Filthy Fifths Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Jesus, how did I get myself involved in this mess of fun? Quote "In an honest service there is thin commons, low wages, and hard labor; in this, plenty and satiety, pleasure and ease, liberty and power; and who would not balance creditor on this side, when all the hazard that is run for it, at worst, is only a sour look or two at choking. No, a merry life and a short one, shall be my motto." - Bartholomew "Black Bart" Roberts Green Enforcement Agency will rise again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 We were involved in the war preparations for the last war, no !@#$. Discussing various hypotheticals and scenarios that could play out. What exactly is wrong with this? "They claim we are guilty of plotting to neutralize any alliance who oppose us. Yet neither UPN or DEIC has done any such thing." Thanks for confirming Hans lied to us in this thread 1 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodo Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 We were involved in the war preparations for the last war, no !@#$. Discussing various hypotheticals and scenarios that could play out. What exactly is wrong with this? OH MAN. Someone call 911. Saru stepped in the bear trap again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Jesus, how did I get myself involved in this mess of fun?I'm too lazy to read all those logs, but I did see your name. So I'll just safely assume that the TAC war was all your fault. Edited December 12, 2014 by Kurdanak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 OH MAN. Someone call 911. Saru stepped in the bear trap again! 1 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) We were involved in the war preparations for the last war, no !@#$. Discussing various hypotheticals and scenarios that could play out. What exactly is wrong with this? Isn't that what you rolled TAC for? Discussing hypotheticals and scenarios? !@#$ brilliant. Edited December 12, 2014 by Shellhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) Shitposting troll brigade out in full force tonight. As if repeating the same argument makes it any more credible. "They claim we are guilty of plotting to neutralize any alliance who oppose us. Yet neither UPN or DEIC has done any such thing." Thanks for confirming Hans lied to us in this thread His point was that we have not actively planned to roll anyone based on purely political considerations. i.e Taking down TAC for their number 1 spot, as rumoured by some, was never the motivation on our part. However to compare that to discussions of various alliances entering the war we have committed to is absurd. We rolled in the last war to support our allies, and did all we could. We admitted that we made some mistakes in hindsight, and reached out to build bridges. Just to be outright lied by you all. Edited December 12, 2014 by Saru Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillou Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 We were involved in the war preparations for the last war, no !@#$. Discussing various hypotheticals and scenarios that could play out. What exactly is wrong with this? See below: -snip-The key and underlying point of my proposition is that the pre-emptive strike was reactive to TAC's plotting and had valid justification -- is that something you ultimately disagree with? -snip- Quote [17:17:58] <&Ashland> I will give you hops if you say this phrase: [17:18:13] <&Ashland> "Man, I really wish Rose had allied BoC a couple months ago when we had the chance instead of picking Vanguard." [17:20:16] Man, I really wish Rose had allied BoC a couple months ago when we had the chance instead of picking Vanguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 His point was that we have not actively planned to roll anyone based on purely political considerations. i.e Taking down TAC for their number 1 spot, as rumoured by some, was never the motivation on our part. However to compare that to discussions of various alliances entering the war we have committed to is absurd. We rolled in the last war to support our allies, and did all we could. We admitted that we made some mistakes in hindsight, and reached out to build bridges. Just to be outright lied by you all. Building bridges? [2014-12-02T19:35:21-0700] <@underaway> Unless you're saying you are going to roll us or something [2014-12-02T19:35:27-0700] <@underaway> but let's face it [2014-12-02T19:35:31-0700] <@underaway> you can't and won't Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwynn Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 So let me get this straight, someone (not naming names) breaks OpSec that a coalition formed to attack you, and magically the next day you start "reaching out to make ammends" and you expect people to take it as genuine? As far as lying, you were never lied to. You never simply asked the right question. Had you, you may have had an aha moment. Quote He's right, I'm such a stinker. Play my exceptional game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAI-40 Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I made this last war, never thought I'd actually get to use it. 5 Quote "They're turning kids into slaves just to make cheaper sneakers. But what's the real cost? ‘Cause the sneakers don't seem that much cheaper. Why are we still paying so much for sneakers when you got them made by little slave kids? What are your overheads?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hansarius Posted December 12, 2014 Author Share Posted December 12, 2014 2014-10-23 16:31 underlordgc: FF refused to be gov so long as PPC exists? 16:31 underlordgc: also ni431 16:31 Hereno: he knows he has a bad reputation and he doesn't want to take the fall when you guys inevitably win 16:31 underlordgc: congrats, you get to relay this to your gov 16:31 underlordgc: lol 16:31 Hereno: if it wasn't for him and i, you guys would be being attacked as of a week ago 16:32 underlordgc: Hmm 16:32 underlordgc: wait 16:32 underlordgc: FF dosn't think TAC can win a war? 16:32 Hereno: he knows they can't because he's not an idiot 16:32 Hereno: they have jack !@#$ 16:32 underlordgc: eh, coulda fooled me 16:32 underlordgc: btw hans 16:32 underlordgc: I need 50k 16:32 Hereno: they have themselves, TSG who are useless, and then two know-nothings on the second page 16:32 underlordgc: will get 6th city and can fight Phimney and adama easier 16:32 Hereno: one of which got dropped like a hot potato when the bloc came to fruition 16:32 underlordgc: no 16:33 underlordgc: TEst is the strongest per soize 16:33 underlordgc: well 16:33 underlordgc: maybe 16:33 Hereno: test is barely even alive 16:33 underlordgc: Half their members left 16:33 underlordgc: I suppose it waits to be seen 16:33 Hereno: you have the 2-4 alliances and SK/Guardian are playing it safe, which is good because you're on the top 16:33 underlordgc: If TEst can pack the punch per nation or it's dead 16:34 underlordgc: Eh 16:34 underlordgc: We need to have II dow us 16:34 underlordgc: still protected by SK for two more weeks 16:34 Hereno: tbh they'll prolly just MDoAP them after the time is up 16:35 Hereno: SK might already be gone 16:35 Hereno: which is a shame because they're smarter than to play with TAC 16:35 Hereno: it might actually be your guys' best bet to just act on what you have and smash TAC now like you were planning 16:36 Hereno: ghost provides the misinformation of the slow-down 16:36 Hereno: kick him the !@#$ out, revamp up, and smack them 16:36 Hereno: you can disable TAC entirely in one good blitz with 3 alliances 16:36 Hereno: that's their best alliance 16:37 underlordgc: Ghost is still in EoS? 16:37 Casey: We can start and end in a successful blitz 16:37 Casey: Yeah, I didn't get around kicking him yet 16:37 underlordgc: lol 16:37 underlordgc: Well 16:37 underlordgc: Our buildup gave a time of saterday 16:38 underlordgc: I figured if you dowed Friday, by the time we were countered we'd be okay 16:38 Hereno: they think you're rolling on saturday? 16:38 underlordgc: idk 16:38 underlordgc: I assumed EoS was dowing today or tommorow 16:38 hansarius: Tomorrow 16:38 Hereno: don't send EoS in alone 16:38 underlordgc: well, today EST, not servertime 16:39 Hereno: i got all pissy with casey about this earlier 16:39 underlordgc: ah 16:39 Hereno: hit them to end them 16:39 hansarius: I think VoC should go in with them 16:39 underlordgc: So that's why he chaged his attitude 16:39 Hereno: no, all of you go in with them 16:39 Hereno: every single member of the bloc 16:39 underlordgc: BoC stays out 16:39 Hereno: completely disable TAC 16:39 Hereno: once you get them down, they're down for the rest of the war 16:39 hansarius: I dunno 16:40 underlordgc: BoC is more useful to fill any gaps after TSG and TEst roll in 16:40 hansarius: Even if we do disable TAC it would be good to have someone to counter the others when they counter 16:41 Hereno: who are you guys allied to outside the bloc? 16:41 Casey: TSG isn't militarized yet 16:41 underlordgc: If need be, I can switch to EoS and join them in the initial dec or something 16:41 Hereno: TSG doesn't even matter. Their leader is an idiot who can't control his members 16:42 hansarius: No >_> 16:42 underlordgc: lol 16:42 underlordgc: Hey, I'm the only one ofUPN or EoS that has 6 cities 16:42 hansarius: II what are they like? 16:42 Hereno: literally the biggest and really, the only threat to you guys, if you smack down TAC, is SK 16:42 hansarius: it's because you're a spammer 16:42 underlordgc: II is led by ex-Spartans 16:42 Hereno: II seem competent but they don't know the game very well 16:42 underlordgc: well 16:43 underlordgc: w/e the spartan AA was calld 16:43 Hereno: lacedaemon 16:43 underlordgc: yea 16:43 Hereno: they're competent then; that's TOP from (That terrible game that is totally irrelevant and I shouldn't be bringing it up anyways) 16:43 Hereno: + sparta, yeah 16:43 underlordgc: err 16:43 Hereno: although yeru is in SK 16:43 underlordgc: I think the members split 16:43 underlordgc: AFAIK only milton and olly are from lace 16:44 hansarius: I don't think SK will involve themselves, definitely if we do an all out on TAC and crush them 16:44 Hereno: the plan you guys had was probably the best way to go insofar as you want to hit them before they bloc up 16:44 hansarius: definitely not* 16:45 underlordgc: SK will have no choice if we dec II 16:46 underlordgc: Anyways, as much as I'd love to rape ragnar again, pulkling in SK isn't a great idea 16:46 underlordgc: Especially since Guardian would join the frey 16:46 Hereno: i'm hoping hans is right and that SK would just stay out 16:47 underlordgc: I wouldn't count on it 16:47 underlordgc: We should be prepared for a counter dec from SK and Guardian 16:47 hansarius: They will if we make a good show on our first strike 16:47 Hereno: if sk and guardian are lost to the other side then you lose anyway 16:48 underlordgc: not officially allied (paperless bastards) but only an idiot can ignore their obviousnfreindship 16:48 underlordgc: lol 16:48 underlordgc: Guardian is a shell 16:48 underlordgc: maybe 16:48 Hereno: guardian and sk are probably the most efficient alliances in the game atm 16:48 underlordgc: To much changhe since Alpha 16:49 underlordgc: SK has a high Score, yes 16:49 underlordgc: *Avg score 16:49 hansarius: With pre in charge, Guardian is much more of a threat than they were in alpha 16:49 underlordgc: also atzuya is in guardian 16:49 Hereno: we are efficient but our average score is low 16:49 underlordgc: lol precum 16:49 underlordgc: "we" 16:49 Hereno: i'm talking about economic know-how and ability to do !@#$ with those nations 16:49 underlordgc: are you joining the war? 16:49 Hereno: we meaning SOCINT 16:49 Hereno: it's an example 16:50 underlordgc: aww 16:50 underlordgc: boring 16:50 hansarius: Anyway, if we take out TAC early we will osstensibly have the upper hand and that will probably keep SK and Guardian out. 16:51 hansarius: SK don't like us much, but I don't think they'll come after us until they are confident enough to actually deal with us I am not sure what yo are trying to prove with these logs? Those are indeed logs of tC talking about the war with TAC, 1 or 2 days prior to the war started. A war which started when EoS informed the rest of us that a coalition was being made to take us out, something that was going to happen sooner rather than later. A fear I believe current events show wasn't entirely without basis. Quote “Be your friend’s true friend. Return gift for gift. Repay laughter with laughter again but betrayal with treachery.”― Hávamál Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Saru Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Building bridges? [2014-12-02T19:35:21-0700] <@underaway> Unless you're saying you are going to roll us or something [2014-12-02T19:35:27-0700] <@underaway> but let's face it [2014-12-02T19:35:31-0700] <@underaway> you can't and won't If we're in the business of posting logs, perhaps I should post all the logs of us coming to you in an attempt to sort things out, and you guys just repeating "yeah everything is great, we have no hard feelings against you" line, over and over again. We were involved in the war preparations for the last war, no !@#$. Discussing various hypotheticals and scenarios that could play out. What exactly is wrong with this? See below: -snip-The key and underlying point of my proposition is that the pre-emptive strike was reactive to TAC's plotting and had valid justification -- is that something you ultimately disagree with? -snip- There's a distinction between a log that's clearly talking about the war that's going to go down, and considering potential allies who may enter, and what we would do in that case. Than proactively making aggressive plans to roll someone, without any provocation. Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Placentica Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 Not sure if you are actually being serious. No need to insult your own membership as being inferior. I know UPN and DEIC like to give loads of aid to the uppers in gov and little to the lower membership, but this is still beneath you Rob. You thought you could get away with a curbstomp on TAC. You failed and now you are crying like you are some kind of martyr. But, wait, it was defensive in nature when you attacked TAC, right? 1 Quote Hello! If you don't like this post please go here: https://politicsandwar.com/forums/index.php?app=core&module=usercp&tab=core&area=ignoredusers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 "building bridges" best part. You mean you tried rebuilding the bridge after you realized what was going on? That's not building bridges that's saving your own ass you coward. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) So let me get this straight, someone (not naming names) breaks OpSec that a coalition formed to attack you, and magically the next day you start "reaching out to make ammends" and you expect people to take it as genuine? As far as lying, you were never lied to. You never simply asked the right question. Had you, you may have had an aha moment. We reached out immediately after the war. We were fed the "it's alright, we have no hard feelings" lines for many weeks. "building bridges" best part. You mean you tried rebuilding the bridge after you realized what was going on? That's not building bridges that's saving your own ass you coward. Except those attempts weren't made in the last few days. They were made long before, where Rose is concerned. Edited December 12, 2014 by Saru Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 If we're in the business of posting logs, perhaps I should post all the logs of us coming to you in an attempt to sort things out, and you guys just repeating "yeah everything is great, we have no hard feelings against you" line, over and over again. What exactly did you expect? Did you want someone to tell you that we're going to war with your alliance? You're not stupid, at least I don't fully believe you are, if you really expected that then I'm not exactly sure what to tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwynn Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I am not sure what yo are trying to prove with these logs? Those are indeed logs of tC talking about the war with TAC, 1 or 2 days prior to the war started. A war which started when EoS informed the rest of us that a coalition was being made to take us out, something that was going to happen sooner rather than later. A fear I believe current events show wasn't entirely without basis. Except that the coalition that formed for this, is not the coalition you are looking for. This coalition formed in direct response to the action of you and your allies in the TAC war. 2 Quote He's right, I'm such a stinker. Play my exceptional game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) We reached out immediately after the war. We were fed the "it's alright, we have no hard feelings" lines for many weeks. Except those attempts weren't made in the last few days. They were made long before, where Rose is concerned. The planning started before the war ended baby. Did you not find it funny that the same night TAC announced on the radio show that they weren't going to ask for peace that they went out and asked for peace? That's the night you can track this back to. Because you're no longer confident that you're going to win is no reason to start talking about diplomacy, that should've happened before you went to war the first time. Edited December 12, 2014 by Shellhound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurdanak Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) I'm so glad this thread exists, the other four were way too jolly to be the setting for the proper !@#$fest every war needs. Edited December 12, 2014 by Kurdanak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillou Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 If we're in the business of posting logs, perhaps I should post all the logs of us coming to you in an attempt to sort things out, and you guys just repeating "yeah everything is great, we have no hard feelings against you" line, over and over again. There's a distinction between a log that's clearly talking about the war that's going to go down, and considering potential allies who may enter, and what we would do in that case. Than proactively making aggressive plans to roll someone, without any provocation. Post those logs, just make sure to put the date of it being recent - confirming it was because you had heard rumors and wanted to get close now that you weren't in such a great position. And considering allies that enter is one thing, insulting them is another: 05:31 Hans|UPN|Away: We turned SK into glass and they still behaved like they were king of the world Quote [17:17:58] <&Ashland> I will give you hops if you say this phrase: [17:18:13] <&Ashland> "Man, I really wish Rose had allied BoC a couple months ago when we had the chance instead of picking Vanguard." [17:20:16] Man, I really wish Rose had allied BoC a couple months ago when we had the chance instead of picking Vanguard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jodo Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 This RoW reminds me of another press conference I saw once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 What exactly did you expect? Did you want someone to tell you that we're going to war with your alliance? You're not stupid, at least I don't fully believe you are, if you really expected that then I'm not exactly sure what to tell you. The planning started before the war ended baby. Did you not find it funny that the same night TAC announced on the radio show that they weren't going to ask for peace that they went out and asked for peace? That's the night you can track this back to. Because your no longer confident that you're going to win is no reason to start talking about diplomacy, that should've happened before you went to war the first time. That much has been already made clear. But you could at least be honest about your feelings about the whole thing, as opposed to outright lying and pretending that everything is fine and the grudges have been let go -- and then painting us to be this "evil, dogmatic and manipulative" force of Orbis. Quote Second in Command of UPN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shellhound Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) That much has been already made clear. But you could at least be honest about your feelings about the whole thing, as opposed to outright lying and pretending that everything is fine and the grudges have been let go -- and then painting us to be this "evil, dogmatic and manipulative" force of Orbis. Aww, saru I'm sorry. Next time we plan to go to war with you I'll make sure that our intentions are clear from the get go and you have plenty of time to prepare. c'mon son Edited December 12, 2014 by Shellhound 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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