Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) So when a person loses a war, (lose 6 consecutive immense triumph GAs or eats a nuke) they get sent to beige for a maximum of 60 turns. (I believe its 60, i could be wrong there) While on beige, from what I understand, they cannot declare or have any wars declared on them, and I think that is a great mechanic for the nation that is sent to beige. (it gives them time to reload, or take a few days off from getting thier butt kicked) What I dont like, is that a nation can jump off of beige whenever they want, so if you are fighting and just biege a nation, one turn later they can jump back off beige, and start beating on your alliance mates. You cant do anything about it either because you cant declare war on them for another X turns. Beiging your opponent serves no tactical advantage to the "winner of the war", so what I would like to propose is that if you get sent to beige, you are forced to stay thier for a minimum amount of time, be it 3 days or the 5 day timer that normally kicks in when you change your color. I would propose a 3 day min, and then they can jump out anytime they want between the 3-5 days until they get sent to grey. That way the winner wont have to worry about them for another 3 days, but it still gives the loser a bit of unpredictability of when they are going to jump back out. This will add more stratedgy to alliance warfare, because it can allow them to isolate people, and it will make nukes much more useful, because nukers will be able to remove large threats from the battlefield for atleast a few days before they can come back in, and allow them to focus on other targets. I think it would also put more emphasis on winning GAs because there is an actual reason to want to send someone to beige now. With proper coordination this can help the aggressor quickly work down the defender, or the other way around, if the defender is on the ball, they can quickly even the odds in a fight if they can quickly send a bunch of the aggresor's nations to beige, and they can then focus on defending against the guys left over. If this does get passed, I would also propose that if you get nuked not only does the nation get sent to beige, but thier war ends as well. That would make Nukes much more tacitcally viable and useful than they are currently. Edited March 20, 2015 by Sweeeeet Ronny D 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abbas Mehdi Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I like this idea, I think 2 days of forced beige is fair. Has enough time to restock on at least 50% of military units. Quote I am not a member of Guardian p&w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I don't like it but it's not game breaking so I guess it's not a bad idea even though I don't like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur James Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I prefer the loser can give a surprise attack if no truce package was signed in Forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Quite like this actually. Allows for more tactics and puts more emphasis on GA's which is always good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ataraxis Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, there is already at least a 24 hour waiting period before you can unbeige yourself. Quote #6 in P&W Beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodo Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, there is already at least a 24 hour waiting period before you can unbeige yourself. Eh, not sure. The one time I was beiged I'm pretty sure I got out an hour or so later. Unless its based on the update/rollover for the day which is just silly. As for the suggestion: I can get behind this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur James Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Edited Edited March 20, 2015 by Arthur James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magicboyd25 Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Fantastic Idea! I would suggest because of the speed of things around here that it is just 2-3 days but even still that is a long time for our general ideas of wars here. allows for a few rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 This change is overdue. Although, the defender would really need to be on the ball. Great way to encourage more strategy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Armstrong Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Interesting suggestion. It doesn't seem to me like this situation where a nation loses a war and goes back for more before leaving beige happens all that often. Maybe with rogues and mercenaries, but not in typical full-scale alliance wars. While it would encourage more strategy if used in an alliance situation wouldn't it cut back on potential tactics for our professional killers out there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 What about something where a defender knocks a nation to beige, and that ties up the defensive slot that was being used by that nation for the remainder of the original war duration? Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 That sounds very overpowered Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 If I'm not mistaken, there is already at least a 24 hour waiting period before you can unbeige yourself. i dont believe so, I have seen people get beiged jump right back out of beige and hit more people. Double check with diabolos tho, because he was the one that I saw do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 That sounds very overpowered Not really. War right now hugely favors the first-strike. If a person is attacked, and still is able to come back and obtain a "victory" through ground attacks, they should be rewarded with a slight reprieve. It would also encourage standing ground forces, both in offense and defense, even if the attacking nation's only intent is to fire missiles at the enemy until they are reduced to rubble. The period of time in which that defensive slot is locked up could be adjusted, but the most it could last under my proposal is 4 days (it is impossible to achieve victory in war in less than 24 hours), whereas the attacking nation that is defeated gets beige protection for 5 days and suffers less damage from the ground attacks than it would from missiles/ships/planes. It would create real options that force nations to make decisions between multiple paths that could be equally viable. Where's the harm in that? Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placentica Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I think this is a great idea. Beiging someone already is pointless, so at least make it so they have to say on beige for the amount of time other people can't attack them. Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kadin Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I approve! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Presidential Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 I'd like to see this implemented Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwynn Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 This was brought up previously about the beige mechanic and the fact there's no need to beige someone. It was shot down because it affects not just war, but also a victim of raiding. Personally, I feel like it should be on the color timer just like changing a color manually. 1 Quote He's right, I'm such a stinker. Play my exceptional game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ataraxis Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 i dont believe so, I have seen people get beiged jump right back out of beige and hit more people. Double check with diabolos tho, because he was the one that I saw do that. I got beiged before. I tried changing my color back but it wouldn't let me. Or perhaps I'm forgetting something. Quote #6 in P&W Beta Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 This was brought up previously about the beige mechanic and the fact there's no need to beige someone. It was shot down because it affects not just war, but also a victim of raiding. Personally, I feel like it should be on the color timer just like changing a color manually. I concur, If it was up to me, I also think it should be on the color timer. I was just trying to be a little more flexable about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 This may have been implemented, I can't change off beige for 24 turns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted May 20, 2015 Author Share Posted May 20, 2015 This may have been implemented, I can't change off beige for 24 turns it was not, I was nuked, and i hopped off beige 2 hours later. So I would like to bump this thread again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phiney Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 So nuke beige is hop off able but defeat beige is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spite Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Beige should be 5 days. That way you can make a decision to beige someone as a way of quickly knocking a threat out of a bigger war for five days. This will introduce more strategy into warfare Quote ☾☆ Priest of Dio just because the Nazis did something doesn't mean it's automatically wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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