Pol Pot Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 in an all out war between these two sides, who wins? both sides about 30 years where they can build up whatever they like ready to fight in the war. for the purpose of this debate, nukes are not allowed and the outside world will go on as if nothing is happening, ignoring the drama between these two sides. can USA win or does china crush them under shear numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I will win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 We'd sink every boat they send... so... stalemate? Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 ok, So on USA side we have EU, Canada, Australia, Saudi Arabia, Japan, South Korea, Israel.... while on russia/china we have iran, north korea...no one else comes on my mind My opinion is that USA side would win EU with a little USA support could take Russia.USA, south korea, Australia, Japan could take N Korea and China Saudi Arabia ,Turkey, Israel could take Iran and others countries that would take russia side on mid-east and North Africa I dont really know what side would take other countries like India, Indonesia, Brasil and others... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pol Pot Posted April 10, 2015 Author Share Posted April 10, 2015 intresting ideas. but remember...the other countiries in the world won't take part... talking about sinking the chinese ships, the russians and the chinese will have 30 years to build up a massvive navy of their own, could they rival the US navy in that time? both china and russia outstrip america in population but america is richer, if they turned their entire economies to war mode, they might be able to build a stronger millitary. though america will have 30 years to prepare as well, so it should be intresting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 intresting ideas. but remember...the other countiries in the world won't take part... talking about sinking the chinese ships, the russians and the chinese will have 30 years to build up a massvive navy of their own, could they rival the US navy in that time? both china and russia outstrip america in population but america is richer, if they turned their entire economies to war mode, they might be able to build a stronger millitary. though america will have 30 years to prepare as well, so it should be intresting. Uh..I don't think USA can go alone against China/Russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 No one will win, as this will never happen. Again, you're in your daydream sessions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaguar Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 No one will win, as this will never happen. Again, you're in your daydream sessions. I'm aware that it won't happen, just guessing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franz Von Dietrich Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I'm aware that it won't happen, just guessing Wasn't referring to you, mainly my post was directed at Pol Pot, due to me hating his "glorious moments". 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 noone wins that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 noone wins that No, no one wins in the scenario, just which weathers the war better. Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aisha Greyjoy Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 US Military Budget: 575B Chinese Miltary Budget: 132B Russian Military Budget: 78B So, today, we outspend them by 3 to 1 roughly. WIll their economies grow faster? Maybe, maybe not. Assuming yes(almost surely for china), is 30 years enough time to catch up? If they did catch up in 30 years, will it be enough to overcome 30 years of being outspent? No, USA wins hand down. Quote Duke of House Greyjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailor Jerry Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 in an all out war between these two sides, who wins? both sides about 30 years where they can build up whatever they like ready to fight in the war. for the purpose of this debate, nukes are not allowed and the outside world will go on as if nothing is happening, ignoring the drama between these two sides. can USA win or does china crush them under shear numbers? Why wait 30 years......we've all had the same amount of time to build up since WWII.....lets do it now.......we'd kick the crap out of China and who was the other one.......oh yeah Russia! No matter.......they'd both go down fast than a pair of 300 Baht Thai hookers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 in an all out war between these two sides, who wins? both sides about 30 years where they can build up whatever they like ready to fight in the war. for the purpose of this debate, nukes are not allowed and the outside world will go on as if nothing is happening, ignoring the drama between these two sides. can USA win or does china crush them under shear numbers? The problem is, a war with China would inevitably end up in an ICBM exchange. Our Navy is simply unstoppable, thus, to protect their coast, China would have to resort to the ASBM, which we would respond with by launching ICBMs. But assuming this somehow didn't happen, there would be no winners. It would be a stalemate. Neither side would be able to effectively invade the other. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwemyrn Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 in an all out war between these two sides, who wins? both sides about 30 years where they can build up whatever they like ready to fight in the war. for the purpose of this debate, nukes are not allowed and the outside world will go on as if nothing is happening, ignoring the drama between these two sides. can USA win or does china crush them under shear numbers? China is.roughly 1/7 of the earths population. Quote -removed by thor- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 China is.roughly 1/7 of the earths population. So? If they cant get them across big water then its not like they can invade at any insurmountable pace. 1 Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilal the Great Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Nuke falls everybody dies. The survivor then got bondage outfits and waste gas. Quote King Bilal the Great Mediocre The Average monarch of Billonesia Wikia page (if you're into roleplay things). We Tvtropes now. (down the rabbit hole!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unkajo Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Lets be real here, it will never come to blows with China. The US Military has the capability to infiltrate or invade any country on earth regardless of size, population, or military technology. If for some situation war DID pop off, the 7th fleet could single-handedly along with our brothers in the JSDF destroy or disable all Chinese naval capability. The time of defensive borders and what not is gone. What the Nazis did 70 years ago, we are masters of. If that was lightning war, this is super sonic war. However unlike WWII, it would be much akin to Desert Storm or OIF, however with much more resistance. Infantry losses for both sides will be minimal for a long time. It would rockets, JDAMs and lots of CIWS systems going off at the same time. China is due for a collapse, India will overtake them in both GDP and military might within 20 years. But realistically, at most, we could ruin their country through sanctions alone, although they can do the same through cyber warfare. I am am as pro-war as you can go when Americans are attacked, but this is hypothetical that is just downright moronic because the chances of it happening are so low. China gonna come collect their debt? Lets not forget that china is also 5 trillion dollars in debt. Our economies are joined at the hip. That being said, there is a war on the horizon. Time will only tell who it is with. 1 Quote friends>infra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 As stated above China and the US are too reliant on one another. A war with Russia would result in national interests being targeted more so than any all out invasion. Invading either the US or Russia is damn near impossible and war would most likely harm non involved nations. Any form of takeover or occupancy would only work for a short time period. I dont think either nation has the capability to wipe out the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alicia Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 So now we've got a nuclear winter and everyone is dead except Australia, who are like "wtf m8". But they'll be dead soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fistofdoom Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 So now we've got a nuclear winter and everyone is dead except Australia, who are like "wtf m8". But they'll be dead soon. did you quote a certain youtube video? Quote 01:05:55 <%fistofdoom> im out of wine 01:06:03 <%fistofdoom> i winsih i had port 01:06:39 <@JoshF{BoC}> fistofdoom: is the snowman drunk with you 01:07:32 <%fistofdoom> i knet i forgot somehnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 So now we've got a nuclear winter and everyone is dead except Australia, who are like "wtf m8". But they'll be dead soon. !@#$ing kangaroos. did you quote a certain youtube video? Clearly. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) Then the survivors have to fight mutant kangaroos in a championship cage match! Edited April 12, 2015 by Fox Fire Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Weird, big dick kangaroo wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Lune Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 We should all move to Antartica and watch as those silly mortals spank each other with their nukes. Then after they're tired of fighting, probably after like 100 years, we should go back to the previously known world and carve a large chunk of land for each of us. We don't need to worry about food. We have vertical farms and whales to hunt. We don't need to worry about electricity, we can use cold fusion. We don't need to worry about nuclear winter, we don't use their sunlight anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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