Popular Post Keegoz Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 I'll try to make it count. I have been increasingly busy these days irl and on top of that I am half managing a war, so please forgive if I am not completely on the same page. That said, when I see what the game is turning into... The agreement between Celestial and HW is a farce, and we all know it. They couldn't defend it on radio and have purposefully ignored the precedent argument in every thread I came across. It's clear what this is for, and that is to pixel hug. The two largest blocs/spheres are straight up arguing why they should not fight each other and actively working together to ensure the others cannot possibly do so (which was already pretty impossible to begin with). Then hit back at the community for criticising them about stagnation... Let's break down some of the arguments and I'll start with probably the most interesting part of this thread. Point 1: Clock has chained a war so therefore we're justified. Not really sure how to put this, but Clock didn't just preempt Rose for fun. Blackwater made it a condition of their support in the Myoasis conflict merely an hour out from our planned hit that was already agreed. Desperate (and sleep deprived) I offered an old plan of us hitting Rose post-minc hit. Wana formally made it a part of the deal. I do therefore find it kinda hypocritical to say that our actions caused this sphere MDP when t$ was the ones who forced clock into having no options. It's also extremely amusing that they screwed Rose over and then signed them immediately after. Should serve as a warning for anyone planning to work with t$, this is how they conduct their FA. Even if that wasn't the case, Clock has chained 1 war. I don't think you can argue this is a common Clock action and there is no proof to say we intended to ever do it again. For full disclosure, we had no plans to hit HW or Celestial. Point 2: We don't want to fight wars with similar people Look, in terms of points made by the two sides. I kinda understand this one, repeats are boring. That's basically where the sympathy ends. Celestial and HW have very much forced themselves into this political environment. They are the only two spheres who can feasibly beat each other, whilst they can easily defeat the rest. I don't see how you can call the community out on expecting that war when you have more or less created a scenario where that is the only fair war you can have. I also do not think you can complain that the community believes this environment is beginning to stagnate the game, because it is. If you don't want to fight certain alliances, well change the environment. Everyone else in the game has no feasible way of competing with your top tier and Alex has made it that top tiers decide wars. Point 3: We could have done this in secret, or made it less optional etc. or if you didn't plan anything why does it matter Won't spend much time on this. Those that applauded that this happened and more or less argued "Hey it could have been worse" are just a joke. Why does it matter? Well why does any of it matter? Can we just make moves because it's feasible that something could happen? Do we all sign MDPs when others go to war? Again the precedent set is terrible and will likely have a dumb agreement in a years time for alliances to "sign up" to never do it again. Concluding remarks The game is in a really bad spot at the moment imo. Politics is not healthy and we're once again seeing moves that have no consideration for the games health but *pure* self interest. Unfortunately as it is, the majors in this game also have, I would argue, a larger responsibility to keep this game interesting and healthy. Not doing so means that we might as well quit here, it is a game after all. To HW and Celestial, the game is upset because they want a fun game and you've banded together to create an environment which is becoming increasingly stagnant and stale. Laughing at them because they have no way of stopping you is a bad place to go down. We've seen it once and I had hoped we vowed not to see it happen again. Take the hint and be better. 5 1 1 69 3 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Danzek Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 I think it was pointed out by kev, but TKR chained from surfs up to hit Opus Dei in npo's last time and they stayed milled after the last ride, secretly formed HW and chained to blitz Rose in Guns & Roses. the notion that chaining is some new game breaking meta that needs to be shut down by the two biggest spheres is stupid. 33 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arln Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Everyone chaining into Rose 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 This a bigger bombshell than Hawaii in 1941 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ayayay Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 18 1 Quote Orbis Wars | CSI: UPN | B I G O O F | PW Expert Has Nerve To Tell You How To Run Your Own Goddamn Alliance | Occupy Wall Street | Sheepy Sings TheNG - My favorite part is when Steve suggests DEIC might have done something remotely successful, then gets massively shit on for proposing such a stupid idea. On 1/4/2016 at 6:37 PM, Sheepy said: This was !@#$ing gold. 10/10 possibly my favorite post on these forums yet. Sheepy said: I'm retarded, you win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Cannot Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) im too lazy to edit flags so just use your imagination please. (i lied i decided to put a little effort into it) a vibe(1)(1)(1).mp4 Edited May 27, 2022 by Sweden Ball 5 Quote Hi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vice Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Wasn’t keegoz part of the Hollywood formation and subsequent “pseudo” chain and then part of the clock chain? I’m sure that whole dumpster fire in which you had a leadership role in was totally not out of self interest. We really appreciate what you do keegoz that is purely for the game. It’s not fair how many arrows you have to take for us keeping this game fun. p.s. I’m not supporting the treaty. Just showing you sound like you are on a high horse that really isn’t all that high. psps yes I know I am one to talk pspspsps here kitty kitty 2 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Keegoz Posted May 27, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Vice said: Wasn’t keegoz part of the Hollywood formation and subsequent “pseudo” chain and then part of the clock chain? I’m sure that whole dumpster fire in which you had a leadership role in was totally not out of self interest. We really appreciate what you do keegoz that is purely for the game. It’s not fair how many arrows you have to take for us keeping this game fun. p.s. I’m not supporting the treaty. Just showing you sound like you are on a high horse that really isn’t all that high. psps yes I know I am one to talk pspspsps here kitty kitty You mean the second chain that I was forced to do? And what is exactly wrong with chaining? 12 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KindaEpicMoah Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vice said: p.s. I’m not supporting the treaty. Just showing you sound like you are on a high horse that really isn’t all that high. ? I don't think we're trying to argue that we have some sort of moral high ground. It's HW and Celestial who immediately ran to the moral high ground argument first, claiming that their dogshit pixelhugging treaty was "good for game dynamics" and painting Clock as being war hungry maniacs (which I do not mind) who chain off of weaker spheres (this I do mind) to hit unprepared stronger spheres (like Rose didn't see us coming from a mile away in GW21). The point Keegoz is making is that it's idiotic for these people (especially T$) to claim the moral high ground when what they're doing is exactly the kind of thing they'd decry if anyone else did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Charles Bolivar Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 Ironic to criticise others for promoting self-interest whilst simultaneously promoting a vision for the game which happens to promote one's own self-interest. This game is governed by self-interest. Always has and always will be. 4 6 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vice Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, Keegoz said: You mean the second chain that I was forced to do? And what is exactly wrong with chaining? So now we only play by what you deem as healthy. Maybe I think chaining is unhealthy. Maybe it’s the catalyst for all this? Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xi Jinping Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Couldn’t have said it better myself. Let’s all hope something happens in the coming days that dissuades HollyRose, or anyone really, from ever trying this again. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said: Ironic to criticise others for promoting self-interest whilst simultaneously promoting a vision for the game which happens to promote one's own self-interest. This game is governed by self-interest. Always has and always will be. When your self-interests lead back to bipolarity, or even one would argue, to the formation of an hegemony whenever it suits them de facto killing the game, I think you should start putting yourself back in question. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vein Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 59 minutes ago, Keegoz said: 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kevanovia Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 17 minutes ago, Vice said: So now we only play by what you deem as healthy. Maybe I think chaining is unhealthy. Maybe it’s the catalyst for all this? Just a thought. From reading the OP, it appears that Keegoz is calling out the hypocrisy of the people now decrying chaining wars (and using said outcry to justify this bloc-to-bloc MDP) when they were the ones who called for it in earlier wars. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Keynes Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) Great post, as always All y'all need to git gud Chaining wars should not be the only reason behind signing such a despicable treaty Edited May 27, 2022 by Key 1 Quote My opinion may not reflect those of my alliance or its affiliates. Please read at your own discretion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arln Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said: Ironic to criticise others for promoting self-interest whilst simultaneously promoting a vision for the game which happens to promote one's own self-interest. This game is governed by self-interest. Always has and always will be. Serving self interest is good. I agree. Russia is doing great things out there serving it’s own self interest. 🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺🇷🇺 Point is yes you serve self interest, but do so mindfully. Edited May 27, 2022 by Arln 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dullard Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Game leadership is the worst it’s been in recent, and not so recent, memory 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefonteen Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) I tried my best to prevent your creation -hollywood- from growing out of control. You !@#$ed up and yes, tS failed to contain your !@#$up. Many of the people who now cry foul also cried foul when tS did fight grumpy. TS owes you nothing. This is not our fight any longer. Go fix it yourself. Edited May 27, 2022 by Prefonteen 7 7 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted May 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 27, 2022 It's weird that Clock could have fought one of us with fairly equal footing till about a week ago, and never choose to do that either. Instead they choose to take an easy fight against BR with a CB that Keegz made some logic jumps and stretched truth to say we told clock. (convenient for him, gets to hit BR, and make us look bad at the same time) I have said it once, I will say it again, I dont trust any of you clowns, Ro$e or Clock, and this agreement basically covers both of you, and I am not going to apologize for it. For the record if people I am not allied to want us to do something, its not because they think it will help us, its because it will help them, and in that case... I am not in the business of helping you beat me. 6 6 21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiloist II Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 18 minutes ago, Kevanovia said: From reading the OP, it appears that Keegoz is calling out the hypocrisy of the people now decrying chaining wars (and using said outcry to justify this bloc-to-bloc MDP) when they were the ones who called for it in earlier wars. That’s what I took away from this. You took the words out of my mouth. I can still remember the exact reasoning for why we chained into IQ when Soup Kitchen was a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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