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8 hours ago, Alastor said:

Rose is the number one alliance in score, arguably tiering, and total member count and has been for quite a long time. Far from victimized, Rose has seemingly benefitted the most out of all other alliances from the "system hand-crafted by Eclipse" that you claim. Curious.

It is only now in a war where you've completely rolled over, have a small alliance's worth of people in VM, and lost 1/3rd of your score that you have sank to the lowest point Rose has seen in years... Rank 2.

 

 

And yes I appreciate that an RoH got posted. Shoutout Vexz.

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I was interested in checking, to see city value over time of the alliances. Add about 120B in your head for E$ INFRAAVGbyturn.thumb.png.5a99a0309f98e6b9eed7d47e34fc9744.png

And here, avg infra over time, to visualize # wars, and how much those wars inflicted. 

 

6 hours ago, penpiko said:

For the sake of maximum fairness I went out of my way and included HoF, which isn't even considered part of KT. 

"Paragon,Shuba99M,Fumo,MCXA,Shuba10KM,Terminus Est,Penguin Party"
is what I have on the stats site. Don't think it makes a difference, maybe the eclipse ones do since they are all mega whales (but you've also missed a bunch of extensions on Rose's side). Not sure on the logic of including TFP/Yarr and all the Penta (Tetra?) alliances and avoiding doing similar for Eclipse, but I don't do FA. 
(I did initially think the spectre war was part of the same conflict, until it got peaced lol). 
 

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People complaining about other people not engaging in public FA.

Does anyone engage in public FA? 

Since I've been back I've seen like what 6-7 wars and usually the winning side posts a half assed DoW, and the losing side says like 2 words and that's the sum of all drama in the war.

Even in other areas like RON it's all fricking quiet. Hell the most active political response to this post right now is from @Shiho Nishizumiwho isn't even FA and isn't even in any of the alliances fighting.

Public FA is dead lmfao

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9 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

People complaining about other people not engaging in public FA.

Does anyone engage in public FA? 

Since I've been back I've seen like what 6-7 wars and usually the winning side posts a half assed DoW, and the losing side says like 2 words and that's the sum of all drama in the war.

Even in other areas like RON it's all fricking quiet. Hell the most active political response to this post right now is from @Shiho Nishizumiwho isn't even FA and isn't even in any of the alliances fighting.

Public FA is dead lmfao

TGH does

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25 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

People complaining about other people not engaging in public FA.

Does anyone engage in public FA? 

Since I've been back I've seen like what 6-7 wars and usually the winning side posts a half assed DoW, and the losing side says like 2 words and that's the sum of all drama in the war.

Even in other areas like RON it's all fricking quiet. Hell the most active political response to this post right now is from @Shiho Nishizumiwho isn't even FA and isn't even in any of the alliances fighting.

Public FA is dead lmfao

It's definitely gone downhill the more the game shifted from an actual polsim to a managerial game of sorts.

In my opinion, it's in a death loop where people don't engage in it because they deem it isn't worth it (especially relative to potential mistakes/risks), those people get worse at it due to not practicing it at all, which then reinforces the pattern of avoiding it. Some of the old hands can probably still do it if they wanted/cared enough, but that just circles back to its diminishing value due to how the game's evolved over the years.

It's tragic, but I suppose that it is what it is.

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Being part of Rose these last few months has felt very dull and empty. War, then massive span of NOTHING, then war again. The same old same old "safe" strategy just to keep the massive alliances afloat.

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So how was Partisan potentially right? The sphere system seems to lend itself more to the uplifting and amplifying of any given "major power" than to the rest. Even in situations when a sphere or bloc truly are co-equal and make mutual decisions, the political scene is gridlocked unless your "shot caller" is directly involved. This is enforced both by the other sphere leaders, who will sometimes stonewall political discussions unless you're with a major power -- and by the sphere followers, many who will defer to their sphere leader as the only decision maker in the bloc.

I'm calling it the vassalization of alliances many of whom are chained to their "master" alliances for years at a time without ever having the chance to start their own machinations or pursue their own agenda, if they have an agenda at all. Vassals, lapdogs, servile alliances have always existed in any meta but the sphere meta seems particularly harsh in ensuring that you must follow the leader, no matter what. There is no option other than to choose another leader to follow.

I will also point out that the cultural enforcement of the sphere system has begun to blur over time. Lingering cross-sphere ties are seemingly present everywhere with unwritten rules governing the true state of these ties: Are they going to be honored? Are they going to be enforced? Maybe, is the answer. You'd have to ask and it depends on the day. There is also the issue of new spheres and their inability to form a competitive bloc despite they themselves being a strong central force that might otherwise exert a sphere of influence if the system was not so rigid.

 

Sketchy, Shiho, you want more public FA? This post has two purposes: A public departure, and the creation of something new.
Glory to the Probability Space Hypervessel! DoE coming soon, once I can cobble one together.

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16 hours ago, Koala said:

I would like to thank the PnW servers for standing up for themselves and providing the only valid cb in PnW history!

 

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12 minutes ago, Mima said:

Being part of Rose these last few months has felt very dull and empty. War, then massive span of NOTHING, then war again. The same old same old "safe" strategy just to keep the massive alliances afloat.

Welcome to politics and war?  

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2 minutes ago, George said:

Welcome to politics and war?  

You don't get it, do you? What this game has devolved into was a mistake. How FA has "evolved" from the apparent days of old has been a mistake. This whole dang war is proof of such.

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16 hours ago, Koala said:

I would like to thank the PnW servers for standing up for themselves and providing the only valid cb in PnW history!

 

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14 minutes ago, Mima said:

Being part of Rose these last few months has felt very dull and empty. War, then massive span of NOTHING, then war again. The same old same old "safe" strategy just to keep the massive alliances afloat.

Sketchy, Shiho, you want more public FA? This post has two purposes: A public departure, and the creation of something new.
Glory to the Probability Space Hypervessel! DoE coming soon, once I can cobble one together.

Arrgh is accepting applications, but if dodging wars is your thing I’m not sure they’d want you either. 

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3 minutes ago, Mima said:

You don't get it, do you? What this game has devolved into was a mistake. How FA has "evolved" from the apparent days of old has been a mistake. This whole dang war is proof of such.

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7 minutes ago, -Mike- said:

dodging wars is your thing I’m not sure they’d want you either

I'm not dodging wars. I did enough war for y'all. I'm setting out on my own.

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16 hours ago, Koala said:

I would like to thank the PnW servers for standing up for themselves and providing the only valid cb in PnW history!

 

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44 minutes ago, Sketchy said:

@Shiho Nishizumiapparently our prayers have been answered, the messiah has arisen, to lead us all to the promised land.

I for one can't wait to see a new 5 man raiding AA arise. Truly the change we all need.

IS IT ANOTHER "PIRATE" TURRETING ALLIANCE?!

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7 hours ago, Kan0601 said:

I won’t lie you guys do have a lot of numbers too lmao. Penta TGH sphere plus Penta ties to TFP Sing. Didn’t you guys like work with all of them to hit T$ sphere which was 1/5 then added in EVH after Penta wanted to hit them while promising you wouldn’t behind close doors? 

Kind of sure you guys have also been coasting under the radar and doing this nap thing. You got 6 month nap with T$ then 4 month with EVH. 

My point is why so mad when others do to you what you did to them lol? 

I don't really agree with your line of thinking on our connection to other alliances, but if I tunnel down that perspective then Eclipsphere would surely now include TKR (really all of House) and definitely Spectre and others. Further inflating their numbers.

With respect to Rose participating in the NAP cycle meta. This goes to further reinforce my point about Eclipse fundamentally shaping the meta we live in now, as they not only initiated this meta but continues to push it both directly and indirectly. Rose and several others have since followed that lead for the same reasons others have followed not speaking all that publicly as of late.

4 hours ago, Danzek said:

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I was interested in checking, to see city value over time of the alliances. Add about 120B in your head for E$ INFRAAVGbyturn.png?ex=6768621c&is=6767109c&hm=9d4b9847fa767f672fd7260ed3596e41815a936ad56c28f0601124f7ea75dba4&

And here, avg infra over time, to visualize # wars, and how much those wars inflicted. 

 

"Paragon,Shuba99M,Fumo,MCXA,Shuba10KM,Terminus Est,Penguin Party"
is what I have on the stats site. Don't think it makes a difference, maybe the eclipse ones do since they are all mega whales (but you've also missed a bunch of extensions on Rose's side). Not sure on the logic of including TFP/Yarr and all the Penta (Tetra?) alliances and avoiding doing similar for Eclipse, but I don't do FA. 
(I did initially think the spectre war was part of the same conflict, until it got peaced lol). 
 

Thanks for the data, Borg. Definitely fascinating to see the numbers, they paint a good picture. 

2 hours ago, Sketchy said:

People complaining about other people not engaging in public FA.

Does anyone engage in public FA? 

Since I've been back I've seen like what 6-7 wars and usually the winning side posts a half assed DoW, and the losing side says like 2 words and that's the sum of all drama in the war.

Even in other areas like RON it's all fricking quiet. Hell the most active political response to this post right now is from @Shiho Nishizumiwho isn't even FA and isn't even in any of the alliances fighting.

Public FA is dead lmfao

Um, Sketchy. You're taking things too far. This is clearly a meme post, serious discussion will not be tolerated.

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9 minutes ago, Krameleon said:

I don't really agree with your line of thinking on our connection to other alliances, but if I tunnel down that perspective then Eclipsphere would surely now include TKR (really all of House) and definitely Spectre and others. Further inflating their numbers.

Ok but you agree that you guys are big and it did technically take 2 sphere to actually manage to hit you guys. (Only reason this war was over so fast was because of the surprise hit no one expected and the double but advantage) or this war would have been a very hard and even fight. 

Also on the topic of links I didn’t know eclipse was linked to house but ok. 

Spec yes would be in the eclipse sphere but we weren’t invited to the hit, we launched on penta because of our other allies asking us to help. 

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