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  1. 1. Best Alliance Theme

    • Arrgh
      63
    • Chocolate Castle
      69
    • Error 404
      50
    • The Lost Empire
      28
    • The Syndicate
      60
  2. 2. Best Alliance Page

    • Chocolate Castle (https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=7346)
      38
    • Error 404 (https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=7413)
      43
    • Rose (https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=790)
      73
    • Seven Kingdoms (https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=615)
      17
    • The Knights Radiant (https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=1584)
      74
    • The Lost Empire (https://politicsandwar.com/alliance/id=6126)
      25
  3. 3. Best Alliance Discord

    • Carthago
      29
    • Chocolate Castle
      33
    • Church of Atom
      17
    • Order of the White Rose
      17
    • Rose
      93
    • The Knights Radiant
      46
    • The Syndicate
      35
  4. 4. Most Engaged Alliance

    • Children of the Light
      18
    • Error 404
      38
    • Rose
      76
    • The Knights Radiant
      68
    • The Syndicate
      70
  5. 5. Best Treaty Announcement

    • Nexus (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/29578-episode-iv-a-new-hope/)
      34
    • Rose + HM + Swamp secret treaties (link secret)
      79
    • Swamp (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/28432-treaty-in-a-kingdom-far-far-away/)
      70
    • The Imperium and Chocolate Castle (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/29605-treaty-the-emperor-and-his-chocolate/)
      32
    • The Knights Radiant and The Syndicate (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/27653-mirror-accords/)
      55
  6. 6. Best Declaration of War

    • Arrgh's Recognition of Hostilities with Ampersand (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/29947-roh-you-dont-think-im-petty-enough/)
      38
    • Hedge Money DoW vs. The Commonwealth (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/29717-hedge-money-announcement/)
      79
    • Terminal Jest on United Purple Nations (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/29718-pull-up-dow-terminal-jest/)
      51
    • The Imperium and Chocolate Castle on The Wei (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/29769-dow-happy-birthwei/)
      45
    • Wherever Swamp’s DoW on Arrgh was (not linking)
      57
  7. 7. Best Propaganda Post

    • A (Not So) Brief Note on the Narrative (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30175-a-not-so-brief-note-on-the-narrative/)
      37
    • Alex's post on the NPO Scandal (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/27996-252020-major-announcement-regarding-enforcement-of-game-rules/)
      113
    • An end to the war: A $yndicate broadcast (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30372-an-end-to-the-war-a-yndicate-broadcast/)
      44
    • One of Phoenyx's many threads (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30233-the-global-war-the-factions-within-it-and-possible-steps-moving-forward/)
      46
    • Where am I? Partisan musings (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30278-where-am-i-partisan-musings/)
      30
  8. 8. Best Gaming Crew

    • Children of the Light (Among Us)
      45
    • Chocolate Castle
      21
    • Rose
      73
    • The Knights Radiant
      71
    • The Syndicate (#paradoxia)
      60
  9. 9. Business of the Year

    • Radiant Designs
      33
    • Royal Orbis News
      135
    • Swingset
      28
    • Thalmor Radio
      59
    • The Foundation Bank
      15
  10. 10. Best Art Designer

    • Ameyuri
      61
    • Elder Rachael
      42
    • Mad Max
      45
    • MinesomeMC
      55
    • Pika
      67
  11. 11. Best Moderator

    • Adrienne
      67
    • Chief Wiggum
      10
    • Dr Rush
      42
    • Lossi
      21
    • Ripper
      23
    • None, they all suck.
      107
  12. 12. Best Community Contributor

    • Adrienne
      66
    • Borg
      54
    • Carthago for CTOwned
      88
    • Phoenyx
      27
    • Thalmor
      35
  13. 13. Best New Addition to the Community

    • Sahina (Jim)
      25
    • Borg
      113
    • BrythonLexi
      24
    • DuccZucc
      25
    • Hari
      8
    • MrPants
      21
    • Yang
      54
  14. 14. Funniest Player

    • Eumirbago
      39
    • Hodor
      28
    • Kevanovia
      33
    • LordStrum
      42
    • Shifty
      74
    • Yang
      54
  15. 15. Nicest Player

    • Adrienne
      93
    • Anna
      17
    • Daveth
      46
    • HannaH
      43
    • Yui/Purplemoon
      71
  16. 16. Best Bromance

    • Alex & his credit stash
      114
    • Arrgh & The Knights Radiant
      42
    • Daveth & Krampus
      29
    • Tarroc & Putmir Vladin
      41
    • Vein & Dryad
      44
  17. 17. Best OOC Poster

    • Cooper
      53
    • Eumirbago
      30
    • Havgle
      27
    • Hodor
      37
    • Jordan's cats
      66
    • MinesomeMC
      57
  18. 18. Best Forums Topic

    • Alex's Announcement on the NPO Cheating Scandal (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/27996-252020-major-announcement-regarding-enforcement-of-game-rules/)
      109
    • An Appeal to Phoenyx: Peace Negotiations/Propaganda (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30436-an-appeal-to-phoenyx-peace-negotiationspropaganda/)
      32
    • Mysterious HM leader finally revealed? (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30389-mysterious-hm-leader-finally-revealed/)
      28
    • t$ milcom leaks (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30135-t-milcom-leaks/)
      40
    • We are here for the whales - t$ DoW (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30090-we-are-here-for-the-whales-t-dow/)
      61
  19. 19. Best Forums Reply

    • Fire Vero (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30437-psst-more-t-leaks/&tab=comments#comment-481023)
      73
    • Goodnight (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/29129-are-we-willing-to-forgive/&do=findComment&comment=464358)
      24
    • Jaden's request to become a UU diplomat (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30451-treaty-the-boreal-union-united-ummah-non-aggression-pact/page/2/&tab=comments#comment-481392)
      53
    • NO (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30344-where-to-now-immortals-and-tfp/&do=findComment&comment=479631)
      66
    • Two red buttons (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30098-propaganda-thread/&do=findComment&comment=474833)
      54
  20. 20. Best Wall of Text

    • A (Not So) Brief Note on the Narrative (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30175-a-not-so-brief-note-on-the-narrative/)
      56
    • Dwight K Schrute's departure from Schrute Farms (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30429-asm-declaration-of-support-for-schrute-farms/)
      54
    • Everything posted, ever
      41
    • No Wall of Text is the best
      87
    • What did the mysterious HM leader mean? (https://forum.politicsandwar.com/index.php?/topic/30213-what-did-mysterious-hm-leader-mean/)
      32
  21. 21. Best Leak

    • Anything that comes out of Sphinx's mouth
      132
    • Elijah and his burritos
      32
    • Error 404 chat logs
      32
    • Sphinx/Boyce logs that started GW16
      47
    • The infamous Ronny leak
      27
  22. 22. Biggest Controversy

    • Children of the Light withholding a former member (Odin)'s safekeeping deposits (Odin)
      24
    • Dwight Schrute attempting to sell Schrute Farms, then taking the bank and running
      48
    • NPO Cheating Scandal
      121
    • Rose, Hedge Money, and Swamp all having paperless treaties
      52
    • The existence of Orbis
      25
  23. 23. Biggest Meme

    • 2020
      69
    • NPO mass deleting
      80
    • Phoenyx's talks about GW16
      30
    • Swamp kicking out half of their bloc
      51
    • The secret Hedge Money leader
      40
  24. 24. Funniest Event

    • Buorhann thinking that he had secret logs from Kayser, but then his DM history with Kayser turned out to be blank
      28
    • Elijah and his burritos
      30
    • IQ all drinking the kool-aid and mass deleting after NPO leadership got banned
      84
    • Rose defending Schrute Farms from 4 nations through a secret treaty and then getting raided for a month afterwards for their own stupidity
      58
    • When Blackbird deleted 3.2b in infra to "counter" Dryad but only hit Vein
      70

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This is honestly disappointing, and does not instil confidence about the process behind these awards.

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All of these posts except one have fewer positive reactions than my own nominated post:

  1. Cooper's post - 43 positive reactions (1 Like / 5 Haha / 37 Upvote)
  2. Alex's post - 113 positive reactions (14 Like / 7 Thanks / 5 Haha / 87 Upvote)
  3. Prefonteen/Partisan's post - 38 positive reactions (7 Like / 8 Haha / 23 Upvote)
  4. Phoenyx's post - 4 positive reactions (1 Haha / 3 Upvote)
  5. Another Prefonteen/Partisan post - 18 positive reactions (1 Like / 1 Haha / 16 Upvote)
  • Zephyr's post - 53 positive reactions (3 Like / 44 Haha / 6 Upvote)

Obviously this process lacks objectivity when less positively received posts are included while my own more positively received post (even across war lines) is excluded. I'm not sure this category even needs a vote if all the nominations are for content on this forum as users have already reacted to them and determined their value. That is to say, of these 6 posts, mine was the second most valued and doesn't even get a mention. In fact, the entire short-listing process seems like it's just been an opportunity for alliances to limit our attention to the posts they permit, and given the results it's obvious they were not acting in good faith or with any regard for popular opinion.

I know many of you won't care about this insignificant award category and my specific concerns, but I think this example does make it extremely obvious how flawed the entire process is, and how much overbearing control alliances have over the options given for voting. Shouldn't be surprised though, it seems every year these are bungled for one reason or another; if it's not alliances carefully manicuring options, it's just a contest to mobilise one's tribe to vote for 'their guy'.

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@Zephyr Naturally, they lack objectivity given that people are deciding, not stats and machines. More recent (or more impactful older) events are always going to weigh more heavily on individuals' minds than ones from longer ago even with the measures we've taken to try and minimize that (including links, providing the recap of the year, etc) and it's not possible to know if the result would have been the same with or without the shortlisting round. That being said, I'm sorry you're disappointed. This shortlisting system is one that is in its second year of use though and there were little complaints about it last year or from individuals prior to now, so the sudden disapproval is more than a bit of a surprise. Perhaps it's because last year, we didn't do public nominations and this year we did and, as a result, we need to make adjustments. We'll be learning from this year and the complaints people have made to improve upon the process for next year.

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22 minutes ago, Zephyr said:

Obviously this process lacks objectivity when less positively received posts are included while my own more positively received post (even across war lines) is excluded

Calling bias doesn't help if your nominations got shortlisted, especially because at the end of the day people are picking what they themselves like, and not what trying to find one un-offensive post "everybody" likes. It should be noted, that a vast majority of the playerbase doesn't frequent the forums. Moreover, on the forums, a person can upvote more than one post, in unlimited amounts to my understanding, but in the voting process, they have to pick very limited amounts, which ends up being something like "Which post do I find funnier?" (in this specific case). For what it's worth, not even your alliance's representative voted for your nomination.

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2 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

@Zephyr Naturally, they lack objectivity given that people are deciding, not stats and machines. More recent (or more impactful older) events are always going to weigh more heavily on individuals' minds than ones from longer ago even with the measures we've taken to try and minimize that (including links, providing the recap of the year, etc) and it's not possible to know if the result would have been the same with or without the shortlisting round. That being said, I'm sorry you're disappointed. This shortlisting system is one that is in its second year of use though and there were little complaints about it last year or from individuals prior to now, so the sudden disapproval is more than a bit of a surprise. Perhaps it's because last year, we didn't do public nominations and this year we did and, as a result, we need to make adjustments. We'll be learning from this year and the complaints people have made to improve upon the process for next year.

Those are nice words that do nothing to resolve the current problems. It also fails to address how less valued posts were included in the final vote than more valued and nominated posts, or why this wasn't spotted and corrected for? I've also seen similar complaints for other categories. I mean, are you literally just shrugging off these massive oversights with "Well, that's how the system is rigged. Oopsies"?

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2 minutes ago, Krampus said:

Calling bias doesn't help if your nominations got shortlisted, especially because at the end of the day people are picking what they themselves like, and not what trying to find one un-offensive post "everybody" likes. It should be noted, that a vast majority of the playerbase doesn't frequent the forums. Moreover, on the forums, a person can upvote more than one post, in unlimited amounts to my understanding, but in the voting process, they have to pick very limited amounts, which ends up being something like "Which post do I find funnier?" (in this specific case). For what it's worth, not even your alliance's representative voted for your nomination.

Fair point on the comparative value point, but you can still see the point stands. There's literally a Phoenyx post in the offerings that was at its time, less popular than my own (by a whole 50 positive reactions). Surely you can see a problem there?

You're a top 20 alliance leader who'd have had comfortable representation of choosing in the closed door short-listing process, I can't imagine you have many problems with an awards process that gives you more opportunity of control than a mere commoner like myself.

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Just now, Zephyr said:

You're a top 20 alliance leader who'd have had comfortable representation of choosing in the closed door short-listing process, I can't imagine you have many problems with an awards process that gives you more opportunity of control than a mere commoner like myself.

Actually no, I am not, Daveth (our dear leader who stays in the offshore and thus mostly goes unnoticed) represented Carthago. And in the past I had my fair share of problems about the awards. In the past years my qualms were more "Why does my alliance leader not ask me about my opinion and just vote on his own?" which I eventually brought up with him as well as our alliance to make amends, and I can speak for my alliance in saying that they were fixed. I obviously don't know how t$ reps go about this process, but maybe voicing your concerns with them (about the lack of members voice being represented) might be fruitful. I figure in some major/bigger alliances, it is harder to have everyone's input.

5 minutes ago, Zephyr said:

Fair point on the comparative value point, but you can still see the point stands. There's literally a Phoenyx post in the offerings that was at its time, less popular than my own (by a whole 50 positive reactions). Surely you can see a problem there?

I see your point, which is fair, it's questionable why people picked that, but I think that's a problem due to the people who voted for that post, instead of the system as a whole being corrupt/mislead.

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9 minutes ago, Zephyr said:

Those are nice words that do nothing to resolve the current problems. It also fails to address how less valued posts were included in the final vote than more valued and nominated posts, or why this wasn't spotted and corrected for? I've also seen similar complaints for other categories. I mean, are you literally just shrugging off these massive oversights with "Well, that's how the system is rigged. Oopsies"?

I've not shrugged anything off but I'm not going to change the entire awards system on a whim either, which I would think you would appreciate not scorn. An enormous amount of time and effort went into this and while I may concede that what worked for last year may not have worked for this year with the other changes that were made, it will take some time to figure out how to adjust for that and I would prefer to give that the time and analysis it deserves than trying to immediately appease the handful of complaints that have been expressed.

My goal with these awards has always been to try and level the playing field across alliances by preventing coordinated voting/give alliances other than the largest ones a voice, and to be as fair as possible in the process. I would not call it a massive oversight that I couldn't predict how opening up nominations to everyone and trying to be more inclusive with the nominations may have impacted the shortlisting process, if that is indeed what happened. If anything happened at all. There are 75 categories in total, not just the handful that have been complained about, and they need to be looked at more in depth. And the perspectives of you and the other folks complaining, while understandable, are hardly objective either, as the only complaints I've seen have come from individuals upset their nominations didn't make the shortlist. So, considering all that, maybe I made a mistake in airing my initial thoughts on what may be influencing what.

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4 minutes ago, Krampus said:

I see your point, which is fair, it's questionable why people picked that, but I think that's a problem due to the people who voted for that post, instead of the system as a whole being corrupt/mislead.

That makes it a problem of the system. That's my entire point, the selection left for us to vote on is obviously too controlled by alliances in the short-listing process when as I demonstrated, a popular nominated post was not included, while much less popular ones were. If the assumption is the awards attempt to identify the best fit per category (in some process resembling some kind of fairness), then having a process which allows alliances to remove obviously popular choices is obstructive to that goal and gives them exceptional power to undermine the vote.

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18 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

...as the only complaints I've seen have come from individuals upset their nominations didn't make the shortlist.

What reasonable alternative are you suggesting you expected with this comment? Are you suggesting you most expected to see people complain that they didn't nominate anything and that the thing they didn't nominate wasn't included? Obviously one would notice the absence of their nomination, so it makes sense they would be the one most inclined to make a complaint about its absence.

Alternatively maybe you're suggesting you most expected to see people complain about nominations they didn't make, care about, or even notice being made? This also makes no sense though.

31 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

I would not call it a massive oversight that I couldn't predict...

I wasn't talking about prediction, I was talking about failure to make adjustments during the short listing process given that you can see it resulted in less valued posts being included while more valued ones weren't. I mean you did say...

45 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

My goal with these awards has always been...to be as fair as possible in the process.

Am I to believe you legitimately value fairness, or do you value process more? Maybe we can eat a cake and have it too.

37 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

...it will take some time to figure out how to adjust for that and I would prefer to give that the time and analysis it deserves than trying to immediately appease the handful of complaints that have been expressed.

The complaint is about the biased nature of your process, but sure let's reduce a very reasonable criticism to "handful of complaints". I mean, surely it's not a big deal so long as your process appeases the biggest alliances with the biggest voices first, as is the process seemingly designed to do.

21 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

And the perspectives of you and the other folks complaining, while understandable, are hardly objective either...

This category is for forum posts on this same forum, where users have already expressed the value of the posts with reactions. I've questioned the legitimacy of the shortlisting process which resulted in including less valued posts over more valued posts as already determined by the same users asked to vote here again. The process is obviously flawed given the resulting vote options.

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IMO upvotes have never been an accurate measure of post quality on any forum board or social media website ever, but I do think that your post (and all nominations) should've been voted on because it makes very little sense for a small group of nominees to determine a shortlist that the entirety of Orbis will have a much wider collective experience with (hence my earlier suggestion), and then if all the people who upvoted your post vote for you, let the chips fall that way :P

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12 hours ago, Aqua-Corpsman said:

True, but to you it doesn't seem like the "elite" have a differing opinion than the masses?

What do you define as "elite". Also, are the masses active enough to recognize all of the options?

I know I'm not 😶

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1 minute ago, zigbigadorlou said:

What do you define as "elite"?

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1 hour ago, Aqua-Corpsman said:

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Well given your boldness to criticize actively, I think you could count as an elite. 

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2 minutes ago, zigbigadorlou said:

Well given your boldness to criticize actively, I think you could count as an elite. 

Awwwww. I don't know if I should, but I took that as a compliment ❤️ 

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1 minute ago, Empiur said:

i'm already alliance representative for the vote among representatives

The voting already happened, so you are no longer a representative. Ha.

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Maestro when he sees people complaining about the organizers not taking their suggestions seriously...

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PS. Thanks to all the organizers for the hard work and time that goes into making these awards possible ❤️

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On 1/13/2021 at 4:06 AM, Anun Tidera said:

If there was a best traitor award, that might be where you would go. 🤣

Do you know your alliance takes your resources and stuff when you VM?

You don’t? Well now you do! Stay safe bud and don’t overwork yourself because it wont matter at the End.

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