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13 hours ago, Mayor said:

Remember when I raided your alliance including you and your idiot leader AlexW and then won? I do.

You people just can't get over it eh? :P 

Huh, nah never really cared about you, nor do we, well with the exception of Kan of course lmao

And when im slotted by 3 people all down declaring on me after i already updeclared, it would be hard to not lose

So instead of bragging about an easy win, maybe have a better situation to brag about and not some childs play

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4 hours ago, AlexW said:

Huh, nah never really cared about you, nor do we, well with the exception of Kan of course lmao

True, Kan does really show me his appreciation.

I wish everyone was as loyal as him.

Take care and have fun in the war Alex.

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On 11/12/2022 at 7:30 PM, Kan0601 said:

Ok yes, I did believe you when you told me you had no control over them and yes you agreed we have a mutal understanding. We are friends so of course I would believe you, but then I get a SS of Piggy as a Admin in the BR server and a Member in your server. So now I wonder did everything you just told me was a lie or did you just not care enough to tell her to stop. Its very hard for me to trust you guys on this matter anymore, I trusted your word. 

I've engaged this discussion in Robert's server, if you want to have a look.
https://discord.gg/6yMsEYSKXM 

Piggy acts independently, similarly to what I believe is Borg's MO (I believe several others pointed out their "wanderer" nature.

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I'm happy to contribute my DMs with Toxic to debunk the notion it was made clear Piggy would be hit on my end.

Honestly, I'm of the opinion that had you tried to get a proper understanding of the situation instead of jumping the gun, you might have avoided her being pissed and nuking you and your allies, as I initially pointed out when we spoke on this. That boat has since sailed...

As far as asking her to stop, I did do that in a capacity of a friend and to try to mend the rift between us. I believe that had influence in how she came to negotiate a peace deal with y'all much earlier than she intended. To my knowledge, she was stonewalled repeatedly.

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At this point I suspect this is because you (royal you, Aurora) wanted to set the stage for keeping a casus belli against us (including vis your allies) in your backpocket rather than genuinely sorting things out - so there's a breach in trust both ways here.

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On 11/13/2022 at 12:59 AM, Etat said:

It is not normally transcendent brilliance as a warrior that leads to numbers like yours my friend, though I can see how the glare from your mirror might obscure this point for you.  I guess for some it takes a little longer for the penny to drop heh??

I'm assuming your pointing out Damages $ wise. To me Money in-game and cost of infra are whatever to me at this point. I build up to almost 3k on purpose. that way bigger nations are able to declare on me. unfortunately people still don't stay fighting for long, even when they have more city's. So its a moot point to build the infra because I still don't have nobody give me the fight I want. Money is Temporary, and so is pixels. We'll all be lucky if 10 years from now Politics and War will still be running. 

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34 minutes ago, Robert2424 said:

I'm assuming your pointing out Damages $ wise. To me Money in-game and cost of infra are whatever to me at this point. I build up to almost 3k on purpose. that way bigger nations are able to declare on me. unfortunately people still don't stay fighting for long, even when they have more city's. So its a moot point to build the infra because I still don't have nobody give me the fight I want. Money is Temporary, and so is pixels. We'll all be lucky if 10 years from now Politics and War will still be running. 

I think he was actually pointing towards your unit K/D's. They're incredibly low all around frankly.

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2 hours ago, Robert2424 said:

I'm assuming your pointing out Damages $ wise. To me Money in-game and cost of infra are whatever to me at this point. I build up to almost 3k on purpose. that way bigger nations are able to declare on me. unfortunately people still don't stay fighting for long, even when they have more city's. So its a moot point to build the infra because I still don't have nobody give me the fight I want. Money is Temporary, and so is pixels. We'll all be lucky if 10 years from now Politics and War will still be running. 

No I'm not talking about the $$ or infra losses.  Please correct me if I misinterpreted the theme your original post, however I would not naturally think that someone with 0 losses to their name was due to their exceptional warlike ability, or the incompetence of everyone they've ever fought.  It is hard to say what I mean without coming off a little belligerent, but I assure you that is not the case.  IMO most people with 0 losses have only ever been active raiders and/or been a part of easy dogpiles.  I do not know of anyone who's been genuinely challenged in the grind of a global where you conduct your wars strategically for the good of your allies involving accepting, or even orchestrating losses - baiting beige time etc.  Basically I'm very much saying that your war record is highly unlikely to be wholly the result of incompetence of others, but rather that of circumstance and/or good fortune.  I'm almost certain you will lose a war at some stage :) GLHF.

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8 hours ago, Daveth said:

I've engaged this discussion in Robert's server, if you want to have a look.
https://discord.gg/6yMsEYSKXM 

Piggy acts independently, similarly to what I believe is Borg's MO (I believe several others pointed out their "wanderer" nature.

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I'm happy to contribute my DMs with Toxic to debunk the notion it was made clear Piggy would be hit on my end.

Honestly, I'm of the opinion that had you tried to get a proper understanding of the situation instead of jumping the gun, you might have avoided her being pissed and nuking you and your allies, as I initially pointed out when we spoke on this. That boat has since sailed...

As far as asking her to stop, I did do that in a capacity of a friend and to try to mend the rift between us. I believe that had influence in how she came to negotiate a peace deal with y'all much earlier than she intended. To my knowledge, she was stonewalled repeatedly.

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At this point I suspect this is because you (royal you, Aurora) wanted to set the stage for keeping a casus belli against us (including vis your allies) in your backpocket rather than genuinely sorting things out - so there's a breach in trust both ways here.

Did you not think that after months of holding a spy ring leader in your alliance who so openly admits to doing so and getting spies in top alliances that this was a bad look on CTO? Looking from outside in, it just seems to me that you guys are willing to defend such actions from your members up until things get really serious. Most top alliances would have gotten rid of him long before things escalated.

 

Onto the topic of Piggy, we did in fact contact most of your bloc about the issue of hiring mercs and what we would do in retaliation of such things coming to fruition and most agreed with us that it's not acceptable and they would talk to you. I do not doubt that they did indeed talk to you and you did indeed know what the consequences of such things would be @RH or @Jeric could probably vouch on this. When we see that Spanky was "removed" and put into an alliance protted by CTO and led by someone who has Gov roles (including MILCOM) roles in your server as well as CTO milcom clearly presented on their nation desc, then yes we did view this as an attempt to continue harboring such members but leave enough room for deniability.

 

You guys did indeed say you removed both Spanky and Piggy from your alliance and I guess things slowed down from there and the turreting continued. Shortly after that we see things flaring up AGAIN and this is where context is important. When we have already had so many issues and now we see your 2IC and members spying my high gov and general membership then your room to speak about good faith diplomacy and an attempt at de-escalation is out the window. Now you are right, we did slot Krampus as he should have been however once again another thing comes up. Soon after this incident we get a screenshot showing us that Piggy who is supposedly NOT a CTO gov member having GOV + MILCOM + CTO roles IN a BLOC server then we have no reason to believe whatever you guys say from that point forward.

 

You can claim they are working on your bot all you want but the fact of the matter is, most people who work on bots in bloc servers are put off in their own bot spam channels and definitely don't have MILCOM + GOV roles and DEFINITELY DO NOT give input on bloc matters as we saw Piggy do in the screenshots.

 

If we had already raised concerns about this being a possible ghost, you should have taken the appropriate measures and ensured that this person does not seem in any way tied to CTO but you did not. Looking from outside in, all we can see is you attempted to cover up for your members ghosting and refused to accept responsibility for their actions.

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On 11/12/2022 at 2:21 AM, Alexander the Great said:

I pledge allegiance,  
to the flag
of Aurora.
One alliance,  
under Kan and Toxic. 
With ROI 
and growth for all. 
Furthermore,  
I am of the opinion  
that CTO 
must be destroyed.

Aurora forever.

Inspired by your text I created this :P

 

 

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On 11/12/2022 at 2:57 AM, evilpiggyfoofoo said:

So I am a ghost.... and Aurora is somehow the victim here?

Lets see... I was slotted by Aurora while not being in CTO

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And when you realize oh shit piggy can deal $10B in damage to us, you decide to start crying to CTO and TKR's FA about me 

Then when I offered you peace 3 separate times, Kan apologized and still yall played telephone with me :)

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Keep crying cus a pig with no army managed to beige a third of your alliance and both of your allies' leaders (thx RH and Minesome)

How can I trust in any word coming from a criminal who lost in court... dude pleaseimage.thumb.png.14243d7f863df6a04a3090ff70a40f5a.png

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