Popular Post Raphael Posted May 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2022 A tale as old as time. Once-competent leaders who have run out of time to play the game, if your alliance is lucky they "retire" into an advisor position and help out now and then - but more often than not they sit in high gov chats simply to disagree with the current gov and offer contrarian opinions on the way the current people want to move forward. The exceptional retiree is great, but the usual are regressive. If you're unlucky, your leader retires mentally without ever informing anyone or actually stepping down. They gradually answer fewer pings or DM's, eventually it becomes an accepted fact that your leader checks in maybe once a day, once every other day, likely without reading most of the relevant information - and logs right back out. Â I've been guilty of it myself as leader or gov, everyone experiences burnout. The problem is when the retirees cling to their vestiges of power in every single alliance that the new blood can never rise to the top. It is the nature of things that newer, less experienced people come into their own time to do things their way. Stop preventing that in your alliance out of fear they'll "mess something up" because this is a browser game and competence is an illusion. 99% of alliances are trash unless their membership is hyperactive and engaged. If you want engagement then you need to do things and keep life flowing. A good gardener must cut away the dying leaves and branches to make room for new growth. That's not to say you should delete if you're old, just to say give other people a freaking chance. If you alliance is too far gone then disband and let people disperse into other communities that can benefit from the influx. Start up merger talks if you're too small to ever do anything. FREAKING RETIRE AND KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF THINGS Â Â Â Â Â Â disclaimer: There are some good retirees that genuinely offer service to their alliance. Hi Adrienne. 1 21 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystic Piano Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 And that's why friends, democracy exists 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted May 21, 2022 Author Share Posted May 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Mystic Piano said: And that's why friends, democracy exists I've unironically been pitching democracy as a solution for quite awhile. 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosta Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 You make quite a good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Denison Posted May 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 21, 2022 Or just base your gov on Meritocracy instead of personal feelings. Problem is a lot of alliances don't have the people willing to do the jobs, such as MA or IA, and former leaders or retirees are forced into these roles to keep their alliance afloat. This doesn't help anyone in terms of development of their alliance and only forces them back into roles that they had long since wanted to part ways with. However I am not sure telling people to stay retired is a complete solution to the source of the problem. Obviously you have people like Nokia who return every other month that they quit the game but have you ever thought of the reasons for why? When TCM was a thing he often was forced to return for the same reasons I stated above. But does that mean that an alliance should not exist if it can't live without retired gov? That is for the people of these alliances to decide. "Democracy" may be the solution to irl problems, but in game, not so much. It's inefficient in the game and often the best Meritocracy will out perform the best Democracy. There are not many alliances in the game where Democracy is the best idea because they do not have enough people in the alliance to make it work. I know this is not directly correlated to the game but bare with me, "For the first time, Pew Research asked a question about who seeks out these offices and found that about 2% of Americans say they have ever run for federal, local, or state elected office." Now if you're willing to be so courteous, extrapolate that to a game or an alliance and you'll understand. Burnout is real and I have burned out several times playing this game and many times have had to will myself through it for the betterment of my alliance and the people I care for. I understand my post may not be answering all of the things you stated or may have gone off on some weird tangent, but try to look at it from their point of view. Obviously there will be those bad few and those exceptions(Adrienne). 1 6 Quote  Janny Larpers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted May 21, 2022 Author Share Posted May 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Denison said: Or just base your gov on Meritocracy instead of personal feelings. Problem is a lot of alliances don't have the people willing to do the jobs, such as MA or IA, and former leaders or retirees are forced into these roles to keep their alliance afloat. This doesn't help anyone in terms of development of their alliance and only forces them back into roles that they had long since wanted to part ways with. However I am not sure telling people to stay retired is a complete solution to the source of the problem. Obviously you have people like Nokia who return every other month that they quit the game but have you ever thought of the reasons for why? When TCM was a thing he often was forced to return for the same reasons I stated above. But does that mean that an alliance should not exist if it can't live without retired gov? That is for the people of these alliances to decide. "Democracy" may be the solution to irl problems, but in game, not so much. It's inefficient in the game and often the best Meritocracy will out perform the best Democracy. There are not many alliances in the game where Democracy is the best idea because they do not have enough people in the alliance to make it work. I know this is not directly correlated to the game but bare with me, "For the first time, Pew Research asked a question about who seeks out these offices and found that about 2% of Americans say they have ever run for federal, local, or state elected office." Now if you're willing to be so courteous, extrapolate that to a game or an alliance and you'll understand. Burnout is real and I have burned out several times playing this game and many times have had to will myself through it for the betterment of my alliance and the people I care for. I understand my post may not be answering all of the things you stated or may have gone off on some weird tangent, but try to look at it from their point of view. Obviously there will be those bad few and those exceptions(Adrienne). To clarify, I'm more talking about the 1st or 2nd in commands or FA heads. The political people. Having literally anyone willing to step up and run a department with competence is a good thing - but FA itself isn't really a slog it's a sandbox. The problem is the retirees get in the sandbox and basically take a nap while yelling at anyone else being loud - forgetting they're on the playground not their bedroom. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Payne III Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I'm hurt. 💔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 Mind if add this excerpt to the satirical "How to Run Your Goddamn Alliance" handbook?? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I think I have gotten better in my old age though :v 3 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent W Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 I didn’t peak in 2016, I’m still out here getting cuter. 3 1 Quote Former Imperial Officer of Internal Affairs and Emperor of the New Pacific Order, Founder of the Syndicate, Current Chief Global Strategist of the Syndicate.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkblade Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 14 minutes ago, Agent W said: I didn’t peak in 2016, I’m still out here getting cuter. Jack Harlow, is that you? If so, can I get a autograph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Keegoz said: I think I have gotten better in my old age though  3 hours ago, Agent W said: I didn’t peak in 2016, I’m still out here getting cuter. Are either of you even 30 yet? 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said:  Are either of you even 30 yet? 😂 No... is mid 20s not old age? Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benfro Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said:  Are either of you even 30 yet? 😂 I turned 30 last week and celebrated with @Adrienne IRL. Fite me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Buorhann Posted May 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted May 22, 2022 Not a single "experienced" leader likes this topic I see. Good. It's a shit topic.  Some communities rely on their "retired leaders". If players want a change, then they need to make it happen. While I personally "retired" and "disbanded" my community to hopefully come back and see new faces around, I completely understand why some alliances keep their leaders around and continue to let them influence their decisions. It's not just an alliance decision, it's a literal community decision. 9 Quote Warrior of Dio  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyubnyan Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 22 hours ago, Mystic Piano said: And that's why friends, democracy exists 3 Quote Humans cannot create anything out of nothingness. Humans cannot accomplish anything without holding onto something. After all, humans are not gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denison Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 2 hours ago, Kyubnyan said:  5 Quote  Janny Larpers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 20 hours ago, Keegoz said: No... is mid 20s not old age? Nope. Gotta at least some grey on you first. I actually think the real test is how you feel about Bunnings. Once you become excited about going there to look at random stuff and ponder upon what projects you can do around the home, that's when you become officially old or at least middle aged. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Might as well call out who you think is guilty of this? I think, at best, your evidence is anecdotal. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 5/21/2022 at 9:39 PM, Keegoz said: No... is mid 20s not old age? bless your heart. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firwof Kromwell Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 On 5/22/2022 at 8:46 AM, Kyubnyan said: this is comin from one of the top aa's high gov whom are harboring FSO under their wing whom wanted to see what they can do due their war performance in Castle Clash. Also, it does depend on the type of democracy along how ppl are able to flex their abilities even hone them w/ minimal gov intervention unless aa standards are majorly comprised (including gaining knowledge & rss on ones own will instead of lettin another control that). Lettin ppl do as they please w/ minimally yet understandable restrictive regulation while giving high expectations will naturally make ppl compete w/ each other on their own rather forcing it, making it more worthwhile for bonding together. Quote                     I personally voice my own thought processes based on own desires of informational curiosity as well love for discussion based on questions & statements I made rather just trusting info like a collective hivemind Onlookers whom hop aboard the brainless bandwagon refusing inter-articulation based on assumed feelings, go give yo balls a tug ya tit fugger     Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etat Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 On 5/23/2022 at 8:10 AM, Charles Bolivar said: Nope. Gotta at least some grey on you first. I actually think the real test is how you feel about Bunnings. Once you become excited about going there to look at random stuff and ponder upon what projects you can do around the home, that's when you become officially old or at least middle aged. Old is when you stay contracted with Telstra so you have someone to argue with every month!  Gotta keep the heart pumping somehow Quote Celer Et Audax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Do we start a thread about how non-retired leaders are also killing the game? 2 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartarus Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 Members are killing the game. By joining such anti-democratic crusaders like the Syndicate, these members are enabling their dictatorial behaviors. TDLR: Members kill the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightKnight Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, Tartarus said: Members are killing the game. By joining such anti-democratic crusaders like the Syndicate, these members are enabling their dictatorial behaviors. TDLR: Members kill the game. 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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