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4 hours ago, Pascal said:

This argument is so worthless and so stupid for so many reasons that it becomes laughable at this point. I'm no FA man, so i'm not going to write a 5000 words well-written essay showing you how dumb you are, as t$ is doing that well enough already.  So i'll just come and destroy your examples with what I know best, maths.

You compare Grumpy and e404, and that they have both taken about 50 billions damages in GnR, which is true. But you forgot to mention, mind you, that Grumpy peacetime daily income is 1.8 billions/day whereas e404 daily income is of "only" 500M. Which means that it takes e404 almost 4 times longer to recover from GnR than it does for Grumpy. 1.2 billion per member in GnR ? 900 millions in DH ? Lol, that's peanut for whales, your members make 60-70 millions per day on average, that's not even 3 weeks of income to recover from a global war.

Using absolute values to justify yourself is just stupid in every single way possible, if you use relative values or ROI, your damages taken are basically nothing compared to others alliances. I see that you didn't mention gw15 either, since i'm guessing your damages taken there are at an all time low.

So right, all Grumpy did since the end of NPOLT was dogpiling not once, not twice, but thrice in a row in the whale tier (gw15, gw16 & gw18), basically destroying any sort of concurrence every war (tCW in gw15, t$ in gw16, Rose in gw18) and snowball from there. The results of this snowball effect are today very clear, since GG holds alone about half the megawhales in the game.

But right guys, let's not forget that "t$ man bad" and "Rose man bad" for dogpiling you once now. It's obviously t$ and Rose's fault if they are behind Grumpy to this day after all, right ? I'm amazed how your group of dogpilers/pixelhuggers whales even somehow convinced people like @Dryad that Grumpy was a "warmongerish" alliance. Lol.

tl;dr : You are a fatuous pixelhugger, and a dogpiler.

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I fully admit to dog piling in tcw war, both us and swamp had reasons to attack them, we knew they had no shot, so we didn't drag it out, we accomplished our goal and ended it.  The reason I didn't add it, was because its not on CTowned, or atleast I couldn't find it.  As for the Quack war, tS hit us, which was a huge dog pile in their favor, until Rose and Oasis came in to help.    The Rose war, we were at what 700 to 500 for about an hour or two and then we got dog piled, Grumpy hit the only alliance on Rose's side with an actual full military, and Rose's sphere had the biggest upper tier besides ours in the game, which made them the most fun target for us.

I mentioned 404 because they were the only alliance beside TRK to take more damage than us, would it take longer for them to rebound? of course it would, but we also loan them money after every war to help them rebound quicker.  The point I was making was everyone acts like we take 0 damage, we like everyone else take a bunch of damage every war, more than many of our allies.  I am guessing we are going to take a shit ton of damage after this war ends as well.

Can we look at some tS wars?  the only ballzy thing tS and friends have done in the last 2-3 years is hit NPO.  That was after they tried to dog pile us at the start of that war, and then sat around for months watching bullshit unfold.  Then they tried to dog pile us again at the start of the Quack war.  Then they dog piled Swamp in a war, i don't remember what the numbers in that war were, but Swamp was literally trying to disband and you guys said nope and hit them. Finally, you dog pile us here.  So if I am a fatuous pixel hugger and a dogpiler, let me hold up a mirror, because you and your allies are more guilty of it than I am. 

Personally I don't actually care about dogpiles one way or the other, the goal of war is to win.  I am here because the hypocrisy is strong, with many accusing us of what they also do every time.

BTW, when I attack, I attack with attrition, tS doesn't seem to like to do that, are they trying to limit damage? maybe trying to hug some pixels? who can tell?  We tried the raid thing in the Rose war, I 'll be honest, i didn't like it, attrition is the war type for me.

Note: I assumed you were tS, but it looks like you are a raider, so big words from a raider, a guy who makes his money by attacking those who don't attack back, I hope this isn't you upset that out of the 1000+ nations that attacked us, you were one of the few to get smacked down. (and by me! that's embarrassing)  Don't worry I'll toss you a beige in a few turns, drop that NS to help you keep fighting.

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Real talk for a sec here,  I have been a part of an upper tier alliance for a very long time so its very possible I am out of the loop, but does it seriously take any of you more than 3 weeks to recover from a war? Seriously?  Even back in my mass alliance days in VE, were 20 cities was whale tier, and before there were billions of dollars thrown around in the game, we would be back up and running with in a week after a war ends. 

Are you telling me that the top alliances in this game can not instantly rebound post war? or if not instantly within a few days?  I would assume any top 15 alliance in this game should be able to be back up and running within days after a war ends.  Are you telling me this is not the case?   I would expect any nation over 18-20 cities to be able to be fully self sufficient.

If it is the case, what are all of you complaining about?

 

Edit, i said a bad word that got censored, so i changed it to complaining.

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43 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

As for the Quack war, tS hit us, which was a huge dog pile in their favor, until Rose and Oasis came in to help.

Yes, we dogpiled you for the entire... 2 minutes? Before Rose counter-blitzed. We had info that they were joining in. This has already been gone over. 

 

I won't bother responding to the rest of it because frankly it's a ramble bordering on coping. Glad to see GoB's finally taking damage that actually matters, and that it's knocked you so out of norms that you're unable to respond nearly as well as you usually do.

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1 hour ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Real talk for a sec here,  I have been a part of an upper tier alliance for a very long time so its very possible I am out of the loop, but does it seriously take any of you more than 3 weeks to recover from a war? Seriously?  Even back in my mass alliance days in VE, were 20 cities was whale tier, and before there were billions of dollars thrown around in the game, we would be back up and running with in a week after a war ends. 

Are you telling me that the top alliances in this game can not instantly rebound post war? or if not instantly within a few days?  I would assume any top 15 alliance in this game should be able to be back up and running within days after a war ends.  Are you telling me this is not the case?   I would expect any nation over 18-20 cities to be able to be fully self sufficient.

If it is the case, what are all of you complaining about?

 

Edit, i said a bad word that got censored, so i changed it to complaining.

Yo @Cooper_, TKR is top 5, how fast y’all bounce back?

Asking for your friend.

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6 hours ago, Pascal said:

This argument is so worthless and so stupid for so many reasons that it becomes laughable at this point. I'm no FA man, so i'm not going to write a 5000 words well-written essay showing you how dumb you are, as t$ is doing that well enough already.  So i'll just come and destroy your examples with what I know best, maths.

You compare Grumpy and e404, and that they have both taken about 50 billions damages in GnR, which is true. But you forgot to mention, mind you, that Grumpy peacetime daily income is 1.8 billions/day whereas e404 daily income is of "only" 500M. Which means that it takes e404 almost 4 times longer to recover from GnR than it does for Grumpy. 1.2 billion per member in GnR ? 900 millions in DH ? Lol, that's peanut for whales, your members make 60-70 millions per day on average, that's not even 3 weeks of income to recover from a global war.

Using absolute values to justify yourself is just stupid in every single way possible, if you use relative values or ROI, your damages taken are basically nothing compared to others alliances. I see that you didn't mention gw15 either, since i'm guessing your damages taken there are at an all time low.

I agree with all of the arguments above.

6 hours ago, Pascal said:

So right, all Grumpy did since the end of NPOLT was dogpiling not once, not twice, but thrice in a row in the whale tier (gw15, gw16 & gw18), basically destroying any sort of concurrence every war (tCW in gw15, t$ in gw16, Rose in gw18) and snowball from there. The results of this snowball effect are today very clear, since GG holds alone about half the megawhales in the game.

But right guys, let's not forget that "t$ man bad" and "Rose man bad" for dogpiling you once now. It's obviously t$ and Rose's fault if they are behind Grumpy to this day after all, right ? I'm amazed how your group of dogpilers/pixelhuggers whales even somehow convinced people like @Dryad that Grumpy is a "warmongerish" alliance. Lol.

tl;dr : You are a fatuous pixelhugger, and a dogpiler.

Now as for this part: first of all you misquoted me. What I said was that Grumpy is "way more warmongerish than Eclipse" and that's not because Grumpy are warmongers, but because Eclipse prior to this war had been doing absolutely nothing in 10 months warring-wise. "Pixelhugging" was a big reason KT hit Eclipse although it was actually less important than other factors such as your complacency with staying in tS's shadow and just not caring about things like autonomy. Not gonna rehash Horsecocks DoW, but either way you deserved it.

Now as for Grumpy: dogpiling is their sin (and they are pixelhuggers too but not nearly as bad as Eclipse was). This is something they not only deserve the karma for of getting rolled in the same fashion but SHOULD get rolled for. However this does not apply to Grumpy alone, the blame is shared among all those who participated in those dogpiles. When Horsecock decided KT needs to get out of Hedge it was actually Cotl who we mainly blamed for the dogpiling stuff for the FA work they did.

What I never understood with you, Pascal, is why you are making Grumpy out to be THE big bad evil in this game. Let me get this straight: every alliance should aim to become as powerful as they possibly can (the same doesn't apply to spheres). It is ridiculous to blame Grumpy for having all those whales, being a successful alliance and actually insult them because of this like you did in your post. Likewise it is completely reasonable for them to want short wars in which they don't take much damage, though don't take this as an argument for dogpiling. It is up to the rest of the game to do something about them. So feel free to treat Grumpy as the entity that most urgently needs to be addressed for the sake of game balance, poach all whales away from Grumpy and roll Grumpy into the dirt. Huge respect to Theo for making tC and attempting the former, and thank you very much for doing the latter right now. However, all of this can be done without actually developing a personal hatred towards them just over them having lots of whales (dislike them for dogpiling, I don't care).

 

Anyway, I hope this will be all from me in this thread, I got mentioned so I felt like doing one post kek. Y'all have fun debating and enjoy the war.

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8 hours ago, Pascal said:

POV : you have no counter-argument

Like what is there to counter? Grumpy have specialised their Econ so as to be able to recover pretty quickly. They only have larger nations to rebuild, and it's well known that larger nations can rebuild themselves a lot quicker than smaller nations can. Plus grumpy don't have to worry about rebuilding an alliance full of smaller players. 

None of this is exactly news.

Plus, GG having half the whales has nothing to do with previous wars against other spheres. Whales naturally gravitate towards GG, grumpy in particular, because of the specific economic policies in place within these alliances which are more beneficial for whale growth and post war rebuilds.  An alliance that specialises in whales and implements Econ policies designed solely for whales somehow attracts and grows whales. Shocking stuff I know.

If you want to become more competitive in the whale tier, implement economic policies which not only grow whales, but attract them. It's pretty clear that going to war over it isn't going to help address this disparity because it's the 3rd or 4th time the same CB of 'they have too many whales' has been used. Yet the disparity still exists. 

Imagine the reversal of this, if GG declared war on alliances which actively recruited newer nations and geared their policies towards building up newer players,and somehow justified it by saying all these recruited nations outnumbered GG's own much smaller count of new nations. It would be utterly ridiculous.

Tldr: basically GG suck because they know how to provide better Econ for whales.

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2 hours ago, Vemek said:

Your argument is nonsensical because nobody is asking GG to give up their whales or anything of the sort. All we’ve done is point out how dangerous the GG tie is due to the combination of a dominant upper/whale tier and Guardians ‘competence’, so I don’t know why you are bringing that up.
What we are doing is hitting you to prevent your whale tier from consolidating even further and to atleast partially dispel the invincible reputation that attracts a lot of whales to GoB. 

The whole ‘fix your economic policy’ argument is shifty because changing taxes to 0/0 will do very little in attracting whales, (look at TC) because anybody who’s looking for a 0/0 alliance is 9 times out of 10 looking to farm and grow. Joining any 0/0 alliance that isn’t on GoB’s side is counterintuitive for these people because if they do then all that they are doing is signing up to eventually be rolled by GoB because of the fact that their whale tier dwarfs any other, which means they won’t be able to farm and pixelhug very well if they sign up to a rolling every time their alliance faces GoB.

This means that going to war is literally one of the few things you can actually do to close the whale disparity since:

1. It slows down growth and shaves down the stupidly expensive infra levels so many GoB whales run because they’re barely touched.

2. It helps to atleast somewhat mitigate with GG’s reputation of being untouchable and the #1 place for unaffiliated whales to go.

I don’t think anybody could have proven how little you know of the war and econ mechanics than you yourself did just here lmfaooo.

But you aren't preventing the consolidation of a whale tier. This is the 3rd or 4th time you have attempted it and if anything, going by the sheer numbers you brought to bear this time around, the disparity within the whale tier is only growing. You aren't going to address the disparity through military action. GG can rebuild nearly instantly whilst you cannot due to the specific nature of your own mass recruitment based alliances. You can try to keep us at war for months on end to maybe buy cities and catch up which is also a foolish notion since you only deepen the cost of your own rebuild whilst also ensuring your own sources of revenue are destroyed via missiles and nukes. This being particularly relevant in the upper tiers due to zeroed out whales no longer dropping out of your upper tier's range when their military score drops.  The longer this war goes on the greater the disparity will eventually be when the war ends since GG, grumpy particularly, will rebuild within a week, whilst tS's whales will be funding the rebuild for middle and lower tier members for I dare say a few weeks at least. By the time that rebuild is over for tS, most of grumpy will have bought a new city already. And that is the real appeal of alliances such as grumpy, the fact that you don't comprehend that is also likely the reason for the disparity.

Time is the only relevant currency in this game 👍

Also, my point about lower tier recruitment has absolutely nothing to do with war and Econ mechanics? 🤔 Not sure if you are deliberately attempting to strawman but it's more so pointing out the  illogical absurdity of using tier disparities as a basis for enacting wars in the futile hope it will actually address the disparity. Outside of an alliance being kept at war for months on end or being forced to disband, military action to rectify tier imbalances simply doesn't work. And well, tS simply doesn't have the FA capital to attempt either of these two choices.

But hey, come back to me a month after this war ends and I will get to say I told you so 👍

 

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22 hours ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

So i learned that if you quote something from the previous page, and then try to post it, it doesnt automatically move to the new page, and it just makes it look like it didnt post.

Sorry team!  Old man here, technology is scary!

Quote them, move to the next page, then go to the bottom and click the reply space, whatever you wrote from last page should appear

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12 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said:

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Tldr: basically GG suck because they know how to provide better Econ for whales.

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Kettle meet pot.  This is basically the line your alliance/allies used for most of the wars on Alpha/allies.  It was only after we just stopped playing in a more traditional way, a year or two back, that it changed because we no longer had enough whale targets for y'all. 

I can understand The Syndicate's position in that they are developing the traditional/organic whale tier alliance (quite impressively I might add).  It's pretty obvious after rolling Rose that tS was the next target at some point.  You weren't going to let them get grow to a sea of c40 nations.  They weren't going to ally you to consolidate and obtain complete immunity, to their credit again.

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7 hours ago, Emperor Adam said:

Didn't know you switched sides, friend! Good to see t$'s lord and savior is once again here to argue on our behalf.

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You lot really have to get a new punchline. Come on boys and girls, you are better than this even if the talent pool is starting to dry up. I have faith in you.

 

1 hour ago, Placentica said:

Kettle meet pot.  This is basically the line your alliance/allies used for most of the wars on Alpha/allies.  It was only after we just stopped playing in a more traditional way, a year or two back, that it changed because we no longer had enough whale targets for y'all. 

I can understand The Syndicate's position in that they are developing the traditional/organic whale tier alliance (quite impressively I might add).  It's pretty obvious after rolling Rose that tS was the next target at some point.  You weren't going to let them get grow to a sea of c40 nations.  They weren't going to ally you to consolidate and obtain complete immunity, to their credit again.

Steve defending tS? What alternate universe have I just stepped into? Or did it just take partisan to actually retire before such a miracle could come to pass?

And yup, you lot sure stopped playing in a traditional manner.

https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=16235

 

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1 hour ago, Charles Bolivar said:

And yup, you lot sure stopped playing in a traditional manner.

https://politicsandwar.com/nation/id=16235

 

No shit sherlock.  It's in his fricking city names even.  It's not exactly a mystery we are just screwing around.

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If I may so briefly capture the general layout of this argument to understand the issue:

1. Grumpy's consolidation of the upper tier poses an enormous threat to other alliances because of the difficulty in defeating them in war.

BUT

2. Grumpy only participates in the beginning of wars because they quickly win their tier and then are out of the range of everyone else.

BUT

3. This means they can rebuild faster and be ready for the next war which... will only last 1-2 rounds for them (see point 2)

SO

4. Grumpy is only a threat to the upper tiers of other alliances.

BUT

5. Consolidation of the upper tier is the least effective tier to consolidate, because you cannot control the lengthiest and most consequential part of the war and often run the risk of building yourself out of range and effectiveness.

SO

6. Upper tier consolidation really is just a bogeyman, mid-tier consolidation is (and has always been) where you want to be strongest. You can coordinate to harpoon whales, your range of nations you're able to declare on is largest, and competence is most valued and observable here.

BUT

7. Other alliances want to have upper tier consolidation so that their whales don't continually get stomped by Grumpy, so they are pursuing it through continual wars with Grumpy using hypocritical CBs.

 

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25 minutes ago, Hodor said:

If I may so briefly capture the general layout of this argument to understand the issue:

1. Grumpy's consolidation of the upper tier poses an enormous threat to other alliances because of the difficulty in defeating them in war.

BUT

2. Grumpy only participates in the beginning of wars because they quickly win their tier and then are out of the range of everyone else.

BUT

3. This means they can rebuild faster and be ready for the next war which... will only last 1-2 rounds for them (see point 2)

SO

4. Grumpy is only a threat to the upper tiers of other alliances.

BUT

5. Consolidation of the upper tier is the least effective tier to consolidate, because you cannot control the lengthiest and most consequential part of the war and often run the risk of building yourself out of range and effectiveness.

SO

6. Upper tier consolidation really is just a bogeyman, mid-tier consolidation is (and has always been) where you want to be strongest. You can coordinate to harpoon whales, your range of nations you're able to declare on is largest, and competence is most valued and observable here.

BUT

7. Other alliances want to have upper tier consolidation so that their whales don't continually get stomped by Grumpy, so they are pursuing it through continual wars with Grumpy using hypocritical CBs.

 

This is what happens when you make Hodor say stuff beyond Hodor.

 

18 hours ago, Placentica said:

They weren't going to ally you to consolidate and obtain complete immunity, to their credit again.

For the record, back in the day Partisan and I have talked about this and both agreed that tS and Grumpy could not be allies.  I believe the last time we talked about it was right before either HM or Ketogg formed when I talked to every major alliance in the game about teaming up, and we had both concluded that it would be too unfair to do.

Also we hit you once as nuke bloc, which was years ago, have we attacked you since then?  I honestly cant remember, I don't think you were part of Rose bloc 2 months ago.  Did we hit you during the 10 day war?  The only thing I look at you guys for now is fun thought experiments on how quickly we could build someone up to catch up to Wampus.

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1 hour ago, Hodor said:

If I may so briefly capture the general layout of this argument to understand the issue:

1. Grumpy's consolidation of the upper tier poses an enormous threat to other alliances because of the difficulty in defeating them in war.

BUT

2. Grumpy only participates in the beginning of wars because they quickly win their tier and then are out of the range of everyone else.

BUT

3. This means they can rebuild faster and be ready for the next war which... will only last 1-2 rounds for them (see point 2)

SO

4. Grumpy is only a threat to the upper tiers of other alliances.

BUT

5. Consolidation of the upper tier is the least effective tier to consolidate, because you cannot control the lengthiest and most consequential part of the war and often run the risk of building yourself out of range and effectiveness.

SO

6. Upper tier consolidation really is just a bogeyman, mid-tier consolidation is (and has always been) where you want to be strongest. You can coordinate to harpoon whales, your range of nations you're able to declare on is largest, and competence is most valued and observable here.

BUT

7. Other alliances want to have upper tier consolidation so that their whales don't continually get stomped by Grumpy, so they are pursuing it through continual wars with Grumpy using hypocritical CBs.

 

BUT

8. If you attack Grumpy with a large coalition even if you manage to ZM them you have a lot of small nation that they can raid and make enough to pay for the infra you destroyed

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2 minutes ago, Micchan said:

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8. If you attack Grumpy with a large coalition even if you manage to ZM them you have a lot of small nation that they can raid and make enough to pay for the infra you destroyed

SO

9. Just be friends with Grumpy. We are pretty cool.

OR

10. Make more fun DoWs/CBs

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Pixel hugging? per Dryad, you have fought one war since the IQ war not including this one.  We have fought in every major war, we put our pixels where are mouth is, we have been rolling out in shorter more frequent wars, to the point that some of our allies wanted out so they could take a breather and regroup.  Grumpy has taken off one major global in it's entire history, and that was the 2nd war that rolled out after we formed, which was when we were about 12-15 members and before your nation even existed.  Can you say the same Pascal?

When you fight Pascal, have you really focused on contributing to your side's success, or have you focused to enriching yourself thru raiding?  Looking at your nation it seems to be more on the other side of things.

Just out of curiosity, what constitutes losing pixels to you?  Do we need to win a war where we get ZIed?  I generally take around a billion in damage every war, which is enough to rebuild 80 cities to 2k infra, or 200 cities to 1.5k infra. so I alone am taking damage equal to 4 20 City nations or 20 10 city nations. and these are wars we win, so how much should I be taking to make you happy?

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1 hour ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

The only thing I look at you guys for now is fun thought experiments on how quickly we could build someone up to catch up to Wampus.

I volunteer as a test subject.

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1 minute ago, Pascal said:

Yes, congratulations, it took you long enough to realize it. It's already a miracle that we've been able to get this far. You have to see it to believe it.

Being a douchebag to people unprovoked is not going to make you many friends or gain you much respect. At least you didn't just downvote me and leave though, so baby steps I suppose.

Regardless, you've misunderstood the point of my post and have wrongly assumed I was making some sort of rebuttal or novel argument. I was instead trying my best to distill the arguments already made as I thought they were contradictory. I've no idea where your anger came from, but you did bring some new points so I'll do my best to address them below.

2 minutes ago, Pascal said:

Not at all, no one in this game wants a group of alliance dominating literally the highest tier of the game . And i'm not talking about just Blackwater or Rose but literally everyone that isn't Hollywood, in case you didn't realize.

No one in this game wants any one dominating any tier. You've misunderstood me.

6 minutes ago, Pascal said:

Furthermore, It's far from being the least effective tier to consolidate. In GnR, Grumpy dominating the whale tier allowed HW's high tier to recover which then allowed HW's mid tier to recover. Again, snowball effect. Without Grumpy, Hollywood would have surely never been able to win GnR (unless Roasis Inc does an unimaginable massive throw).

Because a tier has utility doesn't mean it is the most effective. I would guess that most people would concede that the mid-tier is the most effective tier to control, but I could be mistaken. I'll update and say the whale tier is certainly more effective than the tiny-tier, but I don't think that was ever in doubt.

36 minutes ago, Pascal said:

Another important aspect to take into account is that contrary to what some people seem to think, the new war meta buffed whales asf, updeclares have been nerfed and downdeclares buffed. A c45 is several times stronger than a c35, because you can take advantage of  your superior military and  switch between ground attacks in wars and dogfights in others to pin your opponents. Unless you are completely outnumbering 3:1 or more your opponents like the current war, it's almost impossible to drag and pin your megawhales down if they keep rebuying. In fact, I do think that the combinaison of Rosesphere+Blackwater is literally the only possible way to beat Grumpy, since Mystery and Oasis whale tier are way weaker.

Harpooning whales has always been hard, perhaps it's harder now, however that's not the point I was making. Three c35 nations can take a c45 down in 2 rounds. You'll need numbers and coordination, but that's not changed.

44 minutes ago, Pascal said:

Hypocritical ? Are you kidding me ? Is this coming from someone in an alliance that dogpiled thrice in a row, and where most of the whales almost haven't lost any pixel for 18 months straight now ? Seriously, you are the one being hypocritical here. Do you really think the rest of the game would allow you to dogpile their whales forever and never do anything about it ? If you are really thinking what you just said here, you are really pathetic my dude, just saying. I could even bet that I singlehandely took more damages in gw16 (1 war) when you dogpiled us than some Grumpy megawhales did in gw15, gw16 & gw18 combined (3 wars).

I know I'm not going to convince you that the previous three wars Grumpy fought in weren't dogpiles, but let's at least acknowledge that is nowhere near universally agreed upon.

The second part of this paragraph is confusing because I didn't actually specify which part of the CB was hypocritical... you seem to have assumed it was the dogpile? You know what they say about assuming... I was referring to the "Grumpy is consolidating the whale tier" part of the CB which has been used consistently each time t$ musters up the will to hit us.

Again, you are a very either passionate or barbarous person to be so unnecessarily antagonistic and insulting in an online forum about a fake game. It might benefit you to take a walk, do some yoga, etc. before you respond to a very bland post with such gratuitous rage.

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