An Appeal to The Syndicate

[Pascal]

1 minute ago, Emperor Adam said:

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Adam u quit stop being a loser and checking forums

[Director Nyus]

Just now, Pascal said:

Adam u quit stop being a loser and checking forums

I blame me talking to some people from here regularly still and being reminded the game exists

[namukara]

Just now, Emperor Adam said:

I blame me talking to some people from here regularly still and being reminded the game exists

Don't! I talk to people in pnw every day it's horrible.

[Prefontaine]

7 minutes ago, Emperor Adam said:

but I wanted to respond to a specific point of Pre's. We've had our differences in opinion, but this specific series of lines is something I wish I'd been told when taking over for Partisan. I take full responsibility for what I did as FA, which is essentially be a shitty 140p ripoff dvd of Partisan, and I genuinely think if I'd gone another route Syndi and I would've been better off for it. That grandstanding FA style was never my cup of tea no matter how much I acted like it, and I wasn't nearly as good as Parti was both at doing it and knowing when to stop. 

It can be tough taking over and filling shoes like Partisan left. When I took over TEst from people who had been fixtures since the beginning I told them I was going to honor the past, but do things my way. You have to make it your own, at least then if you fail its on your own terms. I'm sorry you had the negative experience with leadership that you did. 

[Majima Goro]

6 hours ago, Buorhann said:

Alright, who hacked HC's account?

well it is perfectly possible he did shrooms like the other time

[Darth Revan]

18 minutes ago, namukara said:

I feel an important point has been lost here.

Another way in which T$ can be compared to the NPO is in regard to the utter contempt it shows for its allies. I know that in the vast majority of spheres there is a group of people that are driving matters forward, who make the majority of leadership decisions. Of course there are: nobody disputes that giving every member of a 300+ member sphere equal voice is going to lead to unworkable arguing further down the line. What I'm seeing from T$ however is that not only are they happy to drag people who apparently respect them and their sphere into conflicts, they're apparently willing to leave them high and dry in said conflicts by refusing to fight to the best of their ability. Attempting to throw a major war isn't just damaging to the health of the game, it's an utter slap in the face to those who fight alongside you and it's quite probably the most disgraceful way I've seen allies treated.

 

Just wondering, would Hollywood consider a white peace for the numerous smaller alliances that T$ has led into this mess? I can't think of a ship that's worth going down with less than this one at the moment.

This is when you know people just hop onto a band wagon and pull crap out of their ***.  T$ has utter contempt for their allies?  News to me.  

Disclaimer I don't disagree or agree to the larger post.  

[namukara]

2 minutes ago, Darth Revan said:

This is when you know people just hop onto a band wagon and pull crap out of their ***.  T$ has utter contempt for their allies?  News to me.  

Disclaimer I don't disagree or agree to the larger post.  

You're not really who the post was in aid of. I know that HS is a major alliance which more than likely has a large part to play in sphere policy. My post was more aimed at the numerous smaller alliances that blackwater has seemingly adopted of late.

[Eumirbago]

28 minutes ago, namukara said:

I feel an important point has been lost here.

Another way in which T$ can be compared to the NPO is in regard to the utter contempt it shows for its allies. I know that in the vast majority of spheres there is a group of people that are driving matters forward, who make the majority of leadership decisions. Of course there are: nobody disputes that giving every member of a 300+ member sphere equal voice is going to lead to unworkable arguing further down the line. What I'm seeing from T$ however is that not only are they happy to drag people who apparently respect them and their sphere into conflicts, they're apparently willing to leave them high and dry in said conflicts by refusing to fight to the best of their ability. Attempting to throw a major war isn't just damaging to the health of the game, it's an utter slap in the face to those who fight alongside you and it's quite probably the most disgraceful way I've seen allies treated.

 

Just wondering, would Hollywood consider a white peace for the numerous smaller alliances that T$ has led into this mess? I can't think of a ship that's worth going down with less than this one at the moment.

Another mother!@#$er that does not know what the !@#$ he is talking about. Everyone that has worked with/been an ally of t$, know how the !@#$ we operate. I can tell you this, @Horsecock @Insert Name Here and whoever the !@#$ else made a WoT like this for the past so odd years can only say good things when they operated within our sphere of influence.

Things may have gone south, or however the !@#$ it ended. At the end of it all though, business was taken care of and people move on accordingly.

You have no say in how good allies operate because we are one of, if not the ONLY, alliance/sphere in this game that is about that action in making sure more, if not all, interests are met.

[Adrienne]

9 minutes ago, namukara said:

You're not really who the post was in aid of. I know that HS is a major alliance which more than likely has a large part to play in sphere policy. My post was more aimed at the numerous smaller alliances that blackwater has seemingly adopted of late.

From my experiences with them, I would not ever accuse t$ of having "utter contempt" for their allies. My experiences may be several months back and a bit dated at this point but t$ consistently made a point of trying hard to have good communication and include their allies' opinions and concerns into decision making. There is some good dialogue happening here in this thread and I do hope Syndi listens to the overall message and considers it, but let's not turn this into "shit on Syndi" session. No one deserves that and that's not what this thread should become.

[JaxTeller]

 

Yeah pretty off base here with the "throwing allies under the bus" Unless I qualify as a major alliance who is assumed to have sphere influence.  Then by all means thank you.

Edited January 25, 2022 by JaxTeller

[Eumirbago]

11 minutes ago, JaxTeller said:

 

Yeah pretty off base here with the "throwing allies under the bus" Unless I qualify as a major alliance who is assumed to have sphere influence.  Then by all means thank you.

Lmfao, it's just another dude that found himself in some sort of sphere that can do something and is now trying to make a name for himself/themselves.

Everything that needs to be talked about will be talked about/has been talked about with all the parties that need to talk about those things and all of this is just another attempt to join me in the shit flinging because they got shit in their cheerios for too long.

All these cats were quiet when they were on top. As they should, they were well fed. 😌

[Eumirbago]

1 hour ago, Emperor Adam said:

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Life is hard being in those positions lmao

Sorry I wasn't as active and/or supported you in a way it may have been enjoyable for you during your tenure (no !@#$)

Hope all is good with you playboi habibi

[JadenStar10]

14 hours ago, Horsecock said:

Both they and your FA leader's public announcements make use of the full arsenal of all the most toxic

Don't be toxic but loud and proud racism & OOC Attacks to someone who is Turkish irl? Give me a fcking break.

Edited January 25, 2022 by JadenStar10

[Maks Maximmillian]

19 minutes ago, JadenStar10 said:

Don't be toxic but loud and proud racism & OOC Attacks to someone who is Turkish irl? Give me a fcking break.

That’s not horsecock tho. You can’t blame him for something someone else said. 

[JadenStar10]

11 minutes ago, Maks Maximmillian said:

That’s not horsecock tho. You can’t blame him for something someone else said. 

Are you dense? The Echo Chambers must be real, how ironic, calling another alliance toxic and having your own HIGHGOV do what you CRITICIZED T$ FOR. 

[Shiho Nishizumi]

13 minutes ago, Maks Maximmillian said:

That’s not horsecock tho. You can’t blame him for something someone else said. 

That's the culture he's more than happy to let flourish. Moreover, he's perfectly content with Yang being his high gov.

It reflects on him, whether he likes it or not.

[NightKnight]

46 minutes ago, JadenStar10 said:

Are you dense? The Echo Chambers must be real, how ironic, calling another alliance toxic and having your own HIGHGOV do what you CRITICIZED T$ FOR. 

100% correct here. Post itself aside here, it may not be what the OP intended, but it's not something that reflects well on the post when Yang not only is in high gov, but also personally participated in a scandal to abuse the game that makes them completely invalidated to talk about game health. It's really sad to see this kind of behavior on a post literally designated to talk about this kind of problem. I'd say clearly we all have things to work on.

 

I hate to bring the conversation away from the original post, but since the original post is literally talking about game health, this is clearly not a t$ problem alone as the post suggests. As they say, first take a look in your own backyard before criticizing others.

Edited January 25, 2022 by NightKnight

[katashimon13]

4 hours ago, Emperor Adam said:

fa bad(am)

by trying to be someone else

more fa bad(am)

hai nakamur how have u been?

d&d geeks

rawr

Edited January 25, 2022 by katashimon13
rawr

[Kan0601]

3 hours ago, Eumirbago said:

Another mother!@#$er that does not know what the !@#$ he is talking about. Everyone that has worked with/been an ally of t$, know how the !@#$ we operate. I can tell you this, @Horsecock @Insert Name Here and whoever the !@#$ else made a WoT like this for the past so odd years can only say good things when they operated within our sphere of influence.

Things may have gone south, or however the !@#$ it ended. At the end of it all though, business was taken care of and people move on accordingly.

You have no say in how good allies operate because we are one of, if not the ONLY, alliance/sphere in this game that is about that action in making sure more, if not all, interests are met.

"Everyone that has worked with T$" Now maybe its just me but my god working with you guys was a $%^& show. Before Aurora left Quack we fought with you guys in NPOLT which almost ended Aurora. So when we grew back up to top 30 we asked if we can upgrade you guys, you guys said something about not wanting to look like a hegemony and gave us the 72 hours. The very %$&@*&% next day you go sign a M level with CoA, yea clearly shows how much %$#^ you give about your allies! 

[Monti]

7 minutes ago, Mayor said:

Krampus is an Armenian hating, closet-racist and propagandist who bans people from RON for supporting Armenia, he tries to silence any fair criticism of Turkey and support of Armenia and members in RON have been seen flaming any supporter of Armenia with racist rhetoric and endless slander. So if that is the hill you want to die on Jaden then go for it, you always had horrible judgement anyways.

Krampus also steals endless content from DNN, never credits anything, and lies about it all the time. Yang is a member of DNN and obviously feels very strongly about this but if you want to still support a borderline fascist like Krampus then go for it.

#turkeybetter

[Krampus]

14 minutes ago, Mayor said:

Krampus is an Armenian hating, closet-racist and propagandist who bans people from RON for supporting Armenia, he tries to silence any fair criticism of Turkey and support of Armenia and members in RON have been seen flaming any supporter of Armenia with racist rhetoric and endless slander. So if that is the hill you want to die on Jaden then go for it, you always had horrible judgement anyways.

Krampus also steals endless content from DNN, never credits anything, and lies about it all the time. Yang is a member of DNN and obviously feels very strongly about this but if you want to still support a borderline fascist like Krampus then go for it.

Jesus, y'all need to really go touch grass. I don't even know who you are, yet this sounds like a personal thing.

For the record, I've never even done any of the things mentioned here, I'm not a nationalist/fascist whatever to begin with. I don't even live in Turkey.

Pretty ironic, isn't it? HC calls t$ out as toxic, yet we have in that very same thread one HoF high gov who calls me a turk as a slur and gets moderated, and now this from another HoF member. Whatever this is

Edited January 25, 2022 by Krampus

[Shiho Nishizumi]

4 minutes ago, Kan0601 said:

"Everyone that has worked with T$" Now maybe its just me but my god working with you guys was a $%^& show. Before Aurora left Quack we fought with you guys in NPOLT which almost ended Aurora. So when we grew back up to top 30 we asked if we can upgrade you guys, you guys said something about not wanting to look like a hegemony and gave us the 72 hours. The very %$&@*&% next day you go sign a M level with CoA, yea clearly shows how much %$#^ you give about your allies! 

We had a tie with CoA from even before NPOLT.

[JadenStar10]

16 minutes ago, Mayor said:

Krampus is an Armenian hating, closet-racist and propagandist who bans people from RON for supporting Armenia, he tries to silence any fair criticism of Turkey and support of Armenia and members in RON have been seen flaming any supporter of Armenia with racist rhetoric and endless slander. So if that is the hill you want to die on Jaden then go for it, you always had horrible judgement anyways.

Krampus also steals endless content from DNN, never credits anything, and lies about it all the time. Yang is a member of DNN and obviously feels very strongly about this but if you want to still support a borderline fascist like Krampus then go for it.

I don't understand how you manage to say so much of nothing but pure bullshit.

"sToP bEiNg ToXiC t$"

Do you hear yourself?

Edited January 25, 2022 by JadenStar10

[Jacob Knox]

14 hours ago, Natonito said:

I would hope at least that this post can prompt a larger conversation on the sort of toxicity that can result when people engage in political rhetoric merely to say "our side good" rather than to have a consistent approach that, whether others agree with it or not, they can at least respect as coming from a genuine and principled point of view.  It would be somewhat disheartening to see such obvious effort as the original poster showed simply be read for a few lines that people might wish to reject because they dislike what it implies without the entire message being taken to heart and discussed in an honest fashion.  Like many of the people who have replied already, I agree with a lot of what I read, and at the same time I am aware that there are those who disagree for one reason or another but who should be invited yet again to give a well-thought out and reasoned disagreement that allows us to see what sort of principles are held by those who are being called to account here.

I completely agree. Whether anyone agrees or disagrees with one another here, a healthy dialogue is what I feel this game needs to improve from its current state.

 

6 hours ago, Big Brother said:

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So you're retort is admitting to being bad and basically saying "I don't care, because we can do what we want." That is literally some of the worst logic that exists in this world and it's sad to see anyone resort to it.

 

4 hours ago, Eumirbago said:

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Ah, yes. You're retort to being accused of being toxic and attempting to control the public narrative is to do exactly that.

 

4 hours ago, Emperor Adam said:

>inb4 "Adam u quit stop being a loser and checking forums"

 

This post came to my attention and being one of the people who directly kept t$ on the path I felt like I should respond. Pre-emptive note to Syndi that this isn't me flaming y'all or whatever, it's just my genuine thought process.

 

For the most part, minus the unnecessary NPO comparisons, I agree with what Aleph said. I won't go too far into detail on it as I don't represent t$ anymore in any fashion, but I wanted to respond to a specific point of Pre's.

 

 

We've had our differences in opinion, but this specific series of lines is something I wish I'd been told when taking over for Partisan. I take full responsibility for what I did as FA, which is essentially be a shitty 140p ripoff dvd of Partisan, and I genuinely think if I'd gone another route Syndi and I would've been better off for it. That grandstanding FA style was never my cup of tea no matter how much I acted like it, and I wasn't nearly as good as Parti was both at doing it and knowing when to stop. 

It's likely the main reason I quit, honestly. I pretty much ruined the game for myself by trying to be someone else and shoddily copying their FA style instead of making my own, and I think doing that caused a lot more issues (particularly between t$-TKR following the split and GnR) than it solved, and I genuinely think had I been doing my own thing a lot of subsequent issues wouldn't have happened. 

I view my reign as FA as an utter failure. It wasn't catastrophic, but it wasn't what Syndi needed and wasn't what I was good at.  

My message to WANA is more of a "don't make the mistakes I did" moreso than a "change what you're doing now" type thing, but: Reevaluate if this is the way you want to do politics and you are comfortable with Syndi being seen as. If you are, by all means keep it up. If you aren't, use this war and postwar to make efforts to change things to your own style.

It takes a lot of guts and self-awareness to realize and admit when what you've done maybe isn't the best for yourself or those around you. I respect what you've said here and appreciate it.

 

3 hours ago, Eumirbago said:

Further Respondent Message

As if your first response wasn't bad enough, you had to buckle down and arguably prove some of the points even further

 

26 minutes ago, Mayor said:

Krampus is an Armenian hating, closet-racist and propagandist who bans people from RON for supporting Armenia, he tries to silence any fair criticism of Turkey and support of Armenia and members in RON have been seen flaming any supporter of Armenia with racist rhetoric and endless slander. So if that is the hill you want to die on Jaden then go for it, you always had horrible judgement anyways.

Krampus also steals endless content from DNN, never credits anything, and lies about it all the time. Yang is a member of DNN and obviously feels very strongly about this but if you want to still support a borderline fascist like Krampus then go for it.

I can understand people making mistakes because of being worked up and feeling strongly about something, but even if these accusations are true, someone else's wrongdoings is almost never an excuse to stoop to their level. I always encourage people to be better than those they are against.

Edited January 25, 2022 by Jacob Knox
Acknowledging possible falsehoods in claims

[Vexz]

24 minutes ago, Mayor said:

Krampus is an Armenian hating, closet-racist and propagandist who bans people from RON for supporting Armenia, he tries to silence any fair criticism of Turkey and support of Armenia and members in RON have been seen flaming any supporter of Armenia with racist rhetoric and endless slander. So if that is the hill you want to die on Jaden then go for it, you always had horrible judgement anyways.

Krampus also steals endless content from DNN, never credits anything, and lies about it all the time. Yang is a member of DNN and obviously feels very strongly about this but if you want to still support a borderline fascist like Krampus then go for it.

I have worked as a mod for some time now in RON. I've not personally encountered any of the things you claim Krampus has done, maybe I missed it and all that you say is true. Why not take action on it, why not make the needed moves to make by your claims a very horrible person, get the well-deserved punishment for his poor behavior. You instead sit here and use the claims to one up someone else who made a valid statement in regard to Yang that even if your claims are true about Krampus, that insult said to Krampus offends more than just Krampus; so, don't come here making all these claims and trying to justify what Yang did. If HC is sincere about his calmer approach on trying to reach out to BW on their behavior he doesn't agree with, then you all as fellow alliance members should read what he said and not resort to racial slurs, nor justifying it because this idea of ridding away toxicity should be a collective effort and not just pin it on someone and ignore it yourself.