[ROH] Hypocrisy Hall of Fame

[EvilPiggyFooFoo]

I don’t like writing long political theses that create bitter grudges, the game is meant to be fun. I try to keep my FA and DOWs light hearted, but with the amount of hypocrisy that exists in this coalition, enjoy my wall of text.

 

Tl;Dr: 

1. We created EVH with the hope of breaking political stagnation and bipolarism, to that end, we aimed to reset relations with Rose, SIN, and TGH. All three agreed and promised the coalition would not target EVH, only to dogpile us days later.

2. Rose is on their high horse claiming moral superiority as their CB. Rose, the greatest dogpiler in PnW history, is claiming moral superiority. Not only did they never communicate their discontent with the TI war, they also refused TI’s attempts to get protection from them. Stop pretending that you actually care.

3. During the Guardian-HS war, TFP failed to defend their M with CTO. In January, we chose not to press this CB in hopes of resetting relations. Now they’re repaid that goodwill with a war on the basis that we didn’t stop t$ from blitzing them.

 

Preface:

Less juicy details here but I think this is important context.

EVH was created because Jax, Xi, and I were frustrated with political stagnation and the predictability of wars. We aimed to form a war-focused alliance that could disrupt this trend with a more independent and forward-looking FA style.

Speaking for myself - I came as a pirate from Arrgh. For my year in CTO leadership, we were as independent as you could get. We never officially joined any sphere (M TFP and O Eclipse, paperless, and then M Aurora O KT) and we worked across the aisle to join conflicts. It might not have been perfect, but I tried to make things a bit different. We ran the risk of getting hit (and we did three times) but that was a good trade off for being able to keep things dynamic.

When we formed EVH, it was our intention to leave SAIL and shake things up. We communicated this to t$ in formation and in the months leading up to the eventual break up. To that end, we aimed to reset relations with those we had been in conflicts with (Rose, TGH, SIN, TFP etc.) and see a path forward beyond repeat wars. But here we are.

 

Re: Resetting Relations

• Rose, SIN, and TGH—you each committed to resetting relations and agreed that we wouldn’t target each other this war cycle. We reaffirmed this multiple times, you publicly declared the relation reset, and EVH honored it. But, all three of you broke that agreement. I don’t need to really emphasize how egregious this is.
• You could have prosecuted this war with Guardian-Oblivion-AA-Penta-TFP and won. We wouldn’t have complained and fought with a smile on our faces. But no, you were so scared of EVH-KT-LOD you chose to break 3 agreements and bring the whole gang for a 4 v 1.
• Why should any alliances bother resetting relations with you in the future?
• Let me quickly remind everyone that CTO and Aurora were bitter rivals two years ago, we’ve reset relations and merged. CTO and HS relations are now amicable after a pretty nasty war. We have done our part again and again, it's not us, it's you.

 

Re: Rose CB

Rose’s entire CB both publicly and privately hinges on “At the end of the day you tried to kick [The Immortals] while down, there is no "fancy" way to FA that will make my point more than that. What you did was ethically wrong and deserved a response” (to quote George). Funny you should say that.

1. We received zero communication that you disapproved of the war
   • You knew about this conflict three weeks in advance and had every opportunity to tell us, “This isn’t cool.” You didn’t. So, either a) you didn’t care and are now using this as an excuse, or b) you wanted TI to get rolled so you could make this claim.
2. You rejected TI when they sought to join your coalition
   • They knew about the war weeks in advance and asked to join the coalition, but you said no. They probably reached out for a treaty too at some point. If you truly cared, why throw TI under the bus unless it served your own interests?
3. Even if what EVH did was so morally reprehensible, are you really one to talk? Since I came back to the game in 2022, every offensive war you declared was a dog pile.
   • The first offensive war I watched was when you rolled a freshly rebuilt Cata-Paradise (from Bifrost Blitz) in a dogpile.
   • Your next offensive war was Darkest Hour. Where 70% of the game rolled T$-Eclipse.
   • Your next offensive was Blue Balls, where you worked with House and a remilitarized CIS to blitz SAIL.
   • Recently, you did a 4 v 1 dogpile on T$. And moved to EVH.
   • Your entire alliance history of offensive wars is dogpiles on dogpiles, get off your high horse.

 

Re: TFP CB

• This one is particularly ironic. In 2023, TFP failed to defend CTO when Guardian blitzed us, giving us a valid CB for revenge against TFP. However, in January 2024, CTO chose not to prosecute this CB, aiming to keep our relationship amicable. We were even invited to act on it but chose to limit our involvement.
• Shwin, I gave you as much of a heads-up as possible that the Jan war was coming. We've explained this to you in DMs, making every effort to reset relations and move forward. Yet, despite our attempts, you chose to hold onto a grudge that you started.

 

Re: TI + Penta

• Penta has a valid CB. I will give them that. As does TI in the future. I am not here to shit on them like the other two, I am just here to explain our decision calculus for why we are at war with them.
• We prosecuted those wars because there were no other viable options. I envisioned EVH as a war-focused alliance, not one that sits in peace for a year. However, given the FA landscape and the fact that everyone is tied up in treaties or NAPs, they were the only options available.
• The wars were lopsided and not what I wanted. Penta would have been a great fight—one alliance against a sphere. I had hoped TI would be better prepared after 14 months of peace (before the last war). Still, we chose to fight rather than sit and farm, and for that, I do apologize.
• That being said, the least Rose/TFP and the rest can do is admit when wars are fought for the sake of fun like us rather than hide behind some cloak of righteousness playing high and mighty.

 

In summary, this is an open letter to the FA community. Everyone yaps about how they wish the game was more multipolar and dynamic, but no one is willing to do it. I now see why—resetting relations and making commitments across the aisle only leads to being dogpiled by hypocrites. So to everyone in the coalition, if you're serious about changing the FA landscape, start by getting off your high horses and honoring your words.

 

Edited August 24 by EvilPiggyFooFoo

[James II]

[Xi Jinping]

8 minutes ago, EvilPiggyFooFoo said:

I don’t like writing long political theses that create bitter grudges, the game is meant to be fun. I try to keep my FA and DOWs light hearted, but with the amount of hypocrisy that exists in this coalition, enjoy my wall of text.

 

Tl;Dr: 

1. We created EVH with the hope of breaking political stagnation and bipolarism, to that end, we aimed to reset relations with Rose, SIN, and TGH. All three agreed and promised the coalition would not target EVH, only to dogpile us days later.

2. Rose is on their high horse claiming moral superiority as their CB. Rose, the greatest dogpiler in PnW history, is claiming moral superiority. Not only did they never communicate their discontent with the TI war, they also refused TI’s attempts to get protection from them. Stop pretending that you actually care.

3. During the Guardian-HS war, TFP failed to defend their M with CTO. In January, we chose not to press this CB in hopes of resetting relations. Now they’re repaid that goodwill with a war on the basis that we didn’t stop t$ from blitzing them.

 

Preface:

Less juicy details here but I think this is important context.

EVH was created because Jax, Xi, and I were frustrated with political stagnation and the predictability of wars. We aimed to form a war-focused alliance that could disrupt this trend with a more independent and forward-looking FA style.

Speaking for myself - I came as a pirate from Arrgh. For my year in CTO leadership, we were as independent as you could get. We never officially joined any sphere (M TFP and O Eclipse, paperless, and then M Aurora O KT) and we worked across the aisle to join conflicts. It might not have been perfect, but I tried to make things a bit different. We ran the risk of getting hit (and we did three times) but that was a good trade off for being able to keep things dynamic.

When we formed EVH, it was our intention to leave SAIL and shake things up. We communicated this to t$ in formation and in the months leading up to the eventual break up. To that end, we aimed to reset relations with those we had been in conflicts with (Rose, TGH, SIN, TFP etc.) and see a path forward beyond repeat wars. But here we are.

 

Re: Resetting Relations

• Rose, SIN, and TGH—you each committed to resetting relations and agreed that we wouldn’t target each other this war cycle. We reaffirmed this multiple times, you publicly declared the relation reset, and EVH honored it. But, all three of you broke that agreement. I don’t need to really emphasize how egregious this is.
• You could have prosecuted this war with Guardian-Oblivion-AA-Penta-TFP and won. We wouldn’t have complained and fought with a smile on our faces. But no, you were so scared of EVH-KT-LOD you chose to break 3 agreements and bring the whole gang for a 4 v 1.
• Why should any alliances bother resetting relations with you in the future?
• Let me quickly remind everyone that CTO and Aurora were bitter rivals two years ago, we’ve reset relations and merged. CTO and HS relations are now amicable after a pretty nasty war. We have done our part again and again, it's not us, it's you.

 

Re: Rose CB

Rose’s entire CB both publicly and privately hinges on “At the end of the day you tried to kick [The Immortals] while down, there is no "fancy" way to FA that will make my point more than that. What you did was ethically wrong and deserved a response” (to quote George). Funny you should say that.

1. We received zero communication that you disapproved of the war
   • You knew about this conflict three weeks in advance and had every opportunity to tell us, “This isn’t cool.” You didn’t. So, either a) you didn’t care and are now using this as an excuse, or b) you wanted TI to get rolled so you could make this claim.
2. You rejected TI when they sought to join your coalition
   • They knew about the war weeks in advance and asked to join the coalition, but you said no. They probably reached out for a treaty too at some point. If you truly cared, why throw TI under the bus unless it served your own interests?
3. Even if what EVH did was so morally reprehensible, are you really one to talk? Since I came back to the game in 2022, every offensive war you declared was a dog pile.
   • The first offensive war I watched was when you rolled a freshly rebuilt Cata-Paradise (from Bifrost Blitz) in a dogpile.
   • Your next offensive war was Darkest Hour. Where 70% of the game rolled T$-Eclipse.
   • Your next offensive was Blue Balls, where you worked with House and a remilitarized CIS to blitz SAIL.
   • Recently, you did a 4 v 1 dogpile on T$. And moved to EVH.
   • Your entire alliance history of offensive wars is dogpiles on dogpiles, get off your high horse.

 

Re: TFP CB

• This one is particularly ironic. In 2023, TFP failed to defend CTO when Guardian blitzed us, giving us a valid CB for revenge against TFP. However, in January 2024, CTO chose not to prosecute this CB, aiming to keep our relationship amicable. We were even invited to act on it but chose to limit our involvement.
• Shwin, I gave you as much of a heads-up as possible that the Jan war was coming. We've explained this to you in DMs, making every effort to reset relations and move forward. Yet, despite our attempts, you chose to hold onto a grudge that you started.

 

Re: TI + Penta

• Penta has a valid CB. I will give them that. As does TI in the future. I am not here to shit on them like the other two, I am just here to explain our decision calculus for why we are at war with them.
• We prosecuted those wars because there were no other viable options. I envisioned EVH as a war-focused alliance, not one that sits in peace for a year. However, given the FA landscape and the fact that everyone is tied up in treaties or NAPs, they were the only options available.
• The wars were lopsided and not what I wanted. Penta would have been a great fight—one alliance against a sphere. I had hoped TI would be better prepared after 14 months of peace (before the last war). Still, we chose to fight rather than sit and farm, and for that, I do apologize.
• That being said, the least y’all can do is admit when wars are fought for the sake of fun like us rather than hide behind some cloak of righteousness playing high and mighty.

 

In summary, this is an open letter to the FA community. Everyone yaps about how they wish the game was more multipolar and dynamic, but no one is willing to do it. I now see why—resetting relations and making commitments across the aisle only leads to being dogpiled by hypocrites. So to everyone in the coalition, if you're serious about changing the FA landscape, start by getting off your high horses and honoring your words.

 

very based

[Spoeb]

i mean... she is right (sent before i even finished bruh)

we all whine about not having enough war in this game and how much PnW is dying, but then we choose to roll the alliances that are keeping the game alive. (and as much as people dont directly say it, every time an alliance is rolled a piece of it dies.)

T$ is known for its large playerbase of more senior members but it does embrace new recruits and teaches them how to become functional beings in this game, same with EVH. IK that isnt relevent to the CB as such but its true.

 

final edit, omg i just said a lot without saying anything...

 

Edited August 23 by Spoeb

[Captain Hans]

Preach 

[Elesh Norn]

Amen

[Robert2424]

At least someone said it. No Lies were said. 

[Th3BanaN4]

I suppose when we are at a point where we have to be serious about our RoH, then we are pretty serious about it. 

[Sketchy]

I'm not going to get into the weeds on this, other than to say, Sing has not publicly made a declaration of war nor attempted to prosecute the plethora of valid reasons we could have entered this war if we wanted to, for a reason.

We still are of the opinion a reset of relations is feasible, but that doesn't immediately mean we should put aside our own priorities nor prioritize you over coalition partners who wanted our help. We consider our score with you settled, and our disposition neutral.

That's about all I feel we need to say on the matter. The bulk of this post is directed at other alliances.

[ExStratos]

17 minutes ago, EvilPiggyFooFoo said:

• That being said, the least y’all can do is admit when wars are fought for the sake of fun like us rather than hide behind some cloak of righteousness playing high and mighty.

 

I'm not really understanding your point here. Yes we like having wars for the sake of fun like almost every other alliance. It sounds like you're more upset with the fact that we decided to use a valid political roleplay cb instead of just admitting we were doing it for fun? Politics is in the name of the game. 

[Lasso]

Based

[SleepingNinja]

It's pretty pathetic state that anyone with half a brain could have called this happening over 4 months ago while having 0 involvement in high gov FA or back knowhow. I'd say do better but this is par the course for this game.

[LachlanPnW]

[Szgwuere Ceegzuuhuuk]

I see FA

I say DRACARYS 

:srs:

[D13tCoke]

let him cook

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[Zhao]

Well spoken.

 

[Tech]

I can't believe they've done this! I'm gonna circumcise their infrastructure in retribution for the crimes committed against our glorious Event Horizon! No high infra target shall go unscathed! 

[Tiberius Aurion]

Stay strong boys. 🤙

[George Clooney]

57 minutes ago, ExStratos said:

I'm not really understanding your point here. Yes we like having wars for the sake of fun like almost every other alliance. It sounds like you're more upset with the fact that we decided to use a valid political roleplay cb instead of just admitting we were doing it for fun? Politics is in the name of the game. 

You are missing the point entirely.  No one loves a duckroll.  It's lazy, the people getting rolled certainly aren't having fun, and indeed even the people doing the rolling quickly get bored.  The political dynamic needs to change.  EVH was trying to change it. 

[864G]

lmao based

[BettaChecka]

You underestimate the average EVH member's enjoyment for losing wars, the more dogpile the more fun they can be lol

56 minutes ago, George Clooney said:

You are missing the point entirely.  No one loves a duckroll.  It's lazy, the people getting rolled certainly aren't having fun, and indeed even the people doing the rolling quickly get bored.  The political dynamic needs to change.  EVH was trying to change it. 

 

[The Icy Parliment]

THANK YOU!

[BigMorf]

2 hours ago, Sketchy said:

I'm not going to get into the weeds on this, other than to say, Sing has not publicly made a declaration of war nor attempted to prosecute the plethora of valid reasons we could have entered this war if we wanted to, for a reason.

We still are of the opinion a reset of relations is feasible, but that doesn't immediately mean we should put aside our own priorities nor prioritize you over coalition partners who wanted our help. We consider our score with you settled, and our disposition neutral.

That's about all I feel we need to say on the matter. The bulk of this post is directed at other alliances.

Sketchy my friend, 

With you saying all that you have to say on the matter you have doomed this post to nothingness. You sure you don't want to write a text wall just for fun since we know Rose and the others won't? pls I need stuff to read while eating my irradiated popcorn. 

[JaxTeller]

2 hours ago, Sketchy said:

I'm not going to get into the weeds on this, other than to say, Sing has not publicly made a declaration of war nor attempted to prosecute the plethora of valid reasons we could have entered this war if we wanted to, for a reason.

We still are of the opinion a reset of relations is feasible, but that doesn't immediately mean we should put aside our own priorities nor prioritize you over coalition partners who wanted our help. We consider our score with you settled, and our disposition neutral.

That's about all I feel we need to say on the matter. The bulk of this post is directed at other alliances.

[Sketchy]

51 minutes ago, BigMorf said:

Sketchy my friend, 

With you saying all that you have to say on the matter you have doomed this post to nothingness. You sure you don't want to write a text wall just for fun since we know Rose and the others won't? pls I need stuff to read while eating my irradiated popcorn. 

Bro I typed that shit quickly on my phone, I have enough wall of text responses to write in certain other threads when I get home.

Besides even seals don't do tricks until they get a treat.