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Obviously this is the most complicated question of all. Should Camelot pay reps? Be rolled out of the game? Should TFP and Rose be rolled out of the game for breaching the NAP first? Should they pay reps? Should we just let Camelot’s actions slide and not give nor take anything from them?

Personally I’d like to let Camelot’s reputation damage be enough as long as they pay back their existing debts but I’d be interested in more possibilities.

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13 minutes ago, Oscarine said:

why did you have to split this into three posts bruh

I probably shouldn't have, but there's three main issues to discuss and a centralized post would get messy imo

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On 5/29/2025 at 7:03 PM, Sir Scarfalot said:

I probably shouldn't have, but there's three main issues to discuss and a centralized post would get messy imo

fixed the formatting for u lol

 

1: Was Camelot actually proxied by Rose/TFP/other signatories?

It’s not exactly a simple question since it depends on the definition of what it means to be proxied as well as the mens rea of the actors.

I say that Camelot’s relationship with Samurai provides probably the best argument: 
if you can protect an otherwise pirate alliance that hits your pact partners without that being an NAP breach then TFP pressuring your other protectorates into dropping you isn’t a breach, and Rose simply encouraging hits against you isn’t a breach either. It could be a reason for diplomatic resolutions though.

 

2: Did Camelot engage in “good-faith diplomacy” before invoking exit clauses?

Again, not simple, and it depends on the mindset of the actors going in. 
I don’t have enough evidence to rule either way myself, so I’ll wait for logs before posting my vote.

 

3: What should be done about the Camelot situation?

Obviously this is the most complicated question of all. 

  • Should Camelot pay reps?
  • Be rolled out of the game?
  • Should TFP and Rose be rolled out of the game for breaching the NAP first? 
  • Should they pay reps?
  • Should we just let Camelot’s actions slide and not give nor take anything from them?

Personally I’d like to let Camelot’s reputation damage be enough as long as they pay back their existing debts but I’d be interested in more possibilities.

 

Original Posts
https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/50510-was-camelot-actually-proxied-by-rosetfpother-signatories/

https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/50511-did-camelot-engage-in-“good-faith-diplomacy”-before-invoking-exit-clauses/

https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/50513-what-should-be-done-about-the-camelot-situation/

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On 5/29/2025 at 4:09 PM, Sir Scarfalot said:

Be rolled out of the game?

It is about time to put the Inquisition remnant out of its misery.

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