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There Is No IC/OOC Split, Change My Mind


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On 8/19/2021 at 2:44 PM, BrythonLexi said:

Would you really expect a non-leftist to join United Socialist Nations or Advanced Syndicalist Mechanics?  Would you expect a non-Muslim to join United Ummah?  Or would you expect someone who doesn't like capitalism even a little to join The Syndicate / The Enterprise, or The Company?

A sign of a wise person is the ability to be able to discuss and work with other people who may have wholly divergent views, be it politically, socially or morally. This applies both IG and IRL. Part of playing this game gives you the opportunity to hone such a skill on *lets be frank* things that don't really matter IRL at all, treat it as a learning opportunity for the real world.

I know your personal disdain for the theme I selected for my nation, and your request to have this theme banned. Rest assured I don't hold such similar views to your nation, nor do I prejudge you to be a *insert stereotype*. I look forward should we meet and work together IG in the future.

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12 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said:

Harvard please.

And I dare say the days where applicants will write out 1000 words for entry have long since passed. Heck, how many AAa still even use forums?

 

We would, buy Roy ran off with the database and we never got it back. It would be nice if we still had them.

TKR uses forums still. They might be one of the few left, and really the only ones I can think of. This is probably a part of why I personally like TKR.

In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam Ierusalem.
Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cüm Lazaro quondam paupere æternam habeas requiem.

 

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On 8/20/2021 at 2:15 AM, Gaius Julius Caesar said:

I hear Arizona is beautiful, you should check it out.

Arizona is Uninhabitable, I do not recommend trying to live there. try again.

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4 hours ago, Zed said:

We would, buy Roy ran off with the database and we never got it back. It would be nice if we still had them.

TKR uses forums still. They might be one of the few left, and really the only ones I can think of. This is probably a part of why I personally like TKR.

Forum is love, forum is life

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On 8/21/2021 at 5:18 AM, Big Brother said:

We will have our revolution one day, brothers. We will paint it all red.

OOOOOHHH NOOOOOOOO

On 8/21/2021 at 8:51 AM, Zed said:

 

We would, buy Roy ran off with the database and we never got it back. It would be nice if we still had them.

TKR uses forums still. They might be one of the few left, and really the only ones I can think of. This is probably a part of why I personally like TKR.

19 hours ago, Micchan said:

Forum is love, forum is life

BK uses forums although I imagine they're a bit less discussion and a lot more ayy lmao than TKR's

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2 hours ago, Nukey6 said:

OOOOOHHH NOOOOOOOO

BK uses forums although I imagine they're a bit less discussion and a lot more ayy lmao than TKR's

 

Daily reminder to disband your alliance and join ayy lmao.

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In paradisum deducant te Angeli; in tuo adventu suscipiant te martyres, et perducant te in civitatem sanctam Ierusalem.
Chorus angelorum te suscipiat, et cüm Lazaro quondam paupere æternam habeas requiem.

 

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On 8/19/2021 at 9:44 AM, BrythonLexi said:

Alright, I've been thinking.  I've been thinking about the huge value that Orbis as a whole places on the split between In Character and Out of Character - especially after NPOLT.  And what I've figured out is that this is an artificial dichotomy.  There is no truely In Character experience that wholly separates itself from the person's Out Of Character political beliefs.

Would you really expect a non-leftist to join United Socialist Nations or Advanced Syndicalist Mechanics?  Would you expect a non-Muslim to join United Ummah?  Or would you expect someone who doesn't like capitalism even a little to join The Syndicate / The Enterprise, or The Company?

Let's even look outside alliances.  When you created your nation, what did you go for?  Me?  I went for an anarchist commune because I am an anarcho-communist.  While I am sure there are unicorns (there always are) who are, say, American Republicans who made a nation LARPing as a Neoliberal nation, that is almost certainly not the case for the vast majority of people playing Politics & War.  It's a game where people tend to make themselves as a nation - and that includes their OOC politics.

"But when we mean OOC we mean how GOONS made people eat dog food!" Nope.  No you don't, let's be real here.  It's completely okay to discuss someone's political beliefs when you completely agree with them - but as soon as it's a disagreement, the cry about OOC is cried and all debate is closed down.  Y'know the people who complain about new leftist alliances because "communism sucks"?  It's certainly not because they hate communism in real life or something. [Although I will concede about the generic names, hence my specificity with reasoning.]

This false distinction between OOC and IC politics has gone on too long, and makes no rational sense upon further scrutiny.  It is merely used as a weapon to shut off debates you don't like - and it is making actual political discussion a stigma outside your safe space - kinda a bad thing in a game called Politics & War.

TL;DR Your Orbis nation and alliance reflect your OOC politics.  It is folly to say otherwise - this split between OOC and IC politics is completely artificial and useless.

Upvoted so I can get downvoted.

 

The point of IC / OOC is just so we can say, despite being a !@#$ / Backstabbing !@#$ / Manipulative Bastard / Sadist in-game, I'm a perfectly nice guy/girl IRL.

 

What you do anywhere reflects who you are. You might say it's just a contextual element of your personality, but it's still a part of your personality as a whole. To put it another way, if you go through Gary Brecher / John Nolan's the War Nerd, the Japanese are stereotyped as being completely savage in wartime, but overly polite in peacetime. The peacetime politeness does not mean that WW2 atrocities didn't happen, or that if you put them (at least the WW2 Japanese) in the same circumstances again, the same thing wouldn't happen.

 

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As for the OP's sympathies, as I've pointed out, playing PnW is potentially a doxxing vulnerability 5-10 years on. The community has actively supported / tolerated Nazis, and if your comments regarding KT etc are dug out by a journalist (or a background checker), you may suffer IRL for that.

 

Put another way, consider a MMORPG (Massively Multiplayer Online [b]Role Playing Game[/b]). There, the IC/OOC divide can be considered substantially stronger, because it's explicitly a "Role Playing Game". Even then, a reasonably-run MMORPG will ban or censor you for having accounts labeled "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" or obvious !@#$ roleplays, because the corporate entity will be stigmatized for tolerating such things.

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