Popular Post MinesomeMC Posted June 17, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 17, 2021 (edited) Similar to how we projects that boost Manufactured resources and two "raw" resources such as uranium and food. I feel it is necessary that we get similar projects that could also boost the production of raws. As the game meta changes and with raws being sometimes priced higher than their manufactured partner it could allow us to use less improvements while keeping the same amount of production from having 10 mines and operate the larger MMR that has become necessary due to the newer military changes. As well as allow us to produce even more raws to fill in the high demand of raws. Advanced Tailing Facilities (ATF) - Boost Iron Mine Production by 100% National Bauxite Reserves (NBR) - Boost Bauxite Production by 100% Industrial Coke Facilities (ICF) - Boost Coal Production by 100% Synthetic Oil Plants (SOP) - Boost Oil Production by 100% Lead Recycling Plants (LRP) - Boost Lead Production by 100% edit: these numbers were based on uranium and gasoline project bonuses. These numbers are just fillers and for most of them are too high of a bonus. I do expect @Alex if implementing this would figure out the numbers to make them worth getting but also not overpowered. Edited June 17, 2021 by MinesomeMC 10 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUT Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 this tbh 1 Quote Sultan of United Ummah, Head of Foreign Affairs.Inshallah, I will get some sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiki Mod Dr Rush Posted June 17, 2021 Wiki Mod Share Posted June 17, 2021 If raws production needs to be increased it should be done directly. As it is the raw market is the protected niche where new players can be equally efficent as old ones; And therefore not be priced out of the market. That protected niche needs to stay as a means for new players to grow without depending on raiding. 2 1 Quote 23:38 Skable that's why we don't want Rose involved, so we can take the m all for ourselves 23:39 [] but Mensa is the cute girl at the school dance and she's only dancing with us right now to get our friend jealous 23:39 [] If Rose comes in and gives Mensa what she wants, she'll just toss us aside and forget we ever existed 23:39 zombie_lanae yeah I do hope we can keep having them all to ourselves 23:40 zombie_lanae I know it's selfish but I want all their love 6:55 PM <+Isolatar> Praise Dio Pubstomper|BNC [20:01:55] Rose wouldn't plan a hit on Mensa because it would be !@#$ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dr Rush said: If raws production needs to be increased it should be done directly. As it is the raw market is the protected niche where new players can be equally efficent as old ones; And therefore not be priced out of the market. That protected niche needs to stay as a means for new players to grow without depending on raiding. Im sure this won’t hurt new players all that much. Plus these projects will most likely be utilized to lower improvement requirements for builds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiki Mod Dr Rush Posted June 17, 2021 Wiki Mod Share Posted June 17, 2021 Thats not at all how that works Quote 23:38 Skable that's why we don't want Rose involved, so we can take the m all for ourselves 23:39 [] but Mensa is the cute girl at the school dance and she's only dancing with us right now to get our friend jealous 23:39 [] If Rose comes in and gives Mensa what she wants, she'll just toss us aside and forget we ever existed 23:39 zombie_lanae yeah I do hope we can keep having them all to ourselves 23:40 zombie_lanae I know it's selfish but I want all their love 6:55 PM <+Isolatar> Praise Dio Pubstomper|BNC [20:01:55] Rose wouldn't plan a hit on Mensa because it would be !@#$ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Dr Rush said: Thats not at all how that works well youre saying these projects will force noobs to rely on raiding, i dont see that being the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiki Mod Dr Rush Posted June 17, 2021 Wiki Mod Share Posted June 17, 2021 Force no, greatly hamper, yes. Quote 23:38 Skable that's why we don't want Rose involved, so we can take the m all for ourselves 23:39 [] but Mensa is the cute girl at the school dance and she's only dancing with us right now to get our friend jealous 23:39 [] If Rose comes in and gives Mensa what she wants, she'll just toss us aside and forget we ever existed 23:39 zombie_lanae yeah I do hope we can keep having them all to ourselves 23:40 zombie_lanae I know it's selfish but I want all their love 6:55 PM <+Isolatar> Praise Dio Pubstomper|BNC [20:01:55] Rose wouldn't plan a hit on Mensa because it would be !@#$ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zei-Sakura Alsainn Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 13 minutes ago, Dr Rush said: If raws production needs to be increased it should be done directly. As it is the raw market is the protected niche where new players can be equally efficent as old ones; And therefore not be priced out of the market. That protected niche needs to stay as a means for new players to grow without depending on raiding. Let's be completely real here there's two kinds of new players. The kind who join a proper alliance and raid, and those who don't and get raided and eventually quit because they joined no alliance or joined a micro and had no growth opportunities regardless of any protected niche. Since that problem is not affected by your concerns, I think a more pointed concern is that this would harm those new players with growth opportunities who stick around and are told to raid by mass flooding the raw market and slashing the prices to ribbons. Personally as a whale I suppose the idea of my commerce and 4500 land farms having massively increased buying power sounds just splendid, but this is probably not so good news for everyone else. 😛 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiki Mod Dr Rush Posted June 17, 2021 Wiki Mod Share Posted June 17, 2021 I'm well aware of the meta. Being the meta does not mean it should be the only viable option. And just because something is already bad does not mean it is okay to make the hole worse. 1 Quote 23:38 Skable that's why we don't want Rose involved, so we can take the m all for ourselves 23:39 [] but Mensa is the cute girl at the school dance and she's only dancing with us right now to get our friend jealous 23:39 [] If Rose comes in and gives Mensa what she wants, she'll just toss us aside and forget we ever existed 23:39 zombie_lanae yeah I do hope we can keep having them all to ourselves 23:40 zombie_lanae I know it's selfish but I want all their love 6:55 PM <+Isolatar> Praise Dio Pubstomper|BNC [20:01:55] Rose wouldn't plan a hit on Mensa because it would be !@#$ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Dr Rush said: I'm well aware of the meta. Being the meta does not mean it should be the only viable option. And just because something is already bad does not mean it is okay to make the hole worse. wait is it because of the 100% bonuses, these numbers are only fillers (i added a disclaimer on the bottom explaining it) I do get these are way too high, but that idea still could be a great idea if tweaked a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majima Goro Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 All "economics" aside, can this not be solved by just making the current manufacturing bonus more? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Majima Goro said: All "economics" aside, can this not be solved by just making the current manufacturing bonus more? That too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redarmy Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I always thought these should be a thing. 1 Quote "Though it starts with a fist it must end with your mind." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BelgiumFury Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 On 6/17/2021 at 9:19 AM, Dr Rush said: If raws production needs to be increased it should be done directly. As it is the raw market is the protected niche where new players can be equally efficent as old ones; And therefore not be priced out of the market. That protected niche needs to stay as a means for new players to grow without depending on raiding. Copy that. Giving new players a somewhat fair shot seems important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted June 19, 2021 Author Share Posted June 19, 2021 8 hours ago, BelgiumFury said: Copy that. Giving new players a somewhat fair shot seems important. They’d have a pretty fair shot especially if they join an alliance that does proper IA. Plus this could be the first project that a new player gets as a grant so I don’t see new players missing out from this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majima Goro Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 4 hours ago, MinesomeMC said: They’d have a pretty fair shot especially if they join an alliance that does proper IA. Plus this could be the first project that a new player gets as a grant so I don’t see new players missing out from this. Projects are bad for small people. You will need high infra to support multiple projects is the reason small people are told to build only essential projects like IA. Even at 22 cities @ 1k infra/city, I only have 6 project slots, 5/6 of which are filled with important projects namely IA, PB, UP, AUP, NRF and I plan to get the MLP when the timer resets. You can argue that most small players wont need the NRF and MLP and I'll agree with that. However at the level you are talking about at some c5-c6, you usually dont want to go over 1k infra per city. Even if they have 100 wars won+lost, that's 3 project slots and I'll better utilize them to get me the IA, PB and have one in stock for the UP at c11. The way I see it, this will cause more whales to make raw resources and with more cities and a project, out produce most smaller people. This has been true for anything that needs projects in this game for manufacturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeeeet Ronny D Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 On 6/17/2021 at 3:36 AM, Zei-Sakura Alsainn said: Personally as a whale I suppose the idea of my commerce and 4500 land farms having massively increased buying power sounds just splendid, but this is probably not so good news for everyone else. 😛 its cute that you think you are a whale... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiki Mod Dr Rush Posted June 21, 2021 Wiki Mod Share Posted June 21, 2021 On 6/19/2021 at 6:01 PM, MinesomeMC said: They’d have a pretty fair shot especially if they join an alliance that does proper IA. Plus this could be the first project that a new player gets as a grant so I don’t see new players missing out from this. IA in most of the game is terrible. Also, we are trying to protect the super tiny new nations that are not getting any aid at all. Quote 23:38 Skable that's why we don't want Rose involved, so we can take the m all for ourselves 23:39 [] but Mensa is the cute girl at the school dance and she's only dancing with us right now to get our friend jealous 23:39 [] If Rose comes in and gives Mensa what she wants, she'll just toss us aside and forget we ever existed 23:39 zombie_lanae yeah I do hope we can keep having them all to ourselves 23:40 zombie_lanae I know it's selfish but I want all their love 6:55 PM <+Isolatar> Praise Dio Pubstomper|BNC [20:01:55] Rose wouldn't plan a hit on Mensa because it would be !@#$ing stupid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 The last we visited raw production changes, it was through direct output changes. As raw resource production (non-food) is most useful to new nations, putting a project requirement on it is not ideal. All of that said, when we were considering making increases it was decided to not. I don't think increasing raw production is anywhere on our considerations at the moment, but if it comes back I highly doubt it will be project-related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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