Popular Post Prefonteen Posted March 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2021 Greetings friends, Partisan here rising from his retired chair in protest one more time. Please pause your frothing and foaming to listen to this heartfelt and apparently bloody necessary clarification. Take notes, because i'm going to state this one last time, and will simply begin dishing out personal discord blocks as well as blanket bans in the t$ servers to anyone who continues bothering myself, t$ gov or t$ members moving forward. Extremism -of all kinds- is morally reprehensible due to its inherent intertwinement with intolerance; be it race, religion, ideology or anything I might miss. Within its own (IC) realms, t$ has never stood for either extremism or intolerance. That is a double-edged sword, as it comes in many forms. We have over the years been meticulous about balancing core principles surrounding freedomĀ of speech with guarding the moral boundaries of our community. Simultaneously we have been steadfast in our -OOC- denouncement of any and all behavior which may harm, in an OOC manner, the health, happiness or security of individuals both within and outside our alliance. That is where our responsibility ends, and the responsibility of moderation -both within your respective communities and on a broader level, PW- begins. We keep our community clean, and we expect you to keep yours clean. If a community radicalizes in !@#$ation, it is up to moderation to police that. Where OOC matters are concerned, attempts to self-cleans geopolitically are futile, because the burning of pixels has no impact on the state of mind of a shitty person out for toxicity. Moreover, such individuals *thrive* on the polarization it causes, and the cycle of negativity it perpetuates. All attention is good attention, after all. And so, we leave these things in the hands of admin and his staff. The second half of 2020 and first quarter of 2021 have been marked by an increasingly forceful and increasingly off-putting demand for t$ to conform to what we view as little more than mob mentality- induced symbolism.Ā We have over the past months been ostracized by elements within the PW community for our supposed faillure to "do something about KT", and our unwillingness to engage in futile quasi-moralist activism in the form of ingame action against reprehensible elements whom we prefer to simply not work with has been marked as sympathizing with said elements. Despite consistent clarifications, the latest of which was made as recent as last week, we continue to receive regular dms from various individuals questioning our position. To all of you, I state -in principle on behalf of myself, and of any who may identify with my viewpoints-: Get a fricking grip. Our denouncement of these people and our unwillingness to assist them in any way shape or form is all the responsibility we have to this community. PW is intended to be a lighthearted escape from the actual *real* world for which I reserve my OOC outrage, political engagement and activism. Through your intolerance for even the mildest deviations in viewpoints from your self-proclaimed morally superior crusade against what is in essence a minor subgroup of sycophants and basement trolls surrounded by some edgelords and garden variety trolls, you are contributing to the polarization of a whole gaming community (read: PW) of moderates trying to simply play a game into two radicalized OOC "sides". By refusing to allow the middle to exist, you are forcing radicalization, not necessarily to your favor. That is a broad observation on these dynamics; not on t$ itself. We refuse to participate in your toxicity, and given the utter failure of some of you to leave us, as a community, be, a policy of instant blocks and bans is now in place. Leave us be. Be better, and just fricking play the game. Ā - Parti out 13 3 56 1 Quote Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampus Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Is this where I accuse you of being a red armband boy enabler? 3 3 Quote Inform Zigbir I have forgotten how to edit the signature field Please remind me how to do it post haste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelo Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Someone said Vbucks? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majima Goro Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 OOC reasons for wars is the !@#$est reason for wars.Ā 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artifex Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Live and let live! Let bygones be bygones! Agree to disagree! And most importantly, don't waste all your time arguing with strangers over the internet! ... Just some of your time... Usually when drunk... And or bored... @RylehĀ ... JK, I love you Ryleh, you know I'm just joking. 1 Quote Love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrispyGeneral Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Everyone is a radical to someone.Ā 2 Quote Goomy: *Hot Goomy is 5 miles away from you and looking to have some fun* Guilo: O.O Click bait is sooooooo tempting Aoi Toori: Well its Goomy, who wouldn't? Ā If Dillon A McCann is Ted Cruz then doesn't that make him the zodiac killer? Rip zodiac #EndofZodiac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayor Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Partisan being so polite, wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latsu Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Ok take my like t$ man so I can go back to my general distrust and negative assumptions. (Kidding, maybe) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adrienne Posted March 27, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 27, 2021 46 minutes ago, Prefonteen said: That is where our responsibility ends, and the responsibility of moderation -both within your respective communities and on a broader level, PW- begins. We keep our community clean, and we expect you to keep yours clean. If a community radicalizes in !@#$ation, it is up to moderation to police that. Where OOC matters are concerned, attempts to self-cleans geopolitically are futile, because the burning of pixels has no impact on the state of mind of a shitty person out for toxicity. Moreover, such individuals *thrive* on the polarization it causes, and the cycle of negativity it perpetuates. All attention is good attention, after all. And so, we leave these things in the hands of admin and his staff. Ā 46 minutes ago, Prefonteen said: Our denouncement of these people and our unwillingness to assist them in any way shape or form is all the responsibility we have to this community. PW is intended to be a lighthearted escape from the actual *real* world for which I reserve my OOC outrage, political engagement and activism. Ā I really couldn't agree more.Ā The onus should be on moderation, not the player base, for handling things such as this. And making wars about OOC things is a surefire way to increase toxicityĀ tenfold because it makes it inherently personal and this game shouldn't ever be personal - that's a recipe for misery. It's meant to be a game - i.e. fun - and an escape from RL. 1 16 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 Completely off topic but remember when you said you were totally retired and I told you that you're about as retired as I am? Ā Told you so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaius Julius Caesar Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Rockefeller said: Completely off topic but remember when you said you were totally retired and I told you that you're about as retired as I am? Ā Told you so. We keep dragging him back into the spotlight. He's a snake, he needs to stay in the sun to stay alive and warm, if he goes without it for too long, he'll fall into a coma. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 spiiin me baby round round 2 Quote Throw me to the wolves and Iāll return leading the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, Rockefeller said: Completely off topic but remember when you said you were totally retired and I told you that you're about as retired as I am? Ā Told you so. Regular (read daily) dms to our gov and/or myself on this subject sorta force a clarification.Ā Don't worry. Adam remains the guy with the responsibilities.Ā 1 1 Quote Ā Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Crunch Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 I just like burning pixles. Dont mind me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MinesomeMC Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) Partisan be careful, youāre getting tooĀ close to fascismĀ Edited March 27, 2021 by MinesomeMC 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammayed Hydid Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 agreed, OOC bs is cringe and boring Ā 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Adrienne said: Ā Ā I really couldn't agree more.Ā The onus should be on moderation, not the player base, for handling things such as this. And making wars about OOC things is a surefire way to increase toxicityĀ tenfold because it makes it inherently personal and this game shouldn't ever be personal - that's a recipe for misery. It's meant to be a game - i.e. fun - and an escape from RL. But wars are already inherently personal? Every war tends to be either started over, or prolonged, due to personal grudges and grievances between a few influential persons in each alliance. Witness the personal hate you used to receive and the impact it has had upon previous wars. I mean you can attempt to aspire to something more than that, I wish you good luck with that venture.Ā Ā Ā Edited March 28, 2021 by Charles Bolivar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majima Goro Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Charles Bolivar said: But wars are already inherently personal? Every war tends to be either started over, or prolonged, due to personal grudges and grievances between a few influential persons in each alliance. Witness the personal hate you used to receive and the impact it has had upon previous wars. I mean you can attempt to aspire to something more than that, I wish you good luck with that venture.Ā Ā Ingame grudges and IRL grudges are totally different issues.Ā Ingame grudge warsĀ like the last global fought against Quack for being too powerful is never the same as IRL grudge wars like the 69D war. Here partisan means to say he and by extension T$ dont want to fight someone due to IRL grudges. In fact I am wrong to say IRL grudges. A better term would be Out Of Game grudges. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adrienne Posted March 28, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said: But wars are already inherently personal? Every war tends to be either started over, or prolonged, due to personal grudges and grievances between a few influential persons in each alliance. Witness the personal hate you used to receive and the impact it has had upon previous wars. I mean you can attempt to aspire to something more than that, I wish you good luck with that venture.Ā Ā The guy who responded to you already covered most of it but most of that is related to in-game actions. And that's not to say I'm okay with everything that happens in this game either because I'm definitely not but fighting over external ideologies and things thatĀ shouldĀ be handled by admin/moderation isn't really the way to go imo. You can argue that not enough is being done there and that may well be a fair point but you're not going to fix it with a war. That's like the in-game equivalent of bait and you're giving it a platform imo. If you want to drive change in the community and make it more tolerable, then really, there are a few main things I've noticed we could all be doing a lot better but I'm sure there are more as well: 1) Don't assume the worst off the bat. People make mistakes/don't realize/don't notice things. If you take the time to explain the issue to most people rather than immediately jump on them, you'll more likely than not get a reasonable response and they'll work to improve on the issue. 2) Reporting and bringing notice of these behaviors to the admin/moderation teams. Use the in-game and forums reporting features. They can't address it if they don't know about it. 3) Understand the game limits: Alex doesn't have control over the separate alliance/business discords/platforms. Each of these spaces is governed by those governments/staffs, who should be monitoring their own spaces/keeping them clean like Partisan said. Some may do this better than others but same things apply: they can't address it if they don't know what is going on. Talk to them, share info, etc. If that doesn't work. I highly recommend utilizing Discord's trust and safety team which is rather solid from my experience/understanding.Ā 4) If someone from another alliance is being a d*ck/harassing people in your server or another person's, let their leadership know what is happening. They'll generally appreciate being at least aware of it and can decide on actions from there.Ā 5) Utilize the discord/ingame/forums features for not engaging with people who are harassing you. There is literally no shame in blocking someone if you're an individual or banning someone if you're alliance leadership/gov, especially if they won't leave you/your members alone or respect your personal/community boundaries. You don't owe them anything - it is your life/communityĀ and that should be your first priority. And alongside that, if you feel it necessary or if it just continuesĀ again elsewhere, definitely make use of the trust and safety team found in my above point.Ā Ā It's way too easy to just point fingers and say "Alex isn't doing enough" or "no one cares" but overall, this community does a garbage job communicating with one another and honestly, a lot - not all - but a lot of this could be improved by just actually talking and communicating with each other more and admin per my first fourĀ points. Do your part, help admin do theirs, push people to do more/better. Far more of us than not want this to be an enjoyable community where people don't have to deal with some of the stupid sh*t that has happened here. And maybe all this is idealistic of me but good lord,Ā it'dĀ be nice to see. Edited March 28, 2021 by Adrienne 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Patrick Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 It should also be pointed out that since kt is now paperless, they have literally no ties to quack sphere whatsoever. So even if you are in favor of ooc wars (which i'm not), the argument evaporates anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Bolivar Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 14 hours ago, Majima Goro said: Ingame grudges and IRL grudges are totally different issues.Ā Ingame grudge warsĀ like the last global fought against Quack for being too powerful is never the same as IRL grudge wars like the 69D war. Here partisan means to say he and by extension T$ dont want to fight someone due to IRL grudges. In fact I am wrong to say IRL grudges. A better term would be Out Of Game grudges. Adrienne is from TKR...she knows better than most the nature of personal grudges. The TKR-NPO rivalry was born from an entirely personal grudge in this instance which didn't even have its roots in this game but stems from another world where a particular person who shall not be named developed a deep seated grievance against a few of TKR's founders which carried over into this realm.Ā This same person carried a similar set of grudges against early syndicate members too now that I think on it. You are right to make a distinction between ingame and IRL grudges. My point however is, due to both being inherently personal, the end result is much the same. It's no surprise after all, people make things personal because well...we are all persons at the end of the day. And whilst I applaud these amongst us who aspire to this world being free of "personal drama" affecting the general meta of the game, I am doubtful of it amounting to much considering the sheer level of toxicity and nasty drama which has almost been a near present factor. Isn't human nature just grand? Ā Edited March 28, 2021 by Charles Bolivar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said: Adrienne is from TKR...she knows better than most the nature of personal grudges. The TKR-NPO rivalry was born from an entirely personal grudge in this instance which didn't even have its roots in this game but stems from another world where a particular person who shall not be named developed a deep seated grievance against a few of TKR's founders which carried over into this realm.Ā This same person carried a similar set of grudges against early syndicate members too now that I think on it. You are right to make a distinction between ingame and IRL grudges. My point however is, due to both being inherently personal, the end result is much the same. It's no surprise after all, people make things personal because well...we are all persons at the end of the day. And whilst I applaud these amongst us who aspire to this world being free of "personal drama" affecting the general meta of the game, I am doubtful of it amounting to much considering the sheer level of toxicity and nasty drama which has almost been a near present factor. Isn't human nature just grand? Superb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Micchan Posted March 29, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted March 29, 2021 On 3/27/2021 at 5:54 PM, Prefonteen said: Extremism -of all kinds- is morally reprehensible due to its inherent intertwinement with intolerance I disagree, I'm a pizza extremist and I have the right to stop the abuses on those poor pizzas around the world, I will fight to save every single one of themĀ from obscene ingredients 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsecock Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Micchan said: I disagree, I'm a pizza extremist and I have the right to stop the abuses on those poor pizzas around the world, I will fight to save every single one of themĀ from obscene ingredients KT vs TKR round 3, here's your CB! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 11 hours ago, Horsecock said: KT vs TKR round 3, here's your CB! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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