Aglet Guyn Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Remember, this isn't a discussion about politics, so no opinions 'my alliance is the best,' or 'That alliance sucks.' I'm talking about on paper, based on whatever damage figures the bots run in the PnW server, numerically who is known for consistently having good militaries? People who coordinate well together, counter for each other well, whatever metrics one associates with having a strong fighting force. This isn't a political thread, so if these are all jerks, multis, rerolls, sociopaths, Blackwater, or whatever synonyms of those words fit together, let's not debate such things. If you're on the OWF, your political views are well-known. But what alliances do you most want on your side in a war, even if you have an entire bloc or sphere arrayed against you? (or would you want, if it's a situation where they're great in the browser game but you personally can't trust them or like them.) * * * Or conversely, at the end of the day, does military competence not matter that much and it's just a tiering and numbers game, like the English rule of attrition? (20 guys who suck can fight 7 great guys because they have 13 extra guys.) Remember, this is theorycraft about military strength of alliances, so please don't turn it into a political screed on your opinion on bloated alliances, blocs, spheres, or whatever, or if some alliance leader is your hero or your enemy. Nor do I care about some alliance from 5 years ago. If Jaden and his 1400 inactive applicants make SoS the best alliance on paper, since theoretically they can all go active tomorrow, then it is what it is. If the answer is some 6-man micro that have been together for 4 years, then it is what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Knox Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Being completely unbiased (even though they are in my bloc), I have heard and seen many good things from the militaries of Eclipse, Cataclysm, and Hand of Fate. I've also heard good things about The Knights Radiant's military prowess. Those are the most notable that come to mind, for me, and if I missed some (can guarantee I did) it's because I haven't been in the broader meta long enough to have seen/heard the others' military capabilities in a significant way. 4 Quote Federation of Knox Enlightened of Chaos, Event Horizon QA Team and API Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramona Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 My alliance is the best, that alliance SUCKS. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 HoF > TKR > everyone else really theres also a few smaller groups that can def handle themselves 1 Quote Throw me to the wolves and I’ll return leading the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John M Keynes Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) Hand of Fate and Oblivious have consistently dealt the most damage against their foes throughout their war efforts. Both are tiered around the city 20 - city 30 range, so it becomes much easier to coordinate when members are at a similar score range. However, military competence can also play a role. Opening with a dogfight vs Spamming navals or Flooding an Alliance vs Beige Cycling can make the difference between winning and losing the war. Edited February 14, 2022 by Key 1 Quote My opinion may not reflect those of my alliance or its affiliates. Please read at your own discretion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 19 hours ago, Aglet Guyn said: But what alliances do you most want on your side in a war, even if you have an entire bloc or sphere arrayed against you? All the alliances in Hollywood, my entire FA strat is based around getting allies I want to fight with in a war. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katashimon13 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 (edited) i nominate OG tjest everyone else is lacking in one category or another compared to them at varying time frames as for measuring things by numbers lets not conflate stat padding w competency discipline of ignoring glory for executing on the goals of the war should be weighed as well if countering for each other well includes knowing when -not- to save someone... im okay w this basically it boils down to least avg sleep/life/joy per player in a given group On 2/13/2022 at 6:02 PM, Aglet Guyn said: not political but imma attack political entities in this post... but remember not political everybody rawr Edited February 15, 2022 by katashimon13 rawr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aglet Guyn Posted February 15, 2022 Author Share Posted February 15, 2022 23 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: All the alliances in Hollywood, my entire FA strat is based around getting allies I want to fight with in a war. Your applicant pool confuses me; I don't understand anyone except Verlion being there. I thought you were all C30s, but your applicant pool confused me: Do you keep these guys around, training them until they're C30 and then admit them? I think (at his current speed) Lucas can get there by 2025. But I guess if you guys ever start up CryingYoungBabies, there's your leadership team right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I am too lazy to keep switching applicants on and off, and I like to see which 3 city nations want to join an alliance that averages around 40 cities. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rein Dvorak Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) Could it be that Verlion is in vacation mode for over 3,000+ turns? Edited February 16, 2022 by Audax 3000 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Best Large alliance (100+ members): Rose Best Old School Alliance: Guardian Best Newer Alliance: Hand of Fate Best Alliance That is no longer Around: Terminus Est (Version ElPinachzo/Pre) Overall: Syndicate Special Mention: Arrgh Note, I don't include Mythic, or the OG Justice Department in any of these ratings as those were less about political warfare and such. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aglet Guyn Posted February 18, 2022 Author Share Posted February 18, 2022 On 2/17/2022 at 9:20 AM, Prefontaine said: Best Large alliance (100+ members): Rose Best Old School Alliance: Guardian Best Newer Alliance: Hand of Fate Best Alliance That is no longer Around: Terminus Est (Version ElPinachzo/Pre) Overall: Syndicate Special Mention: Arrgh Note, I don't include Mythic, or the OG Justice Department in any of these ratings as those were less about political warfare and such. Well, you kind of rambled all over the place, but you did answer the question, so I won't quibble. The thread has a quorum consensus and all that. Thank you all! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indger Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 HoF, Oblivion and TKR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floydpricees Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 2/16/2022 at 9:33 PM, Sweeeeet Ronny D said: I am too lazy to keep switching applicants on and off, and I like to see which 3 city nations want to join an alliance that averages around 40 cities. flagle All of the alliances in Hollywood, and my entire FA strategy, are focused on acquiring war allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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