John M Keynes Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 4 2 3 Quote My opinion may not reflect those of my alliance or its affiliates. Please read at your own discretion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sval Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 My very best wishes to all involved with this new endeavour. May it server you well going forwards. 6 Quote <~Sval[OWR]> I am your father.<+Curufinwe> Can confirm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobert Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 and there goes any hope of rebuilding my WC ._. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 19 minutes ago, Agent W said: What we have now is tripolarity. You very well know that had things remained the same, Rose/BW would have been the 3rd and 4th most powerful spheres to Clock/HW. I understand that you're mad that this move makes your job harder, but spare me the moral grandstanding. Yes, yes. Because 2 spheres holding 65-70% of the c30s+ in the game is not bipolarity. Tripolarity ? You're just trying to consolidate the upper tier to make yourself unkillable in that tier. As if Clock could stand any chance to beat Ro$e or HW at c30+ by being outnumbered over 2:1 by Ro$e or outtiered by HW, so spare me your moral grandstanding. 26 minutes ago, Hwan said: Of course, it's only a multipolar world if GOB is by far the strongest sphere, right? I see you as the kind of guy who tries to fight fire with fire. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mac Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 44 minutes ago, Dream said: "We did support multipolar orbis, but we also like being the largest so screw multipolarity" ~ Ro$e FA I'm sorry. Have a quick look at a score graph, or use a calculator and do some maths, then blink twice when you realise that Celestial is smaller than HW.. 1 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mac Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Pascal said: Yes, yes. Because 2 spheres holding 65-70% of the c30s+ in the game is not bipolarity. Yes, yes. Because 2 spheres holding over 60% of the c40s+ in the game definitely is not bipolarity. Cmon Pascal, ironic isn't it? Edited March 12, 2022 by Big Mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pascal Posted March 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Big Mac said: Yes, yes. Because 2 spheres holding over half of the c40s+ in the game definitely is not bipolarity. Cmon Pascal, ironic isn't it? There are around 400 c30s+ in the game, about 50 c40+. Try again with points that make realistically more sense next time. Edited March 12, 2022 by Pascal 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey_wall Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 worst kept secret of 2022. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hidude45454 Posted March 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2022 How many people can I piss off with one forum post? lmao at Rose for proving how good of an ally they are by kicking out their allies right after signing them lmao at Rose for abandoning MHC right when they were trying to get a good thing going lmao at tS for stopping complaining about the Grumpy issue just so they could make a bigger whale tier lmao at tS for signing Rose after hating on them for so long lmao at HS for dropping all their Nexus allies lmao at ASM for having to sign tS and others after calling them N*zis lmao at CTO for getting dropped in favor of RnR lmao at Legion and OWR who honestly performed badly enough to warrant being dropped lmao at CoA and Polaris for not being wanted by yet another sphere lmao at Nexus for finally getting dropped after tS probably wanting to do it for so long lmao at BW disbanding after the first loss lmao at Ro$e for having a low tier that HM outnumbers lmao at Ro$e for choosing to !@#$ their reputation even more just to make the tiering chart go wheee lmao at Johnsons for probably being the biggest sphere city count-wise now and not being able to do anything with it lmao at Clock for having an even bigger whale tier to worry about than HW's lmao at HW for probably being the guy everyone wants to fight this monstrosity now lmao at everyone who was excited to see 4 major spheres for once Welcome back to Orbis, Paragon. 16 13 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Kun -George Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Agent W said: This move has nothing to do with Grumpy. My position on Grumpy has not changed. I do not seek another war with HW. Jesus Wana, I don't know why your bothering to sit here and grandstand, the fact is your smart enough to know the reaction this will get and your smart enough to know damn well the game will see through this. Are you really going to try to continue to argue you don't want another HW war? So are you saying your now focused on Clock or going to roll spheres much smaller? 9 hours ago, Agent W said: What we have now is tripolarity. You very well know that had things remained the same, Rose/BW would have been the 3rd and 4th most powerful spheres to Clock/HW. I understand that you're mad that this move makes your job harder, but spare me the moral grandstanding. Thank you for the great powers that be to once again force their way upon us all, much appreciated. Rose and T$ are both old alliances that have the skill and ability to form spheres around them creating a dynamic environment, this just kills politics. Taking a loss once a while is per corse of the game. <removed, accuracy> Syndi as far as I've even seen just wants to acquire power. Now on the other hand, Rose shocked me and disappointed me, after the long conversations I've had with Valk, Harry, Abbas and other representatives over the last few years, this move is completely out of step for what Rose claimed to be and stand for. 9 hours ago, Agent W said: We are strong in the 20's-30's, but weaker on both extremes. Calling this Quack 2.0 is propaganda that is not based in reality. Posting a chart that proves everyone's point was a curious decision, you through process must imagine we can't read through the lines and see the actual state of things. Edited March 13, 2022 by Azazel 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mac Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 7 minutes ago, Pascal said: There are around 400 c30s+ in the game, about 50 c40+. Try again with points that make realistically more sense next time. Clock has over half the number of c40s than Ro$e does, HW has four times as many. We have the most C30+ yes, but wars aren't solely won in this tier. HW aren't far behind us in this tier either. BW and MHC were quite clearly spheres 3 and 4, and with no sign of HW downsizing any time in the future, something needed to be done. I appreciate where you're coming from a Clock perspective, but this is what's happening - so live with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMorf Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Darth Ataxia said: I wish I had the ego HW has to think everything is about them. You guys must get all the girls. or maybe just maybe it’s all of the t$ RON crew saying this actually exactly about Hollywood. But hey, gotta stunt on the forums right?? 1 1 Quote The Knights Radiant Ghostblood Babsk of Foreign Affairs Journey before Destination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampus Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 15 minutes ago, BigMorf said: or maybe just maybe it’s all of the t$ RON crew saying this actually exactly about Hollywood. But hey, gotta stunt on the forums right?? sir, we're an equal opportunity business, you're very welcome to make a tkr ron crew :epic: 2 Quote Inform Zigbir I have forgotten how to edit the signature field Please remind me how to do it post haste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Mac Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 9 minutes ago, Azazel said: Thank you for the great powers that be to once again force their way upon us all, much appreciated. Rose and T$ are both old alliances that have the skill and ability to form spheres around them creating a dynamic environment, this just kills politics. Taking a loss once a while is per corse of the game. However I don't put this past you what so ever, you never wanted TKR to leave your sphere and your FA admitted that (can't recall who it was at the time), Syndi as far as I've even seen just wants to aquire power. Now on the other hand, Rose shocked me and disappointed me, after the long conversations I've had with Valk, Harry, Abbas and other representatives over the last few years, this move is completely out of step for what Rose claimed to be and stand for. T$ didn't want TKR to leave their sphere? I'm sorry where are coming from here? From someone who was there I can say with certainty that the departure and breakup of Quack was mutual on both sides. Both sides realised the complexity of T$ and TKR being together along with Nexus, BK, tO and CoA and sought to mitigate that. From what you're saying - you are for some reason comparing Celestial to Quack, which utterly baffles me. T$ and Rose becoming partners in no way represents the size of Quack - so don't use that false line. 9 minutes ago, Azazel said: Posting a chart that proves everyone's point was a curious decision, you through process must imagine we can't read through the lines and see the actual state of things. Read through the lines? Mate, maybe if you read the damn lines and look at the c40 tier HW and Clock still command, you will see the "actual state of things." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thalmor Posted March 12, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 12, 2022 You ever get so dunked on by a forum thread that you form a megasphere? Lmao. 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgiumFury Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Kyubnyan said: I'm ready to upgrade our super sekrit MDAP to a public PIAT whenever you are. samesame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) It saddens me a bit that three pages deep the majority of the arguments have fallen on the tiering of this new sphere and not much else. In my mind, it's just as important to recognize that while Rose and T$ have probably been riding on laurels for a bit - they're still huge political entities in this game. If WANA or Harry show up in your DM's, you will likely listen to what they have to say even in disagreement. Compare this political influence with (sorry I'm about to offend a few people) ASM, HS, or RnR and you can kind of grasp what I'm saying. Consolidation of the movers and shakers of Orbis into a single sphere brings back Quack memories for a lot of people and portends of movement back towards a more bipolar world. Some points have been raised here already that outside of Hollywood, and even potentially within Hollywood, this move now forces people to look at how they will be able to remain competitive in terms of political influence as well as military might/tiering. I recall back in the day Syndicate specifically would pride itself on quality over quantity and it seems lately that focus has shifted fully in the opposite direction, where Syndicate cannot feel safe without an overwhelming margin in the tiers where wars are usually decided (c20+). Similarly with Rose, you guys lost enough wars with a superior on-paper coalition to (usually) Syndicate's superior coordination/activity/skill especially in the early years. Surely the lesson sunk in somewhere that size wasn't everything. Combine this with Rose's recent success as a power-broker alliance, I would doubly think you guys would be aware of the strength of soft power and power projection rather than simply stacking tiers out of... I guess fear? I'm not really sure what the onus from Rose's side of things were here since MHC seemed to be doing fine. On a positive note: I expected this sphere to end up larger than it actually was, so I am grateful for that. I think you guys tried to keep things to a minimum where you could, so kudos but I just don't think the goal was accomplished. Edited March 12, 2022 by roberts 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactical Eclipse Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 May the celestial stars in the skies reign supreme 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustJinx Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Let's be honest, We all saw it coming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Istandor Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 Ah the surprise reveal 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxTeller Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 3 hours ago, WarriorSoul said: one L and you sign Rose. actions speak louder 😉 one L and you signed TI. Ya'll are getting lazy with your PR. Someone do a halfway decent job at least. Quote Ascended of Event Horizon John the Revelator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 (edited) Does this mean we can finally stop talking about mini-spheres like it was ever anything more than some illusionary pipe dream? This game has existed within essentially a bi-polar state for years. This latest treaty only officially confirms such a reality, and renders the notion of anything different as having been nothing more than a pleasant fiction utilised as a kitchen sink justification to suit any and all intended purposes. I'm just glad we are back to the good ol days. Edited March 12, 2022 by Charles Bolivar 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaxTeller Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 8 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said: Does this mean we can finally stop talking about mini-spheres like it was ever anything more than some illusionary pipe dream? This game has existed within essentially a bi-polar state for years. This latest treaty only officially confirms such a reality, and renders the notion of anything different as having been nothing more than a pleasant fiction utilised as a kitchen sink justification to suit any and all intended purposes. I'm just glad we are back to the good ol days. tbf it is much more of a tripolarity, and if the remnants of blackwater and rosesphere can put together a decent block it might be a quadpolarity. 2 1 Quote Ascended of Event Horizon John the Revelator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorSoul Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 23 minutes ago, JaxTeller said: one L and you signed TI. Ya'll are getting lazy with your PR. Someone do a halfway decent job at least. babe i do IA. i'm just here to shit talk and mix it up. don't lower yourself to the amateurs' level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftbehind Posted March 12, 2022 Share Posted March 12, 2022 I was going to say something but hidude sums it up pretty nicely. Simply LMAO 2 Quote FORMER LEADER OF COTL. PLEASE GROW INTERNALLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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