PSA from the Socialist International

[Hereno]

I'm confused as to why this Morgan guy keeps banging on about tac wanting to start a war. I don't know if they did or didn't, but what relevance does that have to them allegedly getting a spy to leak info about a treaty. Not even a particularly greasy treaty, just a bog standard treaty between an alliance who no one trusts and eos.

 

Why would anyone risk a spy being caught over that kind of boring info, and then get the spy to post it on the forum for everyone to see. Frankly I'm confused.

Actually, you do know. You were there in the channel too, remember? Even talked about leaking the logs from it yourself in the other thread. How stupid do you think everyone is here?

[Caillou]

If anyone paid attention to our nation builds up until a recently we were mostly commerce built, our alliance had an incredibly low mmr and we were interested in training new alliances. If we thought a war was going to happen we wouldn't have spent all that time building up commerce. Also, this was not two weeks ago... this was two months ago. The treaty signing? You mean with TEst? and a protectorate? As compared to EoS announcing a new bloc, and the SI treaty?

 

Think logically if there was a war with TEst, TeE, and TAC fighting VoC, UPN, EoS, BoC... under no circumstances would that ever be in our favor. Our interests for the last two months have been making money and helping friends. Also, the political situation of the game was entirely different at that point in time. Keep in mind this was when Empire of Spades had signed an NAP with the Red Guards; an alliance mercilessly raiding every other alliance in game and getting away with it. 

[Hereno]

If anyone paid attention to our nation builds up until a recently we were mostly commerce built, our alliance had an incredibly low mmr and we were interested in training new alliances. If we thought a war was going to happen we wouldn't have spent all that time building up commerce. Also, this was not two weeks ago... this was two months ago. The treaty signing? You mean with TEst? and a protectorate? As compared to EoS announcing a new bloc, and the SI treaty?

 

Think logically if there was a war with TEst, TeE, and TAC fighting VoC, UPN, EoS, BoC... under no circumstances would that ever be in our favor. Our interests for the last two months have been making money and helping friends. Also, the political situation of the game was entirely different at that point in time. Keep in mind this was when Empire of Spades had signed an NAP with the Red Guards; an alliance mercilessly raiding every other alliance in game and getting away with it.

It's almost like you want me to keep leaking logs. It was FF and I who had to talk you down from your bum rush that you told us about in the logs I already leaked in this thread. Come the !@#$ on. You guys are so transparent and it's just so embarrassing for everyone involved.

[Adama]

All of this was discussed at a time when the politics to this game were different, lets not kid ourselves on what the situation was with this game months ago, It was the PPC, and then it was everyone else. There were two sides to this game, and you all know it and everyone talked about what to do with each other. Don't pretend you didn't because you did. And then suddenly something we talked about in private gets exposed by some one we trusted we are the bad guys for it? Everyone discusses what they will do in certain situations, and at the time we felt like we were going to be targeted. So we talked about maybe doing something about it, but we didn't because in the end the logic didn't add up. We moved on, and stopped feeling like we were so threatened and stopped being so irrational, we then looked towards economic growth for the long term.

 

We didn't instigate this conflict, we had no build up to fight anyone, and our allies didn't either. We barely got built up just in time to fight EoS, me, Pub and Abbas went to the Covenant to try and diffuse the situation, because there was no actual situation, just a lot of speculation. I even told Casey the name of the Bloc, and that it existed and what it was for because honesty is what we try to do with people. But it seems our honesty and tendency to trust people has got us burned.

 

You all plotted at the time against one another, because that's what the game was. We talked about things, but we never did them, and we took no actions to do them. If we wanted to fight The Covenant, or the PPC at the time, we wouldn't of wanted to make an evident bloc that was half the size of the covenant that they could see. It was our own thing, we wanted to help the game grow by mentoring new alliances and by growing ourselves. Maybe one day we would be something to be dealt with, but today we are not on the offensive because where would it get us or anyone of our allies?

 

And Hereno, come on man. Why would we of spied on you. We already have our current conflict on our plate why would we try to make an enemy out of you. At the time you said SI had no friends, and we said we would try to be. We didn't want you as an enemy, we wanted to be allies with you, and we wanted to help you and your alliance, not sabotage and make you our enemy. Just like the raider issue, we spent a lot to deal with it because it was hurting small alliances, just like we took in HIL when they had no where to go and everyone hated them. TAC is about doing right to people and having fun and we try to make that clear to people. But you do this? What for? Why should anyone trust you with anything ever again if you are going to so openly back stab someone who did nothing to you, to people who wanted nothing but the best for your alliance.

 

TAC talked about its security, and we decided our best interest was not to instigate conflict. We grew up. Lets just get real with ourselves for a second and recognize everyone talks about things like this in private, but its what you do that counts. And what you did was back stab us for what ever gain you see.

 

We are going to have our conflict, and we are going to enjoy it. We talk with EoS gov constantly now since it started, in respect and fun and we will enjoy the activity.

[Phiney]

 

I can't say anything for EoS but I can say with absolute certainty that UPN had no quarrel with TAC, although it seems we(read: I) was misguided in assuming they had no intention of attacking us.

 

 

 

Bit confused about this too considering the title of EoS's DoW talks about the cornshuckers, an alliance that never even existed in the world as we know it. That's some pretty obvious grudge holding. Boy am I confused a lot today.

 

Actually, you do know. You were there in the channel too, remember? Even talked about leaking the logs from it yourself in the other thread. How stupid do you think everyone is here?

 

The amusing thing for me is I actually got it completely wrong. I misread the logs at first, thought it was from a different convo (honest, I know it sounds like bullshit) and thought the leaker was someone who was there by accident and then kicked from the convo. 

[Placentica]

I love how everyone wants to act like they aren't the aggressors.  "Oh they were going to attack us." and "Look at all the treaties TAC is signing!"

 

From my perspective, EoS attacked TAC and EoS has posted just as many treaties as TAC.  I guess spin is the universal norm. in games like these.

 

In another realm the same thing happened to me.  People wanted to play up the fact that our side was aggressive and "planning to attack", when the other side just wanted to justify their aggression on us.

Edited October 24, 2014 by Placentica

[RagnarBuliwyf]

News just in, hereno outed as log leaker in same thread hereno tries to discredit foe for leaking info. More news at 10.

This is beyond true. Hereno is a known trouble maker and any attempt to do it, he'll rush at. I wouldn't be surprised if the spies were drummed up, however if they are true that also leads to why they'd be used or of they were government authorised. 

[Tenages]

All of this was discussed at a time when the politics to this game were different, lets not kid ourselves on what the situation was with this game months ago, It was the PPC, and then it was everyone else. There were two sides to this game, and you all know it and everyone talked about what to do with each other. Don't pretend you didn't because you did. And then suddenly something we talked about in private gets exposed by some one we trusted we are the bad guys for it? Everyone discusses what they will do in certain situations, and at the time we felt like we were going to be targeted. So we talked about maybe doing something about it, but we didn't because in the end the logic didn't add up. We moved on, and stopped feeling like we were so threatened and stopped being so irrational, we then looked towards economic growth for the long term.

Could y'all stop lying through your !@#$? The plans to roll the purple's didn't end months ago. They were still very much in the works within the last month. Literally everyone who doesn't have their head up their !@#$ knows it, and there are logs to prove it.Whether it was a warranted fear that led to those plans or not, that's a whole other argument. Whether that justifies a pre-emptive strike from EoS, again a whole other argument. But pretending your effort to achieve that goal of rolling the purples stopped months ago is just flat out !@#$.

 

And if you trusted someone who literally said you shouldn't trust him, you've got no one but yourselves to blame for your own stupidity.

Edited October 24, 2014 by Tenages

[Speaker Faris Wheeler]

"All of this was discussed at a time when the politics to this game were different, lets not kid ourselves on what the situation was with this game months ago, It was the PPC, and then it was everyone else. There were two sides to this game, and you all know it and everyone talked about what to do with each other. Don't pretend you didn't because you did. And then suddenly something we talked about in private gets exposed by some one we trusted we are the bad guys for it?"

 

Yes Adama, cause nobody trusts TAC for all of the stuff you've done

Could y'all stop lying through your !@#$? The plans to roll the purple's didn't end months ago. They were still very much in the works within the last month. Literally everyone who doesn't have their head up their !@#$ knows it, and there are logs to prove it.Whether it was justified or not, that's a whole other argument. But pretending your effort to achieve that goal stopped months ago is just flat out !@#$.

And if you trusted someone who literally said you shouldn't trust him, you've got no one but yourselves to blame for your own stupidity.

 

They just want to cover their exposed asses

[Placentica]

Wait, people still spy?

[Hereno]

This is beyond true. Hereno is a known trouble maker and any attempt to do it, he'll rush at.

[citation needed]

 

You're just pissy because I called you out for using "retarded" as a slur in the other thread.

 

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It gets even better than just him lying about whether or not they were planning. Ask them where the rumors came from of the EoS attack and why they were sitting there at update ready to counter it. I'd love to hear their response.

[Speaker Faris Wheeler]

Wait, people still spy?

duh

[Abbas Mehdi]

Underlord your time line is wrong. The logs are months old. The fact that hereno has a need to validate them by saying he was conspiring with us shows that his only way of giving a sense of credibility is by being a discredible source of leaking information. Now let's get the facts straight. Ppc exists. Tac goes to non aligned alliances to ally them. Tells them what their motivation is. No one really cares what tac says. We sign a treaty with test that a mod locked for no substance. We end up getting rolled cause a leader of a commie alliance leaked logs to the biggest aa of the only bloc in p&w for reasons he conveyed to me in query 10 hours ago. So basically whatever you guys inferred from whatever outdated Intel you got, you just got played. Now let's go back to the matter at hand. We are not plotting against tc. We are not spying on si. We are not leaking treaties that we are not aware of.

[Shellhound]

Let's be real here, both sides wanted to go to war to some extent. If they didn't, this whole thing could've been easily averted. Both sides thought the other was a threat and they both wanted to take out that threat. Let's stop pretending this is anymore than it actually is.

[Xenodolf]

Oh god, my sides. 

 

So let me get this straight:

Pubstomper, at least a month ago, said he wanted to roll us

Then, two weeks ago, he tried recruiting Hereno and told him OPSec info

Now, after Hereno told his friends about the logs, TAC is crying foul

And now TAC is saying that in the last month all the treaties they have been signing has nothing to do with wanting to roll us?

 

Riiiiiiiight.

couldnt have been put any better

 

Wait, people still spy?

Lol, apparently..

[Speaker Faris Wheeler]

Underlord your time line is wrong. The logs are months old. The fact that hereno has a need to validate them by saying he was conspiring with us shows that his only way of giving a sense of credibility is by being a discredible source of leaking information. Now let's get the facts straight. Ppc exists. Tac goes to non aligned alliances to ally them. Tells them what their motivation is. No one really cares what tac says. We sign a treaty with test that a mod locked for no substance. We end up getting rolled cause a leader of a commie alliance leaked logs to the biggest aa of the only bloc in p&w for reasons he conveyed to me in query 10 hours ago. So basically whatever you guys inferred from whatever outdated Intel you got, you just got played. Now let's go back to the matter at hand. We are not plotting against tc. We are not spying on si. We are not leaking treaties that we are not aware of.

But you guy's sure want to start a war.

[Tenages]

[citation needed]

 

You're just pissy because I called you out for using "retarded" as a slur in the other thread.

 

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It gets even better than just him lying about whether or not they were planning. Ask them where the rumors came from of the EoS attack and why they were sitting there at update ready to counter it. I'd love to hear their response.

There's a reason I said claims of TAC spying are eminently believable.

Edited October 24, 2014 by Tenages

[Adama]

Could y'all stop lying through your !@#$? The plans to roll the purple's didn't end months ago. They were still very much in the works within the last month. Literally everyone who doesn't have their head up their !@#$ knows it, and there are logs to prove it.Whether it was justified or not, that's a whole other argument. But pretending your effort to achieve that goal stopped months ago is just flat out !@#$.

 

And if you trusted someone who literally said you shouldn't trust him, you've got no one but yourselves to blame for your own stupidity.

 

What were we going to do Tenages? What were we going to do to them by ourselves? Nothing. That's what. Anyone who doesn't have their head up their ass knows at the time every alliance was talking about what to do with the post alpha period where there WERE two camps in this game, rather you want to think it or not. But the game drifted in a different direction, these are past politics being used to justify modern ones tha tare completely different. But no one wants to use logic in this situation because its fun being on a bandwagon isn't it?

 

Why did this turn into such a shit fest to begin with? It's not like us and EoS gov are at each others throats. Just the third parties apparently. 

[Caillou]

-snip- It's not like us and EoS gov are at each others throats. Just the third parties apparently. 

This is very true, I've held very civil and meaningful conversations with EoS gov several times since this all started. 

[Hereno]

Phiney is still lying. Abbas is still lying. Clearly I have not dumped enough logs to put out the fire coming from your !@#$.

 

T 1412194743 19* 19Now talking on #getshucked

T 1412194743 29* 29Topic for #getshucked 29is: New channel is #tac, leave this barren wasteland.

T 1412194743 29* 29Topic for #getshucked 29set by Pubstomper 29at Wed Aug 13 03:21:02 2014

T 1412194765 21<CMDR_Adama>21 Hey Hereno

T 1412194823 22* Pubstomper sets ban on ((REMOVED))

T 1412194823 21* 21Pubstomper has kicked FilthyFifths from #getshucked (Your behavior is not conducive to the desired environment.21)

T 1412194889 31<Hereno>30 i'm not against talking to you, but at the moment i need to take care of some stuff

T 1412194896 31<Hereno>30 if you'll be around later i will be here

T 1412194900 31<Hereno>30 in perhaps 30 minutes to an hour

T 1412194918 18<Pubstomper> sounds good, I'll try to inform them of where you stand.

T 1412194999 21<CMDR_Adama>21 hereno

T 1412195011 18<CMDR_Adama> if they get hegemoney the game is going to really boring for a long time.

T 1412195980 23* 23CMDR_Adama has quit (23Quit: Say What?23)

T 1412196124 18<Pubstomper> Saeton, Phiney

T 1412196128 18<Pubstomper> guess what I did

T 1412198634 19* 19CMDR_Adama (((REMOVED))) has joined #getshucked

T 1412199373 31<Hereno>30 so what is this channel, exactly?

T 1412199403 18<CMDR_Adama> Well, it was the old Corn Chuckers channel.

T 1412199411 18<CMDR_Adama> Shuckers*

T 1412199413 18<CMDR_Adama> Or what ever.

T 1412199739 31<Hereno>30 so who is everyone here

T 1412199746 31<Hereno>30 i'm not really a community member

T 1412199755 18<Pubstomper> TEst and TAC

T 1412199760 18<Pubstomper> Phiney is TEst, Saeton is TEst

T 1412199764 18<Pubstomper> me and Adama are TAC

T 1412199811 31<Hereno>30 do they know what you told me earlier?

T 1412199818 18<CMDR_Adama> Yep.

T 1412199822 18<CMDR_Adama> TEst is fully on board.

T 1412199854 18<Pubstomper> They do

T 1412199869 18<Pubstomper> although... they seem to be afk

T 1412199898 31<Hereno>30 alright, well you invited me in here i assume for a reason

T 1412199900 31<Hereno>30 i have some time

T 1412199909 31<Hereno>30 by all means, vomit words at me until my eyes bleed orange

[Tenages]

What were we going to do Tenages? What were we going to do to them by ourselves? Nothing. That's what. Anyone who doesn't have their head up their !@#$ knows at the time every alliance was talking about what to do with the post alpha period where there WERE two camps in this game, rather you want to think it or not. But the game drifted in a different direction, these are past politics being used to justify modern ones tha tare completely different. But no one wants to use logic in this situation because its fun being on a bandwagon isn't it?

 

Why did this turn into such a !@#$ fest to begin with? It's not like us and EoS gov are at each others throats. Just the third parties apparently.

I just want you to stop pretending like your plan to roll the purples is ancient months old history. It isn't. You keep insisting that it is, people are gonna call you out being liars. Not particularly complicated.

[Phiney]

I wish I still had last nights logs, When "the spy" posted the treaty on the forums between SI, I was in a private convo with both abbas and CMDR_adama. I wonder if either of them have the logs. Regardless I pasted the link about the treaty to both of them and they were both surprised, and thought it might be bogus.  Obviously no one has the need to believe me, but I'd hope anyone that looks kindly on TEst or myself wouldn't think I'd lie about this flat out considering it is such a none issue anyway (as I have already covered, who cares enough about a treaty to leak it). 

Morgan can I ask you to stop repeating yourself and just posting the same comment again and again, we get it, you think TAC want war. Regardless, they have it, so it's old news anyway. You'd be the WORST reporter.

 

 

[citation needed]
 

 

I think the fact that at least two alliances don't trust you and believe you are a troublemaker is enough citation, just putting that out there.

[Speaker Faris Wheeler]

This is very true, I've held very civil and meaningful conversations with EoS gov several times since this all started. 

Pub, everybody knows you're soft

[ooohu]

Let's be real here, both sides wanted to go to war to some extent. If they didn't, this whole thing could've been easily averted. Both sides thought the other was a threat and they both wanted to take out that threat. Let's stop pretending this is anymore than it actually is.

Thank god someone else see's it for what it is; a war between two sides that knew a conflict would be inevitable... the contriving by both sides to gain justification for this fight is just empty theater.

[Abbas Mehdi]

We don't need spies to tell us eos wanted to hit us. Some of their members literally left for GPA to avoid an aggressive war. So stop painting a bob rose painting and putting a mountain in every thing you draw.