In Light of Recent Events

[JadenStar10]

On 3/14/2021 at 7:05 PM, Angantyr said:

>Probably a fascist sympathizer, if not one.

You are weird for caring, and you take yourself far too seriously. Normal people do not care this much. 
The whole point of this thread is 'THIS PERSON IS A FASCIST OMGWTFBBQ'

 

I am saying that I don't care. Literally. For real. I could care less about whomever's political beliefs. I just want to burn people's pixels and laugh about it later with friends. Why do you care? I really do not get it. 

Again, people who go on and on about fascists!!1 are even more intolerable than the actual fascists. I am neither, and if I was, who cares? But I like them more than those who go on witch hunts and ruin good games.
 

"... the people who were put in the camps then were Communists. Who cared about them? We knew it, it was printed in the newspapers. Who raised their voice, maybe the Confessing Church? We thought: Communists, those opponents of religion, those enemies of Christians—"should I be my brother's keeper?"

Then they got rid of the sick, the so-called incurables. I remember a conversation I had with a person who claimed to be a Christian. He said: Perhaps it's right, these incurably sick people just cost the state money, they are just a burden to themselves and to others. Isn't it best for all concerned if they are taken out of the middle [of society]? Only then did the church as such take note.

Then we started talking, until our voices were again silenced in public. Can we say, we aren't guilty/responsible?

The persecution of the Jews, the way we treated the occupied countries, or the things in Greece, in Poland, in Czechoslovakia or in Holland, that were written in the newspapers. … I believe, we Confessing-Church-Christians have every reason to say: mea culpa, mea culpa! We can talk ourselves out of it with the excuse that it would have cost me my head if I had spoken out.

We preferred to keep silent. We are certainly not without guilt/fault, and I ask myself again and again, what would have happened, if in the year 1933 or 1934—there must have been a possibility—14,000 Protestant pastors and all Protestant communities in Germany had defended the truth until their deaths? If we had said back then, it is not right when Hermann Göring simply puts 100,000 Communists in the concentration camps, in order to let them die. I can imagine that perhaps 30,000 to 40,000 Protestant Christians would have had their heads cut off, but I can also imagine that we would have rescued 30–40,000 million [sic] people, because that is what it is costing us now."
-Niemoller, 1946

Ever read the "First they came..." poem?

"First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me"
- Niemoller

If you tolerate fascism, you are part of the problem.

I don't laugh along with people who would see me and my family exterminated.

I don't tolerate those who wish to exterminate others because of their race.

Intolerance does not deserve tolerance.

Edited March 17, 2021 by JadenStar10

[Avakael]

While I imagine I'm going to get widely ridiculed, I'd like to point out that Akuryo was not the only person who felt uncomfortable, and I got nowhere. There's been a significant uptick in alt-right content across many communities on this site, and it's everywhere, and it's frankly disgusting. Even within CoTL, there are certain flavour of the month conspiracy theorists that people weren't prepared to do anything about because of the fear of exactly this kind of backlash from the rest of the site. I hope LeftBehind takes a stand on this, because it's somehow become acceptable for transphobic insults to be constantly thrown at Akuryo for everything from CoTL's diplomatic unpopularity to the way RON is run (???).

[Charles Bolivar]

Can we just roll all the alt-right bunch?

A war over ideology would be more fun than yet another Sphinx log being leaked after all.

Edited March 18, 2021 by Charles Bolivar

[JadenStar10]

15 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said:

Can we just roll all the alt-right bunch?

A war over ideology would be more fun than yet another Sphinx log being leaked after all.

Some people like to ally with known fascists unfortunately, and the game community tolerates it just enough that they still have a presence.

[Comrade Joe]

19 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said:

Can we just roll all the alt-right bunch?

A war over ideology would be more fun than yet another Sphinx log being leaked after all.

 Hi, let's sign a treaty and get working on this. MAoDP for this venture 

Edited March 18, 2021 by Comrade Joe

[Korutsu]

On 3/17/2021 at 11:53 PM, Avakael said:

While I imagine I'm going to get widely ridiculed, I'd like to point out that Akuryo was not the only person who felt uncomfortable, and I got nowhere. There's been a significant uptick in alt-right content across many communities on this site, and it's everywhere, and it's frankly disgusting. Even within CoTL, there are certain flavour of the month conspiracy theorists that people weren't prepared to do anything about because of the fear of exactly this kind of backlash from the rest of the site. I hope LeftBehind takes a stand on this, because it's somehow become acceptable for transphobic insults to be constantly thrown at Akuryo for everything from CoTL's diplomatic unpopularity to the way RON is run (???).

I can also attest to this as even within the quack sphere there have been prominent trans-phobes running amock, yet somehow are still tolerated. I will not call anyone out, however my dms have been on multiple occasions spammed with anti-trans 'memes' and people have pinged in within a server and sending messages designed to put me down and humiliate me. Yet despite me bringing this up with the leadership on multiple occasions little has been done to deal with such. We really need to put an end to this. 

Update: Shoutout to Adri for approaching me in dms and helping me sort through the issues within Quack. This still doesn't mean that the problem of transphobes is near over.

Edited March 19, 2021 by Korutsu

[Sir Scarfalot]

On 3/17/2021 at 8:50 AM, JadenStar10 said:

blah blah blah

Dropping poetic propaganda for cheap political points and by so doing implying that all your enemies are by definition fascists is in and of itself a highly fascist move, just with a deeply old coat of paint applied to their playbook. (Ok that metaphor got away from me, so what)

Those poems could be very powerful if you weren't abusing their majesty for your own direct intentions, those being to imply that anyone not instantly and directly and completely agreeing with you and your position without blinking is a dirty fascist-adjacent and thus deserving of an immediate execution.

Stop that. It's ridiculously ancient and anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see right through it.

Edited March 20, 2021 by Sir Scarfalot

[Big Brother]

10 hours ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

Dropping poetic propaganda for cheap political points and by so doing implying that all your enemies are by definition fascists is in and of itself a highly fascist move, just with a deeply old coat of paint applied to their playbook. (Ok that metaphor got away from me, so what)

Those poems could be very powerful if you weren't abusing their majesty for your own direct intentions, those being to imply that anyone not instantly and directly and completely agreeing with you and your position without blinking is a dirty fascist-adjacent and thus deserving of and immediate execution.

Stop that. It's ridiculously ancient and anyone with two brain cells to rub together can see right through it.

Oh please. If you genuinely believe that the people who want to silence fascists are the same as the people they want to silence, you're the one with brain cell issues. It's difficult to even take you seriously when you just regurgitate the same old nonsense arguments some fool shoved in your head. Think for yourself. Besides, you're misinterpreting his post. He's implying that regular average people who aren't actually fascists will at times go along with and maybe even support fascists, not that they or literally anyone opposed to him personally are fascists. Stop twisting his words so you can go "lol anti-fascists r teh real fascists!!2" for the billionth time. The fact that you want to smear people who actually want to stand up to fascism sets of some serious alarms in my head man. It's not a good look.

[Sir Scarfalot]

17 hours ago, Big Brother said:

Oh please. If you genuinely believe that the people who want to silence fascists are the same as the people they want to silence, you're the one with brain cell issues. It's difficult to even take you seriously when you just regurgitate the same old nonsense arguments some fool shoved in your head. Think for yourself. Besides, you're misinterpreting his post. He's implying that regular average people who aren't actually fascists will at times go along with and maybe even support fascists, not that they or literally anyone opposed to him personally are fascists. Stop twisting his words so you can go "lol anti-fascists r teh real fascists!!2" for the billionth time. The fact that you want to smear people who actually want to stand up to fascism sets of some serious alarms in my head man. It's not a good look.

I'm saying that silencing people outright is directly out of the fascists' playbook, no more no less. Your intentional and disingenuous interpretation of what I said is also directly out of the fascists' playbook.

So, the fact that you want to smear people who want to stand up against the fascist playbook is setting off exactly the alarms you're asserting, all without actually being productive. Which, hayo! Directly out of the fascist playbook.

What I'm against here isn't any label nor set of values per se, but rather a very clear and tragic set of behaviors, which unfortunately you are definitely exhibiting right now.

Actual fascists don't generally go through the trouble of actually explaining nor even understanding their simple-minded behaviors, and just look like complete dumbasses whenever they open their mouths, so I'm perfectly willing to believe that your intentions are perfectly genuine, just misguided. Don't fall for the fascist behaviors, just make sure you're avoiding their damned playbook, capiche?

Edited March 21, 2021 by Sir Scarfalot
Using fascist behaviors to fight fascism is behaving like a fascist, nmnl.

[Mayor]

6 hours ago, Big Brother said:

Oh please. If you genuinely believe that the people who want to silence fascists are the same as the people they want to silence, you're the one with brain cell issues. It's difficult to even take you seriously when you just regurgitate the same old nonsense arguments some fool shoved in your head. Think for yourself. Besides, you're misinterpreting his post. He's implying that regular average people who aren't actually fascists will at times go along with and maybe even support fascists, not that they or literally anyone opposed to him personally are fascists. Stop twisting his words so you can go "lol anti-fascists r teh real fascists!!2" for the billionth time. The fact that you want to smear people who actually want to stand up to fascism sets of some serious alarms in my head man. It's not a good look.

Something tells me that you would have a big problem with this bolded part. And then at the end you basically repeat what Scarf was first criticizing before you tried to shut him down. You literally prove his point for him, impressive.

[Big Brother]

7 hours ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

I'm saying that silencing people outright is directly out of the fascists' playbook, no more no less. Your intentional and disingenuous interpretation of what I said is also directly out of the fascists' playbook.

So, the fact that you want to smear people who want to stand up against the fascist playbook is setting off exactly the alarms you're asserting, all without actually being productive. Which, hayo! Directly out of the fascist playbook.

What I'm against here isn't any label nor value set, but rather a very clear and tragic set of behaviors, which unfortunately you are definitely exhibiting right now.

Actual fascists don't generally go through the trouble of actually explaining nor even understanding their simple-minded behaviors, and just look like complete dumbasses whenever they open their mouths, so I'm perfectly willing to believe that your intentions are perfectly genuine, just misguided. Don't fall for the fascist behaviors, just make sure you're avoiding their damned playbook, capiche?

Lmao sure buddy, I'll get right on that. Looks like Akuryo isn't the only one that's good at claiming everything is fascism.

Edited March 20, 2021 by Big Brother

[Firwof Kromwell]

6 hours ago, Big Brother said:

Lmao sure buddy, I'll get right on that. Looks like Akuryo isn't the only one that's good at claiming everything is fascism.

If you knew that me and Scarfie, which now you do, we usually don't see the eye to eye. He's just another guy that's does troll like Aku, but he usually more reasonable with what he does. Also, take what Scarf said word for word, it's true face value, versus twisting it out of proportion. People who call other people out that they disagree/hate (with), then try to silence them unfairly and unjustly from there human rights, are basically what they dislike, themselves. Basically, they're being the monster that they don't like seeing outside oneself(in some cases, this is called psychological projection). 

I've also been told very similar standpoints on what Scarf said from friends and family. Even history tells us that they used such harsh practices to kept there people hush as well under there control. Going even to the point of inflicting pain in psychological and physical torture, even death.  That practice was started upon in ancient times and sadly continues to this day, even legal death in the US by capital punishment. Then we also have modern day China, where if you say anything against their government, they can legally take you out at most, harshly punish/torture you at least.

 

[Sir Scarfalot]

41 minutes ago, Firwof Kromwell said:

If you knew that me and Scarfie, which now you do, we usually don't see the eye to eye. He's just another guy that's does troll like Aku, but he usually more reasonable with what he does. Also, take what Scarf said word for word, it's true face value, versus twisting it out of proportion. People who call other people out that they disagree/hate (with), then try to silence them unfairly and unjustly from there human rights, are basically what they dislike, themselves. Basically, they're being the monster that they don't like seeing outside oneself(in some cases, this is called psychological projection). 

I've also been told very similar standpoints on what Scarf said from friends and family. Even history tells us that they used such harsh practices to kept there people hush as well under there control. Going even to the point of inflicting pain in psychological and physical torture, even death.  That practice was started upon in ancient times and sadly continues to this day, even legal death in the US by capital punishment. Then we also have modern day China, where if you say anything against their government, they can legally take you out at most, harshly punish/torture you at least.

See, this guy gets it.

I simply want to point out that even historically, there were jesters in political courts that could and did say things mockingly, because you didn't have to take what they said seriously. IMO, trolls are basically the modern day recreation of that old utility... yet, even jesters and trolls have to know their audience, since a jester that went too far would see his unique privileges removed. Usually alongside his head :S

[Charles Bolivar]

Apparently it's bad to silence fascists.

🤣

[Eumirbago]

Ya'll play too much

[Etat]

Without which we let someone open their proverbial mouths, we would never know how truly stupid they are 🤣 furthermore, by desiring the silence of others are you not tacitly advertising your own want of character?

Whatever...part of the disincentive for many who might otherwise engage on the OWF is the prevailing attitude that sheer volume and moral outrage is superior to quality and reasonableness of argument.  It is not by the way.  The insufferable raging and moralising against fascists and other undesirables can surely be taken somewhere else?

Here's a thought, mute the keyboard warriors who trigger your precious emotions, and be happy...or more importantly allow others to be happy 🍻

[Firwof Kromwell]

5 hours ago, Charles Bolivar said:

Apparently it's bad to silence fascists.

🤣

How about you take what me and Scarf said at its face value, not what you and others think outside of it with y'alls own twist.

5 hours ago, Etatsorp said:

Without which we let someone open their proverbial mouths, we would never know how truly stupid they are 🤣 furthermore, by desiring the silence of others are you not tacitly advertising your own want of character?

Whatever...part of the disincentive for many who might otherwise engage on the OWF is the prevailing attitude that sheer volume and moral outrage is superior to quality and reasonableness of argument.  It is not by the way.  The insufferable raging and moralising against fascists and other undesirables can surely be taken somewhere else?

Here's a thought, mute the keyboard warriors who trigger your precious emotions, and be happy...or more importantly allow others to be happy 🍻

You realize this is just basically telling people that enjoy the outrage, just mute/ignore the people that make them blow up. I respect the first two statements, but the last one is just influencing to cause more ignorance, inconsideration as well stupidity from the people that enjoy baiting and flaming. That also goes for the people who are over insecure and sensitive, they're just going to ignore the people that make them feel in uproar, versus finding ways to cope with it, even learned how to chill out. 

Those people are also going to feed the flames by letting their emotions take the wheel. It's why society is where it is right now, just look at feminism and BLM. They used to be some of most righteous of fights. Nowadays, it feels like they secretly hate guys & others races, especially whites. I can't say much of anything else either for saying honesty & facts, before getting engulfed with negativity. 

Guys, don't you know there's a difference between hate speech and speech one hates? Censoring/cancelling facts as well things we don't like, turns us into idiots. It's claim that's it's for our safety but it is removing information empowering people outside of cancel culture even censoring from media/government. Truth doesn't damage viewpoints that are legit, only enhances them.

[Changeup]

1 hour ago, Firwof Kromwell said:

 Nowadays, it feels like they secretly hate guys & others races, especially whites. 

The point of movements such as BLM and MeToo is not "secretly hating white guys". If that's your view on those issues, then I think you're the problem. The closest thing I can think of to that is Black Nationalism, a very dated movement that barely exists at this point.

 

 

1 hour ago, Firwof Kromwell said:

Truth doesn't damage viewpoints that are legit, only enhances them.

Who are you to determine what viewpoints are legit?

[Charles Bolivar]

1 hour ago, Firwof Kromwell said:

How about you take what me and Scarf said at its face value, not what you and others think outside of it with y'alls own twist.

You realize this is just basically telling people that enjoy the outrage, just mute/ignore the people that make them blow up. I respect the first two statements, but the last one is just influencing to cause more ignorance, inconsideration as well stupidity from the people that enjoy baiting and flaming. That also goes for the people who are over insecure and sensitive, they're just going to ignore the people that make them feel in uproar, versus finding ways to cope with it, even learned how to chill out. 

Those people are also going to feed the flames by letting their emotions take the wheel. It's why society is where it is right now, just look at feminism and BLM. They used to be some of most righteous of fights. Nowadays, it feels like they secretly hate guys & others races, especially whites. I can't say much of anything else either for saying honesty & facts, before getting engulfed with negativity. 

Guys, don't you know there's a difference between hate speech and speech one hates? Censoring/cancelling facts as well things we don't like, turns us into idiots. It's claim that's it's for our safety but it is removing information empowering people outside of cancel culture even censoring from media/government. Truth doesn't damage viewpoints that are legit, only enhances them.

So you are fine with enabling fascists?

Good to know 👍

Edited March 21, 2021 by Charles Bolivar

[Sir Scarfalot]

17 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said:

So you are fine with enabling fascists?

Good to know 👍

That's not even a strawman, that's just straw on the floor of a barn.

Edited March 21, 2021 by Sir Scarfalot

[Charles Bolivar]

1 hour ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

That's not even a strawman, that's just straw on the floor of a barn.

If you are supporting the rights of fascists to free speech free from censorship...you are enabling fascists. 

Someone should tell Germany they are being mean to the fascists too I suppose 🤷‍♂️

Edited March 21, 2021 by Charles Bolivar

[Sir Scarfalot]

55 minutes ago, Charles Bolivar said:

If you are supporting the rights of fascists to free speech free from censorship...you are enabling fascists. 

Someone should tell Germany they are being mean to the fascists too I suppose 🤷‍♂️

Germany has fully functional and publicly known fascist parties, you imbecile. Even there, people are legally allowed to be fascist and those parties are tolerated exactly as much as any other parties, which does indeed mean that they get into legal trouble when they overstep the lines that the Bundestag has legally introduced. (Which, it would seem they are in such trouble. Looks like fascists are dumbasses there too. Not a surprise. Furthermore, note that Germany isn't beholden to the US constitution nor American ideas of what free speech means; their laws and cultural comfort zones are their own.)

The fact that Germans are highly against fascism and fascist behaviors of any form is laudable, and entirely different to what you're trying to present as some kind of moralist "silence/punish anyone that disagrees with me, since I'd rather not put in the effort of engaging with their arguments fairly or honestly" behavior. Which is not merely enabling facism, but is fascist in and of itself.

  

4 hours ago, Firwof Kromwell said:

How about you take what me and Scarf said at its face value, not what you and others think outside of it with y'alls own twist.

You realize this is just basically telling people that enjoy the outrage, just mute/ignore the people that make them blow up. I respect the first two statements, but the last one is just influencing to cause more ignorance, inconsideration as well stupidity from the people that enjoy baiting and flaming. That also goes for the people who are over insecure and sensitive, they're just going to ignore the people that make them feel in uproar, versus finding ways to cope with it, even learned how to chill out. 

Those people are also going to feed the flames by letting their emotions take the wheel. It's why society is where it is right now, just look at feminism and BLM. They used to be some of most righteous of fights. Nowadays, it feels like they secretly hate guys & others races, especially whites. I can't say much of anything else either for saying honesty & facts, before getting engulfed with negativity. 

Guys, don't you know there's a difference between hate speech and speech one hates? Censoring/cancelling facts as well things we don't like, turns us into idiots. It's claim that's it's for our safety but it is removing information empowering people outside of cancel culture even censoring from media/government. Truth doesn't damage viewpoints that are legit, only enhances them.

I wrote a post addressing this in the general discussion thread, since that convo is most assuredly NOT "alliance affairs" by this point

Edited March 22, 2021 by Sir Scarfalot

[DJ Kate Bush]

47 minutes ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

Germany has fully functional and publicly known fascist parties, you imbecile. Even there, people are legally allowed to be fascist and those parties are tolerated exactly as much as any other parties, which does indeed mean that they get into legal trouble when they overstep the lines that the Bundestag has legally introduced. Which, it would seem they are. (Note that Germany isn't beholden to the US constitution nor American ideas of what free speech means.)

The fact that Germans are highly against fascism and fascist behaviors of any form is laudable, and entirely contrary to what you're trying to present as some kind of moralist "execute anyone that disagrees with me, since they don't deserve life" facism. Which is not merely enabling facism, but is fascist in and of itself.

tbh I think the main point is that people don't want to share the game with people who hate things about people based on things that those people can't control. Which is fair enough. I don't want to join in the whole "you're a fascist! No, You're a fascist" thing because it's pointless. 

It goes beyond that and some things said in jest can cross a line, once that line is crossed I don't want to play with them anymore.

Edited March 22, 2021 by DJ Kate Bush
I added the word "can" because some jokes maybe can be tolerated, but others can't

[Sir Scarfalot]

2 minutes ago, DJ Kate Bush said:

tbh I think the main point is that people don't want to share the game with people who hate things about people based on things that those people can't control. Which is fair enough. I don't want to join in the whole "you're a fascist! No, You're a fascist" thing because it's pointless. 

It goes beyond that and some things said in jest can cross a line, once that line is crossed I don't want to play with them anymore.

I'm right there with you, unfortunately the convo has clearly gone a bit past where it was supposed to have ended. I'd actually kind of argue that it was never a convo about the actual game at all lmao

But yeah, humor isn't easy and jokes can cross lines. I hear ya there

[MinesomeMC]

On 3/17/2021 at 2:46 PM, Charles Bolivar said:

Can we just roll all the alt-right bunch?

A war over ideology would be more fun than yet another Sphinx log being leaked after all.

Unfortunately a lot of members of the Left (typically Neo Liberals and farleft) mark anyone who they dont agree with as Alt-Right or "Fascist". You can't simply roll the alt-right when those who are placed there are usually not the alt-right.