Ignomious Leader Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Well, every election cycle Texas seems to be getting more and more blue. That percentage gap of blue-to-red voters is getting smaller and smaller. With major dissatisfaction with the Republican party (And the democratic party if you're a thinking organism, but most people aren't), a lot of Republicans are looking for an alternative, and with the influx of blue voting immigrants, Texas could indeed turn blue. Pretty much. The problem is that the difference between Red and Blue states is a lot like the difference between Coke and Pepsi. One might taste a bit better, but at the end of the day, they're both still rotting your teeth out. Well... both parties are doing a fine job. Just some high representatives of them don't. Also everyone can enter politics, so I think blaiming the DEMs and REPs for every little mistake isn't really fair. The voting system is designed to perpetuate the two-party system, though, thus drowning out any real voice of dissent. If party affiliation was removed from ballots, the entire political system would be revolutionized. People might actually start voting for alternative parties or independents. 1 Quote Formerly PIP on >Bloc. All hail his irrelevance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I live in Texas, and it CAN turn blue if we don't require IDs to vote and increase boarder security. I might as well edit and say that requiring an ID to vote isn't discrimination, since we can all go get an ID. It may not be a drivers license, but just a photo ID that would work. If you make IDs freely obtainable, then yes, this is OK. However, if these required IDs are not free, then it constitutes a poll tax and is thus unconstitutional in federal elections (via the 24th Amendment) and in state elections (via the 14th Amendment). Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I live in Texas, and it CAN turn blue if we don't require IDs to vote and increase boarder security. I might as well edit and say that requiring an ID to vote isn't discrimination, since we can all go get an ID. It may not be a drivers license, but just a photo ID that would work. If you make IDs freely obtainable, then yes, this is OK. However, if these required IDs are not free, then it constitutes a poll tax and is thus unconstitutional in federal elections (via the 24th Amendment) and in state elections (via the 14th Amendment). I'm sorry that you can't afford the $50 Photo IDs with no tests or anything (except papers) to get them. Maybe our government should pay for that, too? http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I live in Texas, and it CAN turn blue if we don't require IDs to vote and increase boarder security. I might as well edit and say that requiring an ID to vote isn't discrimination, since we can all go get an ID. It may not be a drivers license, but just a photo ID that would work. If you make IDs freely obtainable, then yes, this is OK. However, if these required IDs are not free, then it constitutes a poll tax and is thus unconstitutional in federal elections (via the 24th Amendment) and in state elections (via the 14th Amendment). I'm sorry that you can't afford the $50 Photo IDs with no tests or anything (except papers) to get them. Maybe our government should pay for that, too? http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Maybe you shouldn't require them in the first place? $50 is a lot of money for the working poor to spend accessing a right they're legally guaranteed, much less the unemployed - and the US Constitution specifically requires that you do not levy a poll tax. End of story. Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 If you make IDs freely obtainable, then yes, this is OK. However, if these required IDs are not free, then it constitutes a poll tax and is thus unconstitutional in federal elections (via the 24th Amendment) and in state elections (via the 14th Amendment). I'm sorry that you can't afford the $50 Photo IDs with no tests or anything (except papers) to get them. Maybe our government should pay for that, too? http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Maybe you shouldn't require them in the first place? $50 is a lot of money for the working poor to spend accessing a right they're legally guaranteed, much less the unemployed - and the US Constitution specifically requires that you do not levy a poll tax. End of story. I'm sorry, maybe you shouldn't vote twice or let non US Citizens and vote to get a Dem that hates boarder patrol, so they can run across and mess with our state. Or maybe you don't mind that illegals are taking the majority of Texas. brb going to start civilian boarder patrol thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Voter fraud is almost nonexistent in this country. It's a bogeyman raised by supporters of voter ID laws (which are intended to disenfranchise the poor, and by correlation minorities) to justify the policies. And personally, I don't have a problem with any resident of this country participating in our government process, citizen or non-citizen. And it is simply false to say that undocumented immigrants are taking the majority of Texas. Hispanics may well be, but the vast majority of Hispanics in this country are not only not undocumented immigrants, but they are also natural-born citizens. 1 Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I'm sorry, maybe you shouldn't vote twice or let non US Citizens and vote to get a Dem that hates boarder patrol, so they can run across and mess with our state. Or maybe you don't mind that illegals are taking the majority of Texas. brb going to start civilian boarder patrol thing If you want to institute a poll tax, you're going to have to amend the Constitution first. End of story. I understand your pathological hatred of Democrats (they are, after all, Socialist Nazi Muslim New World Order agents who want to take your guns, your money and your jobs and give them to black illegal immigrants with their Obamaphones), but the US Constitution trumps your opinion. Voter fraud is almost nonexistent in this country. It's a bogeyman raised by supporters of voter ID laws (which are intended to disenfranchise the poor, and by correlation minorities) to justify the policies. And personally, I don't have a problem with any resident of this country participating in our government process, citizen or non-citizen. Exactly. Also, these people still pay taxes. What was that phrase again... oh right, no taxation without representation. And it is simply false to say that undocumented immigrants are taking the majority of Texas. Hispanics may well be, but the vast majority of Hispanics in this country are not only not undocumented immigrants, but they are also natural-born citizens. Bingo. Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I'm sorry, maybe you shouldn't vote twice or let non US Citizens and vote to get a Dem that hates boarder patrol, so they can run across and mess with our state. Or maybe you don't mind that illegals are taking the majority of Texas. brb going to start civilian boarder patrol thing If you want to institute a poll tax, you're going to have to amend the Constitution first. End of story. I understand your pathological hatred of Democrats (they are, after all, Socialist Nazi Muslim New World Order agents who want to take your guns, your money and your jobs and give them to black illegal immigrants with their Obamaphones), but the US Constitution trumps your opinion. Not a poll tax. If Obama sees the 2nd Amendment not specificately say that all guns are allowed, then requiring an ID that costs money isn't a poll tax. Pick one. Can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I'm sorry, maybe you shouldn't vote twice or let non US Citizens and vote to get a Dem that hates boarder patrol, so they can run across and mess with our state. Or maybe you don't mind that illegals are taking the majority of Texas. brb going to start civilian boarder patrol thing If you want to institute a poll tax, you're going to have to amend the Constitution first. End of story. I understand your pathological hatred of Democrats (they are, after all, Socialist Nazi Muslim New World Order agents who want to take your guns, your money and your jobs and give them to black illegal immigrants with their Obamaphones), but the US Constitution trumps your opinion. Not a poll tax. If Obama sees the 2nd Amendment not specificately say that all guns are allowed, then requiring an ID that costs money isn't a poll tax. Pick one. Can't have it both ways. This is like the weirdest false dichotomy ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Not a poll tax. If Obama sees the 2nd Amendment not specificately say that all guns are allowed, then requiring an ID that costs money isn't a poll tax. Pick one. Can't have it both ways. I didn't suggest at any point that I support Obama's POV on the 2nd Amendment (Hint: I don't). However: Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. Forcing people to buy an ID card to exercise their guaranteed constitutional rights is a tax, even if you don't consider it strictly a 'poll tax'. Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Not a poll tax. If Obama sees the 2nd Amendment not specificately say that all guns are allowed, then requiring an ID that costs money isn't a poll tax. Pick one. Can't have it both ways. I didn't suggest at any point that I support Obama's POV on the 2nd Amendment (Hint: I don't). However: Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any primary or other election for President or Vice President, for electors for President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or any State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. Forcing people to buy an ID card to exercise their guaranteed constitutional rights is a tax, even if you don't consider it strictly a 'poll tax'. So, you want illegals to vote and Dems to vote twice to cause this? http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/election-fraud-obama-won-more-than-99-percent-of-the-vote-in-more-than-100-ohio-precincts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 So, you want illegals to vote and Dems to vote twice to cause this? http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/election-fraud-obama-won-more-than-99-percent-of-the-vote-in-more-than-100-ohio-precincts How about you get an actual legitimate source, instead of some right-wing hate/conspiracy theorist blog trying to sell a novel? You also didn't address my point. At all. As long as you refuse to do so, I don't see the need to further entertain your argument. Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 So, you want illegals to vote and Dems to vote twice to cause this? http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/election-fraud-obama-won-more-than-99-percent-of-the-vote-in-more-than-100-ohio-precincts How about you get an actual legitimate source, instead of some right-wing hate/conspiracy theorist blog trying to sell a novel? You also didn't address my point. At all. As long as you refuse to do so, I don't see the need to further entertain your argument. http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_boe/en-US/ElectionResults2012/11062012UnofficialResultsbyPrecinct.HTM There And it isn't a tax because it is an ID. Not a special voting ID, but just some sort of photo ID. Similar to the one that they give (and have been given) to immigrants, and others can be bought for $50. Majority of America has a photo ID (drivers license). And I got the money wrong. http://www.dmv.org/tx-texas/id-cards.php New ID Card Application 59 years old & younger – $16 (expires on birth date after 6 years). 60 years old & older – $6 (no expiration). ID Card Renewal 59 years old & younger – $16 (expires after 6 years). 60 years old & older – $6 (no expiration). ID Card Replacement 59 years old & younger – $11 (current expiration does not change). 60 years old & older – $11 (no expiration). Change of Name or Address 59 years old & younger – $11 (current expiration does not change). 60 years old & older – $11 (no expiration). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The King Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Well... both parties are doing a fine job. Just some high representatives of them don't. Also everyone can enter politics, so I think blaiming the DEMs and REPs for every little mistake isn't really fair. "Silence is a political statement" -- Tariq Ramadan Quote "Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery" -- Detroit Red Now that's who we'll call an intelligent man! "The King" of Th e S e v e n K i n g d o m s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 So, you want illegals to vote and Dems to vote twice to cause this? http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/election-fraud-obama-won-more-than-99-percent-of-the-vote-in-more-than-100-ohio-precincts How about you get an actual legitimate source, instead of some right-wing hate/conspiracy theorist blog trying to sell a novel? You also didn't address my point. At all. As long as you refuse to do so, I don't see the need to further entertain your argument. http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_boe/en-US/ElectionResults2012/11062012UnofficialResultsbyPrecinct.HTM There And it isn't a tax because it is an ID. Not a special voting ID, but just some sort of photo ID. Similar to the one that they give (and have been given) to immigrants, and others can be bought for $50. Majority of America has a photo ID (drivers license). And I got the money wrong. http://www.dmv.org/tx-texas/id-cards.php New ID Card Application 59 years old & younger – $16 (expires on birth date after 6 years). 60 years old & older – $6 (no expiration). ID Card Renewal59 years old & younger – $16 (expires after 6 years). 60 years old & older – $6 (no expiration). ID Card Replacement59 years old & younger – $11 (current expiration does not change). 60 years old & older – $11 (no expiration). Change of Name or Address59 years old & younger – $11 (current expiration does not change). 60 years old & older – $11 (no expiration). You have to pay money. It's a tax. To do something you have a constitutionally-guaranteed right to do without being taxed. End. Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/pdf_boe/en-US/ElectionResults2012/11062012UnofficialResultsbyPrecinct.HTM There And it isn't a tax because it is an ID. Not a special voting ID, but just some sort of photo ID. Similar to the one that they give (and have been given) to immigrants, and others can be bought for $50. Majority of America has a photo ID (drivers license). And I got the money wrong. http://www.dmv.org/tx-texas/id-cards.php New ID Card Application 59 years old & younger – $16 (expires on birth date after 6 years). 60 years old & older – $6 (no expiration). ID Card Renewal59 years old & younger – $16 (expires after 6 years). 60 years old & older – $6 (no expiration). ID Card Replacement59 years old & younger – $11 (current expiration does not change). 60 years old & older – $11 (no expiration). Change of Name or Address59 years old & younger – $11 (current expiration does not change). 60 years old & older – $11 (no expiration). You have to pay money. It's a tax. To do something you have a constitutionally-guaranteed right to do without being taxed. End. You have to pay money for an item to be able to vote. Most people have that item. The item is a requirement to do other things. Not a tax to vote. It's a tax to have rights that you should have, but are required to prove that you have these rights. I wouldn't be opposed in voting season for the gov to give free IDs that expire in 3 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I wouldn't be opposed in voting season for the gov to give free IDs that expire in 3 days. Maybe our government should pay for that, too? http://www.usdebtclock.org/ 1 Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Wouldn't it make more sense to just give out free IDs that never expire? It would save a lot of money on printing. 1 Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I wouldn't be opposed in voting season for the gov to give free IDs that expire in 3 days. Maybe our government should pay for that, too? http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Okay, this was funny. (I'm out of likes for today) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Okay, this was funny. (I'm out of likes for today) There's always tomorrow. Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I wouldn't be opposed in voting season for the gov to give free IDs that expire in 3 days. Maybe our government should pay for that, too? http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Maybe the states, since it is theirs? Texas can handle it. Maybe not Cali or NY... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I wouldn't be opposed in voting season for the gov to give free IDs that expire in 3 days. Maybe our government should pay for that, too? http://www.usdebtclock.org/ Maybe the states, since it is theirs? Texas can handle it. Maybe not Cali or NY... It's all taxpayers' money in the end, so it really doesn't make a difference. If you're not opposed to issuing temporary IDs for free, why are you opposed to issuing permanent ones for free? Issuing permanent IDs is even cheaper. Of course, it's all academic anyway, as such requirements are still unconstitutional. If you want to do it, amend the Constitution. Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 How would free photo IDs be against the Constitution? And why would you care about something that small? It's not discrimination, since we let everyone who should vote vote? I hate this quote block message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambdadelta Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 How would free photo IDs be against the Constitution? Because the person has to go out of their way to front up to the DMV/clerk's office/whatever to have their photo taken and to retrieve their card, which costs them time - and time is money, this is time spent that they could be working instead. More than a few people have enough trouble getting time off work to vote let alone to get an ID. Quote There is no order and no meaning, there is only the truth of The Signal. The Signal ever transmits from here to the eyes and ears of the 'verse. Can't Stop The Signal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hereno Posted January 21, 2014 Share Posted January 21, 2014 Why on earth would the US government spend millions of dollars to fix a problem that isn't a problem at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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