[Cancellation]

[Charles Bolivar]

1 hour ago, Buorhann said:

Seriously, @Hodor is right, Eclipse's attack on Cataclysm isn't a counter.  It's a outright declaration of war.

Eclipse has no ties to Midgard.  On the other hand, Cataclysm have no ties to OOsphere either.  So really @Keegoz and Cataclysm's decision to join in the fight is what sparked this stupidity.

In either case, Syndicate should defend Cataclysm, at least against Eclipse for their aggression during the 72hr window.

EDIT:

This is on the surface of treaty triggering.  Obviously there's something behind the scenes going on.

I'm gonna go out on a limb (not really at this point) and guess eclipse and co whispered in the ears of the immortals and co as being the reason this whole war kicked off.

Yes, I can't be bothered learning all the sphere's names because they change every 6 months anyway.

 

 

Edited November 13, 2022 by Charles Bolivar

[NightKnight]

5 hours ago, Cpt Crunch said:

Since when has T$ ran from a good fight?

We don't run from good fights

[Thalmor]

21 minutes ago, NightKnight said:

We don't run from good fights

You guys are literally doing it now. 

[Keegoz]

Just now, Thalmor said:

You guys are literally doing it now. 

What they meant to say is "We run away from all fights". They don't have to be good or bad.

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

I'll participate in this song and dance again, because this is the forums, and not Royal Orbis News.

Cataclysm came to us and said "Hey, we're joining this war on the side of TKR." They made it clear to us that this was not them just joining to attack Midgard, they joined specifically on the side of TKR, to defend them. They were not allies with TKR. They were allies with us. We made it clear that we did not support the idea, and would not get involved, but we said to them "You are a sovereign alliance, we will not tell you what you can and can not do." but we also made it clear to them that we disapproved of this, and would not participate in their plans.

Cataclysm joined the war, and as soon as they did, discussions began about ending the tie between us and them, because it was a major breach in trust. People can claim "Oh, well you didn't tell them no, so how could they have breached the trust, you gave them permission, this is your fault" and to those people, I will again point back to the fact that they are a sovereign alliance. They can do as they please, but they also bring upon themselves the repercussions for their actions. They came to us to talk about joining at around 8pm EST, and we made it clear we would not be joining and we asked them what their reasoning for joining was. We asked them what their CB for joining was. We asked them what the benefit to joining was. We received no solid answers, basically only being told "We want to" and soon after we were told "We're going in."

Cataclysm made the decision to go in, despite us being opposed to it. Cataclysm had no evident CB to go in. Cataclysm joined solely because they wanted to defend The Knights Radiant, and Withheld Sphere, an enemy sphere of ours that held alliances we were repeatedly hostile with. Cataclysm knew they were going in alone, and that we had no reason nor any interest in joining, and they acknowledged that they were going in entirely alone. 

Cataclysm came to this decision on their own. They went about it on their own. The repercussions of it are their own. We cut the tie with them three hours before day change, and they were attacked two hours later. Cataclysm acted selfishly, with no regard for what was best for the sphere. Cataclysm was attacked by Eclipse and Terminus Est, because they had joined the war as a third party. People can say whatever they desire about the war, but it was made abundantly clear that the war between Withheld and Midgard did not involve Ouroboros, nor did it involve Wayward.

If Cataclysm acted with no regard for their allies, or sphere-mates by joining the war, and bringing members of Ouroboros into the war, something that was clearly likely to occur, why should The Syndicate join the war? We made it clear we didn't want to help TKR. We made it clear we didn't think Cataclysm joining the war was a good idea. We made it clear we were not going to get involved. Cataclysm severed the tie of Wayward when they went against the interest of their allies in joining the war, and they brought this attack upon themselves.

Why should The Syndicate join the war to aid them? Why should The Syndicate go against what is best for itself to hold the hand of a former ally who foolishly joined a war they had no business joining? If The Syndicate joins the war against Eclipse and Terminus Est, it is clear and obvious to everyone present that Rose will militarize and join the war, and Wayward and Withheld are by no means strong enough to defeat both Midgard and Ouroboros together, but that there is the crux of the matter.

People do not care about the "sacred importance of the treaty." People do not care about the "Betrayal of one's allies." People do not care about the "Reputation and Legacy of The Syndicate." People are angry that The Syndicate looked at a situation, saw that it was a disaster, and chose to not join. People are angry that The Syndicate looked at a war that it had no business joining, and knew would be a disaster if it joined, and chose to act in the interest of itself, and its members. People are angry that The Syndicate is not going join a war only to be defeated and take a massive amount of damage, so people can mock it. People are angry that The Syndicate chose the logical path, the same path that I point out the vast majority of people in Orbis would have chosen.

So no, The Syndicate does not apologize for not giving you all entertainment. No, The Syndicate does not apologize for making an unpopular decision. No, The Syndicate does not apologize for not sacrificing itself for an ally that cared nothing for it, and enemies that mocked it and attacked it at practically every chance they had been given in the past. If you all believe your words will shame The Syndicate into making an idiotic decision that does not benefit itself and instead casts aside the wellbeing of the alliance for no reason, than I urge you to look in the mirror, because you're living a fantasy.

 

-Gaius Julius Caesar, Imperator of Imperium Romanum, Vice President of Public Relations

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

6 minutes ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

I'll participate in this song and dance again, because this is the forums, and not Royal Orbis News.

Cataclysm came to us and said "Hey, we're joining this war on the side of TKR." They made it clear to us that this was not them just joining to attack Midgard, they joined specifically on the side of TKR, to defend them. They were not allies with TKR. They were allies with us. We made it clear that we did not support the idea, and would not get involved, but we said to them "You are a sovereign alliance, we will not tell you what you can and can not do." but we also made it clear to them that we disapproved of this, and would not participate in their plans.

Cataclysm joined the war, and as soon as they did, discussions began about ending the tie between us and them, because it was a major breach in trust. People can claim "Oh, well you didn't tell them no, so how could they have breached the trust, you gave them permission, this is your fault" and to those people, I will again point back to the fact that they are a sovereign alliance. They can do as they please, but they also bring upon themselves the repercussions for their actions. They came to us to talk about joining at around 8pm EST, and we made it clear we would not be joining and we asked them what their reasoning for joining was. We asked them what their CB for joining was. We asked them what the benefit to joining was. We received no solid answers, basically only being told "We want to" and soon after we were told "We're going in."

Cataclysm made the decision to go in, despite us being opposed to it. Cataclysm had no evident CB to go in. Cataclysm joined solely because they wanted to defend The Knights Radiant, and Withheld Sphere, an enemy sphere of ours that held alliances we were repeatedly hostile with. Cataclysm knew they were going in alone, and that we had no reason nor any interest in joining, and they acknowledged that they were going in entirely alone. 

Cataclysm came to this decision on their own. They went about it on their own. The repercussions of it are their own. We cut the tie with them three hours before day change, and they were attacked two hours later. Cataclysm acted selfishly, with no regard for what was best for the sphere. Cataclysm was attacked by Eclipse and Terminus Est, because they had joined the war as a third party. People can say whatever they desire about the war, but it was made abundantly clear that the war between Withheld and Midgard did not involve Ouroboros, nor did it involve Wayward.

If Cataclysm acted with no regard for their allies, or sphere-mates by joining the war, and bringing members of Ouroboros into the war, something that was clearly likely to occur, why should The Syndicate join the war? We made it clear we didn't want to help TKR. We made it clear we didn't think Cataclysm joining the war was a good idea. We made it clear we were not going to get involved. Cataclysm severed the tie of Wayward when they went against the interest of their allies in joining the war, and they brought this attack upon themselves.

Why should The Syndicate join the war to aid them? Why should The Syndicate go against what is best for itself to hold the hand of a former ally who foolishly joined a war they had no business joining? If The Syndicate joins the war against Eclipse and Terminus Est, it is clear and obvious to everyone present that Rose will militarize and join the war, and Wayward and Withheld are by no means strong enough to defeat both Midgard and Ouroboros together, but that there is the crux of the matter.

People do not care about the "sacred importance of the treaty." People do not care about the "Betrayal of one's allies." People do not care about the "Reputation and Legacy of The Syndicate." People are angry that The Syndicate looked at a situation, saw that it was a disaster, and chose to not join. People are angry that The Syndicate looked at a war that it had no business joining, and knew would be a disaster if it joined, and chose to act in the interest of itself, and its members. People are angry that The Syndicate is not going join a war only to be defeated and take a massive amount of damage, so people can mock it. People are angry that The Syndicate chose the logical path, the same path that I point out the vast majority of people in Orbis would have chosen.

So no, The Syndicate does not apologize for not giving you all entertainment. No, The Syndicate does not apologize for making an unpopular decision. No, The Syndicate does not apologize for not sacrificing itself for an ally that cared nothing for it, and enemies that mocked it and attacked it at practically every chance they had been given in the past. If you all believe your words will shame The Syndicate into making an idiotic decision that does not benefit itself and instead casts aside the wellbeing of the alliance for no reason, than I urge you to look in the mirror, because you're living a fantasy.

 

-Gaius Julius Caesar, Imperator of Imperium Romanum, Vice President of Public Relations

Alright so the time is difficult because of time zones and it's also 1am, so they were told like 1 or 2 hours before day change, not 3. I'm tired, I'm dealing with a migraine, I apologize for my inability to tell time, Romans don't do well with electronic time.

[Keegoz]

10 minutes ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

I'll participate in this song and dance again, because this is the forums, and not Royal Orbis News.

Cataclysm came to us and said "Hey, we're joining this war on the side of TKR." They made it clear to us that this was not them just joining to attack Midgard, they joined specifically on the side of TKR, to defend them. They were not allies with TKR. They were allies with us. We made it clear that we did not support the idea, and would not get involved, but we said to them "You are a sovereign alliance, we will not tell you what you can and can not do." but we also made it clear to them that we disapproved of this, and would not participate in their plans.

Cataclysm joined the war, and as soon as they did, discussions began about ending the tie between us and them, because it was a major breach in trust. People can claim "Oh, well you didn't tell them no, so how could they have breached the trust, you gave them permission, this is your fault" and to those people, I will again point back to the fact that they are a sovereign alliance. They can do as they please, but they also bring upon themselves the repercussions for their actions. They came to us to talk about joining at around 8pm EST, and we made it clear we would not be joining and we asked them what their reasoning for joining was. We asked them what their CB for joining was. We asked them what the benefit to joining was. We received no solid answers, basically only being told "We want to" and soon after we were told "We're going in."

Cataclysm made the decision to go in, despite us being opposed to it. Cataclysm had no evident CB to go in. Cataclysm joined solely because they wanted to defend The Knights Radiant, and Withheld Sphere, an enemy sphere of ours that held alliances we were repeatedly hostile with. Cataclysm knew they were going in alone, and that we had no reason nor any interest in joining, and they acknowledged that they were going in entirely alone. 

Cataclysm came to this decision on their own. They went about it on their own. The repercussions of it are their own. We cut the tie with them three hours before day change, and they were attacked two hours later. Cataclysm acted selfishly, with no regard for what was best for the sphere. Cataclysm was attacked by Eclipse and Terminus Est, because they had joined the war as a third party. People can say whatever they desire about the war, but it was made abundantly clear that the war between Withheld and Midgard did not involve Ouroboros, nor did it involve Wayward.

If Cataclysm acted with no regard for their allies, or sphere-mates by joining the war, and bringing members of Ouroboros into the war, something that was clearly likely to occur, why should The Syndicate join the war? We made it clear we didn't want to help TKR. We made it clear we didn't think Cataclysm joining the war was a good idea. We made it clear we were not going to get involved. Cataclysm severed the tie of Wayward when they went against the interest of their allies in joining the war, and they brought this attack upon themselves.

Why should The Syndicate join the war to aid them? Why should The Syndicate go against what is best for itself to hold the hand of a former ally who foolishly joined a war they had no business joining? If The Syndicate joins the war against Eclipse and Terminus Est, it is clear and obvious to everyone present that Rose will militarize and join the war, and Wayward and Withheld are by no means strong enough to defeat both Midgard and Ouroboros together, but that there is the crux of the matter.

People do not care about the "sacred importance of the treaty." People do not care about the "Betrayal of one's allies." People do not care about the "Reputation and Legacy of The Syndicate." People are angry that The Syndicate looked at a situation, saw that it was a disaster, and chose to not join. People are angry that The Syndicate looked at a war that it had no business joining, and knew would be a disaster if it joined, and chose to act in the interest of itself, and its members. People are angry that The Syndicate is not going join a war only to be defeated and take a massive amount of damage, so people can mock it. People are angry that The Syndicate chose the logical path, the same path that I point out the vast majority of people in Orbis would have chosen.

So no, The Syndicate does not apologize for not giving you all entertainment. No, The Syndicate does not apologize for making an unpopular decision. No, The Syndicate does not apologize for not sacrificing itself for an ally that cared nothing for it, and enemies that mocked it and attacked it at practically every chance they had been given in the past. If you all believe your words will shame The Syndicate into making an idiotic decision that does not benefit itself and instead casts aside the wellbeing of the alliance for no reason, than I urge you to look in the mirror, because you're living a fantasy.

 

-Gaius Julius Caesar, Imperator of Imperium Romanum, Vice President of Public Relations

I suppose if you're going to lie, might as well show it.

[Mayor]

13 minutes ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

We do not defend our allies or fight wars. Ever.

-Gaius Julius Caesar, Imperator of Imperium Romanum, Vice President of Public Relations

FTFY

[Gaius Julius Caesar]

Just now, Keegoz said:

Z

I suppose if you're going to lie, might as well show it.

I appreciate you posting a screenshot of me looking at the numbers and saying "we can't help this" as proof that we apparently..... What? Didn't like the idea? "ooooh you said we didn't have the numbers, you didn't say you disliked the idea, your point about this being a selfish war and us not burning for no purpose to bail us out is ruined by this screenshot of an embassy."

[Angantyr]

[Keegoz]

Just now, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

I appreciate you posting a screenshot of me looking at the numbers and saying "we can't help this" as proof that we apparently..... What? Didn't like the idea? "ooooh you said we didn't have the numbers, you didn't say you disliked the idea, your point about this being a selfish war and us not burning for no purpose to bail us out is ruined by this screenshot of an embassy."

"We asked them what their CB for joining was. We asked them what the benefit to joining was. We received no solid answers, basically only being told "We want to" and soon after we were told "We're going in.""

Do you also want me to leak where you were helping us with CB ideas? Or that you also entertained ideas of joining as well.

[Charles Bolivar]

26 minutes ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

 

-Gaius Julius Caesar, Imperator of Imperium Romanum, Vice President of Public Relations

I came, I saw, I cancelled.

[Adrienne]

The reasoning seemed pretty well thought out in Keegoz's screenshot whether you agreed with it or not and it wasn't "ooo we love tkr! let's help for no reason" like you're making it sound. Y'all are ridiculous lol. Enjoy your new path.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Adrienne

[Koala]

1 hour ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

I'll participate in this song and dance again, because this is the forums, and not Royal Orbis News.

Cataclysm came to us and said "Hey, we're joining this war on the side of TKR." They made it clear to us that this was not them just joining to attack Midgard, they joined specifically on the side of TKR, to defend them. They were not allies with TKR. They were allies with us. We made it clear that we did not support the idea, and would not get involved, but we said to them "You are a sovereign alliance, we will not tell you what you can and can not do." but we also made it clear to them that we disapproved of this, and would not participate in their plans.

Cataclysm joined the war, and as soon as they did, discussions began about ending the tie between us and them, because it was a major breach in trust. People can claim "Oh, well you didn't tell them no, so how could they have breached the trust, you gave them permission, this is your fault" and to those people, I will again point back to the fact that they are a sovereign alliance. They can do as they please, but they also bring upon themselves the repercussions for their actions. They came to us to talk about joining at around 8pm EST, and we made it clear we would not be joining and we asked them what their reasoning for joining was. We asked them what their CB for joining was. We asked them what the benefit to joining was. We received no solid answers, basically only being told "We want to" and soon after we were told "We're going in."

Cataclysm made the decision to go in, despite us being opposed to it. Cataclysm had no evident CB to go in. Cataclysm joined solely because they wanted to defend The Knights Radiant, and Withheld Sphere, an enemy sphere of ours that held alliances we were repeatedly hostile with. Cataclysm knew they were going in alone, and that we had no reason nor any interest in joining, and they acknowledged that they were going in entirely alone. 

Cataclysm came to this decision on their own. They went about it on their own. The repercussions of it are their own. We cut the tie with them three hours before day change, and they were attacked two hours later. Cataclysm acted selfishly, with no regard for what was best for the sphere. Cataclysm was attacked by Eclipse and Terminus Est, because they had joined the war as a third party. People can say whatever they desire about the war, but it was made abundantly clear that the war between Withheld and Midgard did not involve Ouroboros, nor did it involve Wayward.

If Cataclysm acted with no regard for their allies, or sphere-mates by joining the war, and bringing members of Ouroboros into the war, something that was clearly likely to occur, why should The Syndicate join the war? We made it clear we didn't want to help TKR. We made it clear we didn't think Cataclysm joining the war was a good idea. We made it clear we were not going to get involved. Cataclysm severed the tie of Wayward when they went against the interest of their allies in joining the war, and they brought this attack upon themselves.

Why should The Syndicate join the war to aid them? Why should The Syndicate go against what is best for itself to hold the hand of a former ally who foolishly joined a war they had no business joining? If The Syndicate joins the war against Eclipse and Terminus Est, it is clear and obvious to everyone present that Rose will militarize and join the war, and Wayward and Withheld are by no means strong enough to defeat both Midgard and Ouroboros together, but that there is the crux of the matter.

People do not care about the "sacred importance of the treaty." People do not care about the "Betrayal of one's allies." People do not care about the "Reputation and Legacy of The Syndicate." People are angry that The Syndicate looked at a situation, saw that it was a disaster, and chose to not join. People are angry that The Syndicate looked at a war that it had no business joining, and knew would be a disaster if it joined, and chose to act in the interest of itself, and its members. People are angry that The Syndicate is not going join a war only to be defeated and take a massive amount of damage, so people can mock it. People are angry that The Syndicate chose the logical path, the same path that I point out the vast majority of people in Orbis would have chosen.

So no, The Syndicate does not apologize for not giving you all entertainment. No, The Syndicate does not apologize for making an unpopular decision. No, The Syndicate does not apologize for not sacrificing itself for an ally that cared nothing for it, and enemies that mocked it and attacked it at practically every chance they had been given in the past. If you all believe your words will shame The Syndicate into making an idiotic decision that does not benefit itself and instead casts aside the wellbeing of the alliance for no reason, than I urge you to look in the mirror, because you're living a fantasy.

 

-Gaius Julius Caesar, Imperator of Imperium Romanum, Vice President of Public Relations

You explained in depth about why you didn't want to fight Midgard, yet failed to explain why you refuse to protect your allies from Eclipse

[Buorhann]

1 hour ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

-Snip-

There's much more info coming out about this situation.  The best PR you guys got at the moment is to just remain silent honestly.  The wall of text doesn't make sense when you were literally assisting them with ideas and looking for others to help with a future war that was being planned.

The screenshot posted shows enough evidence about this.

The least you guys could've done was tell Cataclysm "Hey, we can't assist in this war, but we won't stop you.  If you get hit though, we'll continue to stay on the sideline since this isn't our war."

You didn't have to cut any treaty ties, you didn't have to dishonor treaty obligations, all you had to do was be clear with the communication and expectation of what a good ally should be.

 

I personally don't blame Syndicate for not joining in the Midgard vs. Withheld war since honestly it's not your war to be had, but to abandon an ally?  A good ally at that?   That's harsh.  Cataclysm + Syndicate had good potential.

Don't get me wrong though, Cataclysm jumping in at the time they did was a bonehead move too, the handling of this from both of your alliances were just...  poor.  There was still no need to cut treaty ties though.  Could've easily worked it out and learned from it.

[Arthur Wellington]

1 hour ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

Tldr

 

-Gaius Julius Caesar, Imperator of Imperium Romanum, Vice President of Public Relations

I feel like role play isn't taken seriously anymore. Three points.

 

1. Ceasar was never imperator of a Roman Empire.

2. If he was, he then wouldn't be president of PR.

3. If he would be a president, he wouldn't be a *vice* president, but the mfing prime president!

Edited November 13, 2022 by Arthur Wellington

[Etat]

1 hour ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

I'll participate in this song and dance again, because this is the forums, and not Royal Orbis News.

Cataclysm came to us and said "Hey, we're joining this war on the side of TKR." They made it clear to us that this was not them just joining to attack Midgard, they joined specifically on the side of TKR, to defend them. They were not allies with TKR. They were allies with us. We made it clear that we did not support the idea, and would not get involved, but we said to them "You are a sovereign alliance, we will not tell you what you can and can not do." but we also made it clear to them that we disapproved of this, and would not participate in their plans.

Cataclysm joined the war, and as soon as they did, discussions began about ending the tie between us and them, because it was a major breach in trust. People can claim "Oh, well you didn't tell them no, so how could they have breached the trust, you gave them permission, this is your fault" and to those people, I will again point back to the fact that they are a sovereign alliance. They can do as they please, but they also bring upon themselves the repercussions for their actions. They came to us to talk about joining at around 8pm EST, and we made it clear we would not be joining and we asked them what their reasoning for joining was. We asked them what their CB for joining was. We asked them what the benefit to joining was. We received no solid answers, basically only being told "We want to" and soon after we were told "We're going in."

Cataclysm made the decision to go in, despite us being opposed to it. Cataclysm had no evident CB to go in. Cataclysm joined solely because they wanted to defend The Knights Radiant, and Withheld Sphere, an enemy sphere of ours that held alliances we were repeatedly hostile with. Cataclysm knew they were going in alone, and that we had no reason nor any interest in joining, and they acknowledged that they were going in entirely alone. 

Cataclysm came to this decision on their own. They went about it on their own. The repercussions of it are their own. We cut the tie with them three hours before day change, and they were attacked two hours later. Cataclysm acted selfishly, with no regard for what was best for the sphere. Cataclysm was attacked by Eclipse and Terminus Est, because they had joined the war as a third party. People can say whatever they desire about the war, but it was made abundantly clear that the war between Withheld and Midgard did not involve Ouroboros, nor did it involve Wayward.

If Cataclysm acted with no regard for their allies, or sphere-mates by joining the war, and bringing members of Ouroboros into the war, something that was clearly likely to occur, why should The Syndicate join the war? We made it clear we didn't want to help TKR. We made it clear we didn't think Cataclysm joining the war was a good idea. We made it clear we were not going to get involved. Cataclysm severed the tie of Wayward when they went against the interest of their allies in joining the war, and they brought this attack upon themselves.

Why should The Syndicate join the war to aid them? Why should The Syndicate go against what is best for itself to hold the hand of a former ally who foolishly joined a war they had no business joining? If The Syndicate joins the war against Eclipse and Terminus Est, it is clear and obvious to everyone present that Rose will militarize and join the war, and Wayward and Withheld are by no means strong enough to defeat both Midgard and Ouroboros together, but that there is the crux of the matter.

People do not care about the "sacred importance of the treaty." People do not care about the "Betrayal of one's allies." People do not care about the "Reputation and Legacy of The Syndicate." People are angry that The Syndicate looked at a situation, saw that it was a disaster, and chose to not join. People are angry that The Syndicate looked at a war that it had no business joining, and knew would be a disaster if it joined, and chose to act in the interest of itself, and its members. People are angry that The Syndicate is not going join a war only to be defeated and take a massive amount of damage, so people can mock it. People are angry that The Syndicate chose the logical path, the same path that I point out the vast majority of people in Orbis would have chosen.

So no, The Syndicate does not apologize for not giving you all entertainment. No, The Syndicate does not apologize for making an unpopular decision. No, The Syndicate does not apologize for not sacrificing itself for an ally that cared nothing for it, and enemies that mocked it and attacked it at practically every chance they had been given in the past. If you all believe your words will shame The Syndicate into making an idiotic decision that does not benefit itself and instead casts aside the wellbeing of the alliance for no reason, than I urge you to look in the mirror, because you're living a fantasy.

 

-Gaius Julius Caesar, Imperator of Imperium Romanum, Vice President of Public Relations

This reads like one of those painful, contentless weight-loss videos full of posers.  No-one is angry except you it seems.  There does not appear any breach of trust here, just a breach of your underlying grudges against TKR.  I'm so glad we dropped you when we did!!

Additionally the assumption that eclipse has come in because of cata joining has yet to be qualified to those of us not in the back channels.  Reasonable this assumption may be, it'd be interesting to have something more solid than circumstance to support this, or some other reason. 

Edited November 13, 2022 by Etat

[Charles Bolivar]

27 minutes ago, Arthur Wellington said:

I feel like role play isn't taken seriously anymore. Three points.

 

1. Ceasar was never imperator of a Roman Empire.

2. If he was, he then wouldn't be president of PR.

3. If he would be a president, he wouldn't be a *vice* president, but the mfing prime president!

Ah but he was declared an imperator under the republic. But then the word imperator itself hasn't been translated perfectly or correctly into the English language either for that matter. It forms the root word of 'emperor' without meaning exactly emperor itself in a manner of speaking.

So yes, better roleplay is required if we are to resolve this travesty.

Edited November 13, 2022 by Charles Bolivar

[Arthur Wellington]

1 minute ago, Charles Bolivar said:

Ah but he was declared an imperator under the republic. But then the word imperator itself hasn't been translated perfectly or correctly into the English language either for that matter.

So yes, better roleplay is required.

True, so that's why I didn't mistakenly corrected that, but imperium Romanum, the Roman Empire, came after Caesar and started with Augustus. 

 

I do feel point two and three are the stronger points though. Hopefully he will rectify that. perhaps a petition?

[Charles Bolivar]

Just now, Arthur Wellington said:

True, so that's why I didn't mistakenly corrected that, but imperium Romanum, the Roman Empire, came after Caesar and started with Augustus. 

 

I do feel point two and three are the stronger points though. Hopefully he will rectify that. perhaps a petition?

Well yes, Caesar would would never have allowed himself to be a deputy leader of tS. It's rather more likely he would have been the leader of a crappy micro instead of a mere deputy.

Im paraphrasing of course.

But considering the amount of spin and propaganda found within his commentaries, the PR angle isn't entirely incorrect now that I think on it 🤔

[Arthur Wellington]

12 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said:

Well yes, Caesar would would never have allowed himself to be a deputy leader of tS. It's rather more likely he would have been the leader of a crappy micro instead of a mere deputy.

Im paraphrasing of course.

But considering the amount of spin and propaganda found within his commentaries, the PR angle isn't entirely incorrect now that I think on it 🤔

Yes and to speak in favor of the PR thing, Ceasar did employ loads of PR people to make himself well known. Hmz. So the vice president thing is the only one that really really sticks. So far.

 

And to stay on topic,

I think cancellation was a good thing, war is a messy thing and all aa's need to feel good about what they are doing.

[Kan0601]

5 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said:

I'm gonna go out on a limb (not really at this point) and guess eclipse and co whispered in the ears of the immortals and co as being the reason this whole war kicked off.

Yes, I can't be bothered learning all the sphere's names because they change every 6 months anyway.

 

 

No one whispered in any of our ears to start this war. This is our doing we wanted a fair one v one like the rest of the game wanted. Now somehow this move was a bait to lure you guys into a trap. And you guys wonder why no one else makes moves in this game. That’s because every time someone does something that isn’t in your favour you guys complain and make up wild conspiracy theories. Not everything revolves are you guys there are those who just want a fun war without being interrupted.

[Alexio15]

I got dizzy reading this thread. 

[Charles Bolivar]

4 hours ago, Kan0601 said:

No one whispered in any of our ears to start this war. This is our doing we wanted a fair one v one like the rest of the game wanted. Now somehow this move was a bait to lure you guys into a trap. And you guys wonder why no one else makes moves in this game. That’s because every time someone does something that isn’t in your favour you guys complain and make up wild conspiracy theories. Not everything revolves are you guys there are those who just want a fun war without being interrupted.

I totally and 100% believe you.

[Hodor]

7 hours ago, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

People are angry that The Syndicate chose the logical path, the same path that I point out the vast majority of people in Orbis would have chosen.

TIL if bold and italicize a statement, you don't need to prove it's veracity.

I have the biggest e-penis in all of Orbis.

 

The rest of that statement is a lot of gibberish. The one take away from it is t$ substituted its obsession with Grumpy for an obsession with TKR. You know Cata didn't defend TKR because they luuvvvvvv them, they did it because it was the best option for survival in the face of an Oreo threat.