Wiki Mod Popular Post Dr Rush Posted February 11, 2022 Wiki Mod Popular Post Share Posted February 11, 2022 12 hours ago, Deraj said: Bork Bot kicked from main PnW server…is certainly interesting. I'm traumatized and have severe paranoia. I've removed the bot as a safety precaution until shit is sorted out. Its SoP in this kind of situation. It should not be used as evidence either way on the issue. 1 6 Quote 23:38 Skable that's why we don't want Rose involved, so we can take the m all for ourselves 23:39 [] but Mensa is the cute girl at the school dance and she's only dancing with us right now to get our friend jealous 23:39 [] If Rose comes in and gives Mensa what she wants, she'll just toss us aside and forget we ever existed 23:39 zombie_lanae yeah I do hope we can keep having them all to ourselves 23:40 zombie_lanae I know it's selfish but I want all their love 6:55 PM <+Isolatar> Praise Dio Pubstomper|BNC [20:01:55] Rose wouldn't plan a hit on Mensa because it would be !@#$ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Popular Post Alex Posted February 15, 2022 Administrators Popular Post Share Posted February 15, 2022 Hey everyone, Sorry about my absence recently. I have been going through some real life stuff that has kept me away. This is far from an 'official position' on this whole thing, but I figured I'd toss out my initial impression. The screenshot in the OP reads very clearly like a joke to me. It's also not exactly clear to me at this point what the actual 'exploit' allegation against Borg is? With the NPO / GPWC situation, NPO was basically recruiting ~1,000 people to sign up and play P&W, do 100/100% taxes, and just farm stuff for NPO in exchange for access to a Discord server that had English translations of Korean comics (manhwa) that you couldn't really get anywhere else. NPO (& allies) benefitted heavily from this, and ultimately I took action against them because I interpreted what they were doing as trading real-life "goods" for in-game "goods" (and obviously it was just unfair.) But as far as I can recall, there was no 'exploit' due to any technical issues or anything. They didn't make bots, they were recruiting real people, and making them play the game and farm money/rss in exchange to retain access to their manhwa Discord server. So, again, I'm not really sure how Borg would have been involved in that, or where the exploit allegations are coming from. But I am also just getting back into the swing of things and haven't had a chance to even get on Discord yet to chat with other people and learn more about the situation. Lastly, I'll just add that Borg has been really helpful since he started playing P&W behind the scenes. There have probably been between 10-30 XSS/SQL injection vulnerabilities in the game that Borg was able to expose and always immediately reported to me to fix. Including at least 2 that I recall from 10-14 days ago regarding the new alliance positions update that is in testing on the test server which I still need to get to and fix. This is certainly not an acquittal, but I imagine most people would not know that Borg has been extremely helpful in keeping the game's code secure, and I have even consulted with him before on new stuff to help ensure there are no vulnerabilities. So, anyway, I will continue to learn more about this whole situation and get back to you all with a more official answer. But at least after an initial read of just this thread, my impression is that Borg was just making a joke and it got taken out of context and blown up into a whole silly thing. 1 1 23 Quote Is there a bug? Report It | Not understanding game mechanics? Ask About It | Got a good idea? Suggest ItForums Rules | Game Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgiumFury Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 37 minutes ago, Alex said: This is far from an 'official position' on this whole thing, but I figured I'd toss out my initial impression. The screenshot in the OP reads very clearly like a joke to me. It's also not exactly clear to me at this point what the actual 'exploit' allegation against Borg is? Thanks. Glad to see you're voicing what most people were thinking (out loud). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) He deleted the messages later. Borg wouldn't have done it if he was joking. This clearly shows it has something to do with borg Edited February 16, 2022 by Murat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Murat said: He deleted the messagesl ater. Borg wouldn't have done it if he was joking. Dunno have you never made a joke and realized it may have been in poor taste, then deleted it. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Dusty said: Dunno have you never made a joke and realized it may have been in poor taste, then deleted it. He deleted the entire conversation as far i have heard? Why is it so? Deleting a joke is ok but he wiped only that specific portion Edited February 16, 2022 by Murat 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Alex said: Hey everyone, Sorry about my absence recently. I have been going through some real life stuff that has kept me away. This is far from an 'official position' on this whole thing, but I figured I'd toss out my initial impression. The screenshot in the OP reads very clearly like a joke to me. It's also not exactly clear to me at this point what the actual 'exploit' allegation against Borg is? With the NPO / GPWC situation, NPO was basically recruiting ~1,000 people to sign up and play P&W, do 100/100% taxes, and just farm stuff for NPO in exchange for access to a Discord server that had English translations of Korean comics (manhwa) that you couldn't really get anywhere else. NPO (& allies) benefitted heavily from this, and ultimately I took action against them because I interpreted what they were doing as trading real-life "goods" for in-game "goods" (and obviously it was just unfair.) But as far as I can recall, there was no 'exploit' due to any technical issues or anything. They didn't make bots, they were recruiting real people, and making them play the game and farm money/rss in exchange to retain access to their manhwa Discord server. So, again, I'm not really sure how Borg would have been involved in that, or where the exploit allegations are coming from. But I am also just getting back into the swing of things and haven't had a chance to even get on Discord yet to chat with other people and learn more about the situation. Lastly, I'll just add that Borg has been really helpful since he started playing P&W behind the scenes. There have probably been between 10-30 XSS/SQL injection vulnerabilities in the game that Borg was able to expose and always immediately reported to me to fix. Including at least 2 that I recall from 10-14 days ago regarding the new alliance positions update that is in testing on the test server which I still need to get to and fix. This is certainly not an acquittal, but I imagine most people would not know that Borg has been extremely helpful in keeping the game's code secure, and I have even consulted with him before on new stuff to help ensure there are no vulnerabilities. So, anyway, I will continue to learn more about this whole situation and get back to you all with a more official answer. But at least after an initial read of just this thread, my impression is that Borg was just making a joke and it got taken out of context and blown up into a whole silly thing. This thing cleary says borg is behind it . If borg has helped to fix the game, it dosent means you wont hear our evidence against him. After all, he is a player too and we are one too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deraj Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Alex said: Hey everyone, Sorry about my absence recently. I have been going through some real life stuff that has kept me away. This is far from an 'official position' on this whole thing, but I figured I'd toss out my initial impression. The screenshot in the OP reads very clearly like a joke to me. It's also not exactly clear to me at this point what the actual 'exploit' allegation against Borg is? With the NPO / GPWC situation, NPO was basically recruiting ~1,000 people to sign up and play P&W, do 100/100% taxes, and just farm stuff for NPO in exchange for access to a Discord server that had English translations of Korean comics (manhwa) that you couldn't really get anywhere else. NPO (& allies) benefitted heavily from this, and ultimately I took action against them because I interpreted what they were doing as trading real-life "goods" for in-game "goods" (and obviously it was just unfair.) But as far as I can recall, there was no 'exploit' due to any technical issues or anything. They didn't make bots, they were recruiting real people, and making them play the game and farm money/rss in exchange to retain access to their manhwa Discord server. So, again, I'm not really sure how Borg would have been involved in that, or where the exploit allegations are coming from. But I am also just getting back into the swing of things and haven't had a chance to even get on Discord yet to chat with other people and learn more about the situation. Lastly, I'll just add that Borg has been really helpful since he started playing P&W behind the scenes. There have probably been between 10-30 XSS/SQL injection vulnerabilities in the game that Borg was able to expose and always immediately reported to me to fix. Including at least 2 that I recall from 10-14 days ago regarding the new alliance positions update that is in testing on the test server which I still need to get to and fix. This is certainly not an acquittal, but I imagine most people would not know that Borg has been extremely helpful in keeping the game's code secure, and I have even consulted with him before on new stuff to help ensure there are no vulnerabilities. So, anyway, I will continue to learn more about this whole situation and get back to you all with a more official answer. But at least after an initial read of just this thread, my impression is that Borg was just making a joke and it got taken out of context and blown up into a whole silly thing. Man what a cop out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovin_boi Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Murat said: He deleted the messages later. Borg wouldn't have done it if he was joking. This clearly shows it has something to do with borg Bro do u have any idea what u r Trying to say ? Do u have any idea of whole situation ? Don't put your stupidity against borg .. Edited February 16, 2022 by Lovin_boi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Holy Decagon Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Borg routinely makes dry jokes. Him deleting a group chat because he was threatened to have it leaked, only to have a massive portion of it remain, is nothing. Deliberately ignoring signs that point otherwise isn’t the way to “catch” someone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Lovin_boi said: Bro do u have any idea what u r Trying to say ? Do u have any idea of whole situation ? Don't put your stupidity against borg .. Yup. I have idea what i am trying to say and i also have idea of the situation. You are just saying cuz you hold a grudge with me. Aslo,you seem blind to read this this screenshot Mars posted which clearly says borg is behind it. Edited February 16, 2022 by Murat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 (edited) Many allainces have benefited greatly from borg and its bot and no one allaince would want to lose a person and a bot which is the lifeline of their allaince so it pretty obvious people will call this "bullshit" and defend borg. Borg has contributed to the community to a lot but this shouldnt be used to cover borg's or anyone's wrongdoings. Edited February 16, 2022 by Murat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgiumFury Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Murat said: Many allainces have benefited greatly from borg and its bot and no one allaince would want to lose a person and a bot which is the lifeline of their allaince so it pretty obvious people will call this "bullshit" and defend borg. Borg has contributed to the community to a lot but this shouldnt be used to cover borg's or anyone's wrongdoings. Rose has no reliance at all on borg, loctus or any other systems that have anything to do with him. Yet I am here, calling it most likely bs (untill i see some much harder proof). I don't think TKR has any reliance on it (do correct me if i am wrong) yet @Adrienne was calling it a hot steaming pile of absolute bullshit. Hence you are in fact completly wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monti Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 10 hours ago, Murat said: Yup. I have idea what i am trying to say and i also have idea of the situation. You are just saying cuz you hold a grudge with me. Aslo,you seem blind to read this this screenshot Mars posted which clearly says borg is behind it. That happened 2 years ago and got cleared up. Dyana already talked to Alex about that. Borg helped Alex Debug it. End of Story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
His Holy Decagon Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 10 hours ago, Murat said: Yup. I have idea what i am trying to say and i also have idea of the situation. You are just saying cuz you hold a grudge with me. Aslo,you seem blind to read this this screenshot Mars posted which clearly says borg is behind it. Yet no one on earth seems to have anything where Borg gives any instruction on this grand plan he made. It's amazing that everyone knew what to do and what their part was, yet, not a single person has a DM from him, instructing them on what to do. Using "evidence" that literally is just people talking amongst themselves, and doesn't actually come from Borg, is seriously what you consider to be factual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob Knox Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 11 hours ago, Murat said: Many allainces have benefited greatly from borg and its bot and no one allaince would want to lose a person and a bot which is the lifeline of their allaince so it pretty obvious people will call this "bullshit" and defend borg. Borg has contributed to the community to a lot but this shouldnt be used to cover borg's or anyone's wrongdoings. Serpentis/Aurora person here who rarely ever uses Locutus because we have our own in-house bot. I'm sure the people who have been here for years and actually know Borg better than you, including the game's administrator, can speak on this topic better than you can, because (unless you're a re-roll or the appearance is misleading somehow) you have hardly been in PnW for 3 months now. Regardless, allegations are allegations and I appreciate that Alex has acknowledged them at this time. I agree with most others in that I don't think Borg would do this kind of thing. 2 Quote Federation of Knox Enlightened of Chaos, Event Horizon QA Team and API Team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovin_boi Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 16 hours ago, Murat said: Yup. I have idea what i am trying to say and i also have idea of the situation. You are just saying cuz you hold a grudge with me. Aslo,you seem blind to read this this screenshot Mars posted which clearly says borg is behind it. A 3 month old newbie putting his stupidity towards borg smh.. My single advice for you kid. Go and learn some game mechanism first instead cheering false accusations against a reputed player of this game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Maleficent Posted February 17, 2022 Moderators Share Posted February 17, 2022 If it isn't another post getting a lot of unneeded posts that add nothing but giving me the enjoyment of warning people. Let's remember to keep it civil guys and stay on topic. Lastly a pro tip for some of you, insulting in your argument only works to weaken it and if you don't believe that saying then know it leads to me having to hide and possibly warning you, so you end losing either way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 Who are these random players posting against Borg? I'm feeling this is much more of a salty witch hunt than anything else. 3 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butter Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) 14 hours ago, BelgiumFury said: Rose has no reliance at all on borg, loctus or any other systems that have anything to do with him. Yet I am here, calling it most likely bs (untill i see some much harder proof). I don't think TKR has any reliance on it (do correct me if i am wrong) yet @Adrienne was calling it a hot steaming pile of absolute bullshit. Hence you are in fact completly wrong. Did i talked about a particular AA? I only said about those AA which uses locutus as thier "lifeline" . Dpe dosent exsist lol. Well, lets wait what for what alex says 7 hours ago, Lovin_boi said: A 3 month old newbie putting his stupidity towards borg smh.. My single advice for you kid. Go and learn some game mechanism first instead cheering false accusations against a reputed player of this game Keep getting rolled noob. Edited February 17, 2022 by Murat 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovin_boi Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Murat said: Did i talked about a particular AA? I only said about those AA which uses locutus as thier "lifeline" . Dpe dosent exsist lol. Well, lets wait what for what alex says Keep getting rolled noob. 👎👎👎 Edited February 18, 2022 by Lovin_boi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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