[DOW] - Foreign Agent Detected

[ToxicPepper]

 

 

The Assassins of the Dark Brotherhood are plentiful and patient. They await but a few words from the Night Mother to act, and tonight, the Night Mother has spoken. Whispers of treacherous actions against the Dark Brotherhood and our allies have been heard and uncovered by our Night Mother. The treacherous agents of The Sword Coast, once cloaked in the guise of friendship, have revealed their true colors. Their daggers aimed not at our enemies but at our very hearts. They have infiltrated our ranks, stealing secrets like thieves in the night, all in service to a foreign power, The Knights Radiant. Let them tremble in fear as we descend upon them, swift and silent as the reaper's kiss. Let them face the consequences of their betrayal, as they face the full wrath of the Dark Brotherhood. For tonight, under the watchful gaze of the Night Mother, there shall be no mercy. Only the cold embrace of oblivion awaits those who dare to cross us. On the orders of the Night Mother, we will go after those traitors and ensure they face the consequences of their treacherous actions.

TLDR: The Dark Brotherhood declares war on The Sword Coast for stealing OPSEC information for The Knights Radiant.

Long Live The Dark Brotherhood!
 

[Leftbehind]

Like old times my friend

[Viktor Boogerham]

Hail Sithis!

[Pubstomper]

Oh you wanted a second in the spotlight too, welcome  

[Ronjoy Tehmina]

Awkward moment

[Corvidae]

8 minutes ago, ToxicPepper said:

TLDR: The Dark Brotherhood declares war on The Sword Coast for stealing OPSEC information for The Knights Radiant.

TL;DR - you made something up and dragged an alliance that you essentially couped into a war.

To the actual membership of DB: Welcome to the war, have fun.

[Ayayay]

7 minutes ago, ToxicPepper said:

TLDR: The Dark Brotherhood declares war on The Sword Coast for stealing OPSEC information for The Knights Radiant.

 

imagine being so salty over your active members jumping ship you have to make up bullshit lmfao

[Sargun]

anyone who makes alastor mad is alright with me

[Benfro]

Y'all are gonna have to explain what exactly they stole for TKR. You can accuse them of stealing then they can defend themselves at least. But I'm real confused here on how TKR is involved other than just "orange man bad."

[Ramona]

43 minutes ago, ToxicPepper said:

Only the cold embrace of oblivion awaits those who dare to cross us.

🙀🙀🙀🙀🙀

[Charlie Wilhumt]

TLDR clowns

[Mayor]

I hope all my Media friends have a fun war, you're all awesome.

[Baldwin lV]

Sad to be fighting Ronjoy’s alliance😪

[Tiberius Aurion]

3 hours ago, ToxicPepper said:

 

 

The Assassins of the Dark Brotherhood are plentiful and patient. They await but a few words from the Night Mother to act, and tonight, the Night Mother has spoken. Whispers of treacherous actions against the Dark Brotherhood and our allies have been heard and uncovered by our Night Mother. The treacherous agents of The Sword Coast, once cloaked in the guise of friendship, have revealed their true colors. Their daggers aimed not at our enemies but at our very hearts. They have infiltrated our ranks, stealing secrets like thieves in the night, all in service to a foreign power, The Knights Radiant. Let them tremble in fear as we descend upon them, swift and silent as the reaper's kiss. Let them face the consequences of their betrayal, as they face the full wrath of the Dark Brotherhood. For tonight, under the watchful gaze of the Night Mother, there shall be no mercy. Only the cold embrace of oblivion awaits those who dare to cross us. On the orders of the Night Mother, we will go after those traitors and ensure they face the consequences of their treacherous actions.

TLDR: The Dark Brotherhood declares war on The Sword Coast for stealing OPSEC information for The Knights Radiant.

Long Live The Dark Brotherhood!
 

 

[naTia]

TP wildin fr

[Eli Gemstone]

All Hail Brother @ToxicPepper

[Big Mac]

 

No hard feelings TSC xx

 

[Pubstomper]

*Enter a war because specifically !@#$ TSC for spying*
*Give no elaboration*

"JK actually TSC is cool but they tried poaching......" 

 

SO happy to be in one of the only alliances ya'll are on good terms with. 

[ToxicPepper]

11 hours ago, Alastor said:

TL;DR - you made something up and dragged an alliance that you essentially couped into a war.

To the actual membership of DB: Welcome to the war, have fun.

Nothing is made up here. You can lie to your government and members all you like. You accepted access to OPSEC sphere channels while secretly and conveniently leaving out the fact you were looking to sign a whole other sphere. You then took OPSEC information from those chats to TKR. One day your members will realize your true loyalties to TKR. Maybe this time you’ll get a better merge offer 4+ cities.

 

Couped DB? I must be the worst person to have done a coup, considering there has been no changes in leadership since I’ve been here.

[Solomon Ben-David]

1 hour ago, ToxicPepper said:

Nothing is made up here. You can lie to your government and members all you like. You accepted access to OPSEC sphere channels while secretly and conveniently leaving out the fact you were looking to sign a whole other sphere. You then took OPSEC information from those chats to TKR. One day your members will realize your true loyalties to TKR. Maybe this time you’ll get a better merge offer 4+ cities.

So it seems time to actually clarify a few things and explain to the world why this is just 100% false.

First, Toxic, Dark Brotherhood was never part of the discussion that formed CIS. You all joined after it was more or less concluded and were kept to the peripherals level. So unless Singularity wants to back you up here you're arguing that we witnessed OPSEC you didn't. I have zero idea how you managed to get this perspective.

Second: I have yet to actually see proof of us allegedly giving any information to TKR. That's not how we roll at all. Actually, let be buff this with some facts on us ending our MDoAP with Singularity and signing House, from someone who was actually a party to these discussions:

• We had been having a few issues with Sing at the time due to some differences in perspective and were trying to figure out what we wanted.
• TKR reached out and was looking to work in a collaborative environment with us. We were interested, and we took the offer.
• We said goodbye to Singularity on (at least from my recollection) good terms.

I'm not one to leak OPSEC on an old ally, especially one where we were happy to leave on good terms simply due to a difference in perspective. And again, where do you fit into this?

Third: "Maybe this time you'll get a better merge offer 4+ cities"? Aside from the questionable clarity of this phrase, I don't know what this is referring to lol. While we have denied merges, it's mostly because we want to work on growing from the ground up, which seems to have worked well considering we're sitting around #20 in peacetime less than half a year into starting an alliance from zero.

Thus, I have yet to see any specific proof or clarity regarding these claims, and you're making these claims without being a party to some of the things you're making claims about. My DMs are, of course, open as always. Considering you've always been quite cheerful and happy to work together in them, I'm sure that we can find some sort of agreement.

Edited May 18, 2024 by Solomon Ben-David

[Leftbehind]

6 hours ago, Big Mac said:

 

No hard feelings TSC xx

 

Can confirm that Base was attempting to poach me. Unbelievable really, imagine trying to poach someone from such a respectful alliance. 

[Pubstomper]

As another member of the /some/ of the conversations being referenced by Logistics. There was never any intent to go sign another sphere. 

 

There is a lot of talk for the forums being dead and lack of transparency because only the secret cabal knows the happenings and I'm beginning to notice this aspect can very easily be weaponized. I have had others approach me regarding an issue of information transferred from one bloc to another by TSC, and none have actually given me any details on what that information even was. But the bigger point is - why does it matter?

If alliance a is treatied to alliance b, and then after a war and FA shuffle they are working with different MDP allies is it not assumed they would exercise the uses of a PIAT? You claim that it was intentional due to no plans to stay in our place at the time but that is outright wrong. I know this because initially when the war was coming to an end we found ourselves in a difficult spot on whether to commit to Sing who had done a LOT to help us in our starting months so far as to shield us from the war, or t$ who stepped in as the opposition of Sing but offered us safety from the war. As everyone saw, we didn't end up with either one and a large part of this is due to the rivalry and complications they had with one another, and we did not want to insert ourselves in the middle of two groups we have only been treated kindly by. If there was a secret connection and plan to jump over to TKR the entire time then there was some incredible actors (including myself) with some strong opinions about that decision while debating internally. I suppose next time we will have to post a PIAT with any MDPs to make sure our good friends DB don't jump on us in a war they had no obligation to again. 

 

Now ignoring all of that. DB was not present in CIS at the time of us having those deliberations. DB was not in any of the channel full of awkward discussion with TSC failing to commit to "bloc up" with Sing. If there was information exchanged that crossed the line, as there totally can be, but strategically speaking - is unlikely why are we not being attacked by CIS for this? Why was this not attempted to be restored diplomatically? TP went smearing Roberts name on a news server recently and we DMd about it but that's not exactly a good faith start to diplomatic discourse. 

The war was decided with or without DB entering. Congratulate yourselves for your fruits of war as you attack the people you labeled "friends" in a war they have mostly been downdeclared on - you've earned it. 

[naTia]

Do not believe the fallacious arguments of my government. ToxicPepper has laid out a bulletproof case that I believe is strong enough to topple the house of cards (get it) that is the Robertspierre / Kim Jong Umar hegemony. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds, and if TSC stays standing at the conclusion of this war it will be proof there is no justice in this cruel, pixelated world. All hail TP. Call ‘em Light Brotherhood way they be illuminating this travesty.

[ToxicPepper]

4 hours ago, Solomon Ben-David said:

So it seems time to actually clarify a few things and explain to the world why this is just 100% false.

First, Toxic, Dark Brotherhood was never part of the discussion that formed CIS. You all joined after it was more or less concluded and were kept to the peripherals level. So unless Singularity wants to back you up here you're arguing that we witnessed OPSEC you didn't. I have zero idea how you managed to get this perspective.

Second: I have yet to actually see proof of us allegedly giving any information to TKR. That's not how we roll at all. Actually, let be buff this with some facts on us ending our MDoAP with Singularity and signing House, from someone who was actually a party to these discussions:

• We had been having a few issues with Sing at the time due to some differences in perspective and were trying to figure out what we wanted.
• TKR reached out and was looking to work in a collaborative environment with us. We were interested, and we took the offer.
• We said goodbye to Singularity on (at least from my recollection) good terms.

I'm not one to leak OPSEC on an old ally, especially one where we were happy to leave on good terms simply due to a difference in perspective. And again, where do you fit into this?

Third: "Maybe this time you'll get a better merge offer 4+ cities"? Aside from the questionable clarity of this phrase, I don't know what this is referring to lol. While we have denied merges, it's mostly because we want to work on growing from the ground up, which seems to have worked well considering we're sitting around #20 in peacetime less than half a year into starting an alliance from zero.

Thus, I have yet to see any specific proof or clarity regarding these claims, and you're making these claims without being a party to some of the things you're making claims about. My DMs are, of course, open as always. Considering you've always been quite cheerful and happy to work together in them, I'm sure that we can find some sort of agreement.

How the sphere formed or was created is completely irrelevant here. The fact of the matter is Roberts accepted access to our sphere leadership channel where we discussed OPSEC matters a number of times. Discussions he took part in and commented on while hiding the fact TSC was looking for other allies and spheres.

1) Usually you notify allies that you are looking elsewhere

2) OPSEC information gained by being in our sphere leadership channels were used to help TKR.

Also, you state that you wouldn’t leak on an old ally but I don’t even recall you being in the sphere leadership channels at all. You might not leak on past allies but you’re not Roberts and that’s who had access to our sphere leadership channels. From my discussions with other sphere mates, this sentiment is shared amongst those I talked to.

[Solomon Ben-David]

39 minutes ago, ToxicPepper said:

How the sphere formed or was created is completely irrelevant here. The fact of the matter is Roberts accepted access to our sphere leadership channel where we discussed OPSEC matters a number of times. Discussions he took part in and commented on while hiding the fact TSC was looking for other allies and spheres.

39 minutes ago, ToxicPepper said:

Also, you state that you wouldn’t leak on an old ally but I don’t even recall you being in the sphere leadership channels at all. You might not leak on past allies but you’re not Roberts and that’s who had access to our sphere leadership channels. From my discussions with other sphere mates, this sentiment is shared amongst those I talked to.

You see, Toxic, if you had been in the room while the sphere was forming, you'd recall I was also there. You base your argument in witnessing things you did not witness, and it shows because you're trying to say that something that did not happen, happened. Again, where are the people that actually were in this chat? You certainly were not.
You also don't really know the timeline of when we were in these discussions with TKR. We started seriously thinking about signing ODOO after the bloc was formed and we were in the peripherals chat. But again, we had no intention of spreading OPSEC, and we never did. 

So before I get to both of the points you've made, let me quickly summarize where we are:

1. You have baselessly claimed that we stole OPSEC for TKR despite us vehemently denying it.
2. When I asked for proof (#2 on my first post here), you still have not provided anything, instead making claims that I don't know what I'm talking about since I wasn't in these chats...except, I was, as TSC's FA head.
3. Where is the rest of CIS in these accusations? The only person who has argued this point is you, and you weren't even in the chats when the bloc was being formed. You say that "this sentiment is shared amongst those I talked to," but I have yet to hear it from anyone else in CIS - or even in DB, for that matter.

49 minutes ago, ToxicPepper said:

1) Usually you notify allies that you are looking elsewhere

We gave Singularity our 72-hour notice; we were only tied to Sing at that time. I don't see how there is any issue with our actions there. You may have previously been telling allies the moment you started looking elsewhere, but from my experience in Rose for the past few years, I have yet to see that. We did our due process with the alliance we were tied to; I'm sorry that I didn't feel the need to tell people we weren't allied to that we were moving.

52 minutes ago, ToxicPepper said:

2) OPSEC information gained by being in our sphere leadership channels were used to help TKR.

This is news to both me and TKR. I'll say for a third time that I'd love to see where this happened, except for the fact that it didn't.

In summation, you've claimed - without proof - that we stole OPSEC from a chat you were not a part of while claiming I wasn't in a chat I 100% was in. You've claimed that people agree with you, except for the fact that I have not heard anyone else actually come out in support of this. I've asked for evidence, and you have yet to give any. To me, at least, your argument seems to boil down to "TSC was allied to Sing. Now they're allied to TKR. Thus, they must have stolen OPSEC from Sing to give to TKR!"
I'll reiterate a second time that my DMs are open to privately work this out, but I genuinely have no idea what your argument is based in. If you want to share evidence, be my guest. I have yet to see anything to show that we have actually done anything you've claimed we did.