WISD0MTREE Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 What does that have to do with anything I said? AQ was not a thing in Iraq until we dissolved the government and left a power vacuum for them to operate and gain influence..... I was addressing exactly what you said. I even quoted it. I don't even. Read the damn quote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordRahl2 Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Everyone who has posted itt qualifies for MENSA status. Quote -signature removed for rules violation- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seryozha Nikanor Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 HE shouldnt of been removed from power, he kept Iraq stable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pol Pot Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 socialist saddam was a good man. he supports the socialist islam that al queda and ISIS support and was against the bourgeoisie USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alice Lune Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) So do you support his actions against the Kurds? Look at it from Saddam's point of view. To him and the rest of the Iraqis, the Kurds: 1) aren't Iraqi, they're classified as Iranian, based on cultural and linguistic similarity 2) Kurd nationalists pursue greater autonomy than they already enjoyed, which translates to Saddam and Iraqis in general as sedition and attempt at separation 3) Until recent decades, many were nomads with ethnic ties to Iran, Saddam's Iraq's major rival 4) Kurdish is accepted in Iraq as national language. It could be seen as a barrier to unifying the various Arab tribes in Iraq 5) Anti-Kurdish policies were started in the 1980s, during the Iran-Iraq War. Since Kurds are essentially Iranians, there is a high level of discrimination and distrust of them 6) Kurds had unsuccessfully staged uprisings against Iraqi government since after World War 1, causing heavy fightings and loss of lives until the 1970 Autonomy Agreement. 7) In 1979, Ayatollah Khomeini openly called for the spread of the Islamic Revolution to Iraq, arming Shiite and Kurdish rebels against Saddam's regime and sponsoring assassination attempts on senior Iraqi officials. 8) 15% of Iraq's population is Kurds, coupled with them wanting greater autonomy, it's simply too much of a threat. Now if you are the premier of a desert country, where the rule is generally 'tribe first, religion second and nation third', and you have two groups that seriously want to kill you, do you sit still and wait for them to cut your throat? No, my dear, if you say you will attempt diplomacy, you are delusional. The only course of action is to beat them up until they can't fight you anymore or make them so dependent on you they will die if you stop helping them. That has always been the rule of the desert, they were shaped by the harsh environment they were born and raised in. Maybe those who had been living a comfortable life in the United States can't understand it, but that has always been how the people of the desert work, ever since before the birth of their Prophet Muhammad p.b.u.h. You can't judge them by your standards. If you learn their prophet's history, you will understand why the Middle East is this way. Their prophet managed to install order and for a time, removed their loyalty to their tribes. But the middle-eastern people live in tribes, there is not enough place (read: natural oasis) for them to live separately. After a few generations, they return to their tribes. It's just how it is. Their prophet's original tribe even went unchallenged for centuries because they control both the Kaaba and the major trade routes, so nobody (save for one) dared to challenge them until Muhammad himself beat them up. Edited April 23, 2015 by Alice Lune Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 socialist saddam was a good man. he supports the socialist islam that al queda and ISIS support and was against the bourgeoisie USA. ISIS is fighting against Socialist Kurdish YPG freedom fighters. Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Fire Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I was addressing exactly what you said. I even quoted it. I don't even. Read the damn quote. You mean over into Pakistan? That has nothing to do with Iraq.... socialist saddam was a good man. he supports the socialist islam that al queda and ISIS support and was against the bourgeoisie USA. What Tywin said. They aren't socialists. They're fundamentalist theocratic Muslims trying to create a caliphate. Quote _________________________________________________________________ <Jroc> I heard \ is an anagram of cocaine<\> I can't be rearranged into a line, I already am a line. --Foxburo Wiki-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamehameha Posted April 24, 2015 Share Posted April 24, 2015 These are socialists not ISIS scum Quote Imperator Emeritus of the IAA, The Last Francoist, Ivan's Eye, Hand of the King, Senator, SHADOWS Commander, Order Hero "The Voice of the People is the Voice of God" - Queen Liliuokalani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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