misunderstood the !@#$ we give. We are here to dominate, don't like it? Then get out of our way or be crushed beneath the weight of the ever growing sand. are you blind my friend? that comment wasn't even about Mensa AT ALL! that comment was about Oskar and his old alliance which he had no control over AT ALL! it would be stupid for 2 alliance of relative size to declare a full out war over 1 or 2 little raids against inactive and BoC kicks inactives so that we don't need to deal with problems over inactives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oppilan Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 (edited) You only continued to attack and rape several low-level Mensa HQ members and then complain when we pounded your ass. Oh come on, can't you remember the names of nations? It was "ME" (Oppilan, remember this name) attacked your smaller nations. But instead of attacking me, Mensa attacked all small nations in The German Reich. Your alliance should've attacked me !! And now Mensa, Rose and BoC keep blaming (or giving credits to ) Oskar for the attacks, but I'M RESPONSIBLE for it. Someone said we stopped attacking BoC after their warning, well if you see at that time your alliance had only one inactive nation, so after attacking one nation I went on to attack other inactive nations, that is it !! wow this forum is really full of misunderstandings ! Long message in short: I raped your members Edited April 15, 2015 by Oppilan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Jesus, people Brian was talking about rolling Oscar, not Mensa. I'm embarrassed that members of my alliance have made this mistake THREE times in the last two pages. Also thank you so much for actually reading what im talking about mate! you deserve some of my popcorn :popcorn: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Yea, I'm not reading all this. I'm just wondering if anyone in SI is making an attack this war. Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Yea, I'm not reading all this. I'm just wondering if anyone in SI is making an attack this war. There's been some retaliation, but some of them are trucing out. We sent peace terms to them after the initial strike, basically stating "Offer us peace, don't attack Mensa, don't aid those who refuse peace." Think there's been an offer of reps too, but I'm not quite clear on that. For the most part we just truce out then move on. 2 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 There's been some retaliation, but some of them are trucing out. We sent peace terms to them after the initial strike, basically stating "Offer us peace, don't attack Mensa, don't aid those who refuse peace." Think there's been an offer of reps too, but I'm not quite clear on that. For the most part we just truce out then move on. You guys should have said this a LOT sooner xD might have stopped a lot of people from telling you that you are doing wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I believe there was a mention of this somewhere early on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 You guys should have said this a LOT sooner xD might have stopped a lot of people from telling you that you are doing wrong Then we wouldn't have the crazy dramatic entertainment! 2 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sephiroth Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Then we wouldn't have the crazy dramatic entertainment! Very true! I wouldn't have eaten so much popcorn Carry on then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 There's been some retaliation, but some of them are trucing out. We sent peace terms to them after the initial strike, basically stating "Offer us peace, don't attack Mensa, don't aid those who refuse peace." Think there's been an offer of reps too, but I'm not quite clear on that. For the most part we just truce out then move on. It was a joke, TEst hit SI a while back and SI just laid down and took it like a drunk whore. Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Oh, did not know that. Interesting. The higher score players in SI struck back, pretty hard too but thats missles for you. 2 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigInZen Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 It was quite shocking how limited the counterattacks were beyond the top tier. Quote Priest of Dio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Setting aside entirely the war itself (if I were Hereno, I'd have absolutely demanded reps paid to the bank, and if I were Mensa, I'd more than likely have told him to !@#$ off) ..... .....this post is really in my view a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of reps. Raids are honestly pretty easy to rebuild from. In terms of the hassle of actually negotiating reps verse the actual cost of the damage done, 90% of the time you might as well just skip them and rebuild the nation yourself. The purpose of reps is to be a disincentive to pursue the behavior (i.e. raiding your member) in the future. Rebulding the nation is incidental to the reason for reparations. If the reps are just for rebuilding or regaining what was lost than there's no reason for the raider to not continue to engage in the same behavior towards you. At worst, they break even. At best, you get tired of negotiating reps, and they profit. While obviously there are times when you might want to just recoup losses (for other political reasons) if your default position on reps is just to regain what you lost, you're wasting your own time and weakening yourself. This, incidentally, is why reps for any raids against SK members are for damages plus a punitive fee, which varies depending on political considerations, how much I like you, your attitude during negotiations, past history, and how much I've had to drink that day. I agree and disagree with you. I think raiders should be charged more as a sort of fee like you mentioned. At the same time that's not what happened here, the money was the exact amount stolen. If that's the situation and they're just trying to get their members their stuff back they shouldve had no issue with the terms. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 No. Not really. Reps should be payed to the alliance as a whole as they were members of an alliance. Further more, those nations are still active. If any of you actually looked at SI bank activity, you can clearly see that as a socialist alliance, we would spread the wealth. So there should no concern whatsoever that those funds would not be used in the right direction. If those nations are active then why make the decision to get your alliance rolled when Pfeiffer offered to send it directly to them? I don't really care whether or not you'd use it for the intended purposes. But you asked for money, they offered to give them their money back and you declared on them, and I find that hilarious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted April 15, 2015 Author Share Posted April 15, 2015 It was quite shocking how limited the counterattacks were beyond the top tier. It's because the war system gives a heavy advantage to the people who strike first; if you wake up and find yourself 12 turns into a war, you could have already lost air and ground control, while not having had time to build up forces. Mensa HQ, being raiders, had larger armed forces on hand, and with their numbers, it only took a quite modest offensive to shut down the 10 or so people who make up our bottom tier. The same is true up top, too, but missiles are the great equalizer. Had I taken a couple days we probably could have easily smacked them hard, but that's what happens when you have to deal with dumbasses while high. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malice Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 So the lesson as always is that drugs are bad. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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