WISD0MTREE Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 We should be able to spy on alliance banks to see how much is in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stetonic Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 How would the alliance bank be able to defend such an action as having it so you can spy would mean having a way to defend 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grillick Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 We should be able to spy on alliance banks to see how much is in there. You can. It's called getting a GA victory against a member. 4 Quote "It's hard to be a team player when you're omnipotent." - Q Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashland Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 You can. It's called getting a GA victory against a member. Something tells me that going that route will... hm... tip the person's hand a bit. 1 Quote ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [10:47] you used to be the voice of irc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklaus Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Use a human spy Jokes aside, spying an alliance bank shouldn't be so easy. Take the tough route. Win a war. 2 Quote Blood of a king. Heart of a lion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 You can. It's called getting a GA victory against a member. Jokes aside, spying an alliance bank shouldn't be so easy. Take the tough route. Win a war. spy verb \ˈspī\ : to try secretly to get information about a country, organization, etc. : to act as a spy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Fifths Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 Beige the opponent in the specific alliance and do math? Quote "In an honest service there is thin commons, low wages, and hard labor; in this, plenty and satiety, pleasure and ease, liberty and power; and who would not balance creditor on this side, when all the hazard that is run for it, at worst, is only a sour look or two at choking. No, a merry life and a short one, shall be my motto." - Bartholomew "Black Bart" Roberts Green Enforcement Agency will rise again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashland Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 spy verb \ˈspī\ : to try secretly to get information about a country, organization, etc. : to act as a spy Yeah. Quote ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [10:47] you used to be the voice of irc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted December 23, 2014 Author Share Posted December 23, 2014 Beige the opponent in the specific alliance and do math? spy verb \ˈspī\ : to try secretly to get information about a country, organization, etc. : to act as a spy "Oh, hello <alliance>. I have declared war on one of your members just to see what you have in your bank. Please ignore." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohu Posted December 23, 2014 Share Posted December 23, 2014 (edited) Maybe make it so that an alliances total spy count are used to qualify it. The action can only be done by the leader of the alliance and uses their bank cash to fund the operations and doing so uses every spy action for the entire alliance that day. Naturally this would give alliances further incentive to build spies and would represent a significant action to actually do it. Getting caught would also be a direct cause for war... it'd be an interesting mechanic for sure. Edited December 23, 2014 by Thulium 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenages Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Something tells me that going that route will... hm... tip the person's hand a bit. spy verb \ˈspī\ : to try secretly to get information about a country, organization, etc. : to act as a spy "Oh, hello <alliance>. I have declared war on one of your members just to see what you have in your bank. Please ignore." That's hardly an insurmountable obstacle. In fact, with most alliances, it's trivial to get info on what's in the bank by beiging a member without tipping the alliance in question off. A) Hire someone you trust, in an unaffiliated group to beige them for you. They then tell you what was in the bank. B ) Smaller and inactive alliance members are raided all the time. Look at the bank transactions of the nations that raider them. It tells you exactly what they received, and what % of the bank it was. (This is how the Marionette Coalition found out what was in TC banks pre war) Edited December 24, 2014 by Tenages 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenages Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 Maybe make it so that an alliances total spy count are used to qualify it. The action can only be done by the leader of the alliance and uses their bank cash to fund the operations and doing so uses every spy action for the entire alliance that day. Naturally this would give alliances further incentive to build spies and would represent a significant action to actually do it. Getting caught would also be a direct cause for war... it'd be an interesting mechanic for sure. The obvious problem with this is if it's based on alliance spy count, it's hugely biased towards large alliances. Small groups are !@#$ed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayayay Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) What about small alliances? Edit: Edited December 24, 2014 by underlordgc 1 Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklaus Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) spy verb \ˈspī\ : to try secretly to get information about a country, organization, etc. : to act as a spy Information gathering by beiging can be done covertly as Tenages already mentioned. Just look at the raid history of the targeted alliance and if anyone of them was rogued recently and was beiged in the process, the war report generated thereby is available for viewing by any player. "Oh, hello <alliance>. I have declared war on one of your members just to see what you have in your bank. Please ignore." "Your spy attack on X alliance has failed and your identity has been revealed. You must militarize now as the war you were planning to declare on your unsuspecting enemies in a week will probably happen sooner now." "Alliance X, please ignore our spy attack. We were just playing with the mechanics and trying out our new toys!" Edited December 24, 2014 by Niklaus Quote Blood of a king. Heart of a lion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outburst Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I'm going to agree with everyone else. I don't think there is a way to fairly protect the smaller alliances if it is based on spy count alone. I could possibly envision average spy count being a way to protect smaller alliances, however. Then again, I still think beiging an alliance member should be the way to obtain the information if it isnt available in a war report already as mentioned above. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WISD0MTREE Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 "Your spy attack on X alliance has failed and your identity has been revealed. You must militarize now as the war you were planning to declare on your unsuspecting enemies in a week will probably happen sooner now." "Alliance X, please ignore our spy attack. We were just playing with the mechanics and trying out our new toys!" Don't get caught Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greene Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Yeah I'm against this one. If you want to find out how much is in another alliance's bank, just go ahead and use the human method. Get one of your newer/smaller/less politically known members to "resign" and join the other alliance. Quote Formerly known as Grealind of Resvernas (28 October 2014-29 August 2017) and Greene of Japan (29 August 2017-28 Septmber 2017) 7th Caretaker of Duat, the Deity Thoth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niklaus Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Don't get caught "Your spy attack against alliance X has succeeded." Alliance X: "We have been spied by someone" All that alliance X has to do now is make a list of alliances which could have spied on it (like an alliance which has a higher spy count than it, if it is based on total spy count). Then it has to narrow it down to one or two alliances. Easily done when you consider factors like military buildup and your past history with suspected attackers. After that it can just confirm its intel. Or even if it does not, a smart alliance would start preparing by now. I don't really see how this is better than than the beiging tactic. That's all. Quote Blood of a king. Heart of a lion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erin Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 I tentatively support this suggestion, and I'm not really seeing why the chance of a spy attempt on another alliance can't be balanced between big and small alliances by also making the chance proportional to an alliance's score/power/whatever overall. Maybe with regards to military or spy score vs. infrastructure: we already have the game bugging people constantly if your military score is below 10% of your nation's overall score, so why can't spy score ratio among nations in an alliance - perhaps averaged or weighted toward big alliance members who can field more spies - work similarly in determining the proportional chance of an alliance spying attempt's success? Then, on top of that, maybe make it less likely to succeed, or proportionally far more costly, to run a spy attempt on another alliance bank as opposed to running spy attempts on another nation's stockpiles. If you want to further discourage cost-to-hit discrepancies between big and small alliances in inter-alliance espionage, maybe have it such that having a larger or smaller number of nations and/or average score than the alliance you're spying on incurs a higher cost for an espionage run than for an alliance with equal or nearly equal stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoS Posted December 25, 2014 Share Posted December 25, 2014 Seems like you should be able to spy an individual's bank transactions and construct an estimate from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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