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6 minutes ago, Avakael said:

Did you really just write four paragraphs about your warstat e-peen

To be fair he was shitting on Fist for bragging about stats that Enterprise's City 3s have after 2 month~ of raiding lul

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When it comes to the nature of the illusions we keep in our minds, it often is an attempt to re-frame reality in a way that makes us feel good. Whether that is about ourselves, or a group we are in(Like a PnW AA), your ideas, ect. In this sense, it functions like a drug. I think this creates this phenomena we all have seen here, where many people have clearly started to try and argue against me not over the veracity of my claims, but because I have punctured the good feelings people get from their illusions.

TKR and T$ have been nothing short of abominable in this thread(and others), your ideas crumble under even mild scrutiny, the dishonesty of it's members and leadership is evident. Absurd statements from your leaders are on full display.

This is pathetic. 

6 hours ago, Sisyphus said:

I am fooled.

So you really believe partisan's lie about Swamp dragging me out of inactivity and siccing me on people? LOL
 

18 hours ago, Bollocks said:

Man, you know you’re off the rails when even kastor tells you stop. 😂

I cant say I see anymore quality in TS's or TKR's posts then Kastors, we have Ben, the leader of TKR, not even know what an Ad hom is LOL. We have Partisan dodging my point and trying to get away with it using fallacious logic. T$'s culture is in a bad spot. 

5 hours ago, Mayor said:

I mean I love to attack tS and TKR any day of the week, and tbh this war didn't do it for me, so a future war with them will have to come eventually so I can finally settle my personal, ancient grudge. But for real, tS isn't that bad of an alliance and neither is TKR. however you are trolling a crap ton on the forums and you are a VM nation (Typical Pantheon amirite), not even involved in the war, and war dodged a crap ton of times. You pointed out your stats like they mean something (they don't). Come on mate, get out of VM and join the dogpile or just quietly exit. You just look silly.

Also nice that you only show infrastructure destroyed/received and loot/wars when your other stats provide a completely different picture. You have 629 ships destroyed, 9581 aircraft destroyed, 81,032 tanks wrecked, and 5,122,793 soldiers murdered. So really you were not fighting much as these stats show, probably some inactives? For comparison I have 1,042,063 tanks destroyed, 153,607 aircraft destroyed, 30,359,866 soldiers brutally executed.

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As you can see I have won 35 less wars than you, but all my stats are far, far higher than yours. Most of these stats were from global wars, not really much from Arrgh raiding. It has been years since I was in Arrgh actively so your war stats don't really show that "you are the one doing the rolling". Tbh I have probably your same stats from this TKR dogpile alone.

So I checked the war stats page and I have in this war (5 wars) caused 1.36b of damage and looted 450m this war alone according to the stats. I can't seem to find any unit stats. And I'm not even close to the most active, best fighter in this war and am just a normie. So seriously if you post garbage stats like that and act like some military maverick then yeah I'm going to call bullshit. You don't have any wars lost because you VM before that can even happen.

Point 1: T$'s culture has clearly gone to shit, the evidence in just this thread alone is substantial. If you dont think this behavior is abominable, this tide of nonsensical reasoning, attempted bullying, and outright lies, I think it says more about you then it does T$

Point 2: Defeating people in arguments does not equate trolling :P

Point 3: You are doing a strawman when it comes to the stats I posted. I posted what I did in a counter to Kastor's claim about "Roll me again", when I have yet to be rolled heh. My argument never had anything to do with my "Skill"(LOL) in war on this browser based nation sim heh. The breaking bad meme was a joke heh. Your behavior is typical of someone who seems envious though, and I'm really not sure why, there are people whom have far more kills then I do, as you pointed out. And as Shioh pointed out, it isn't a guarantee of competency. Weird flex bro.

When you said you proved me to be a liar, I really had my hopes up that someone finally made an interesting argument, but it disappointingly was just an extreme lack of reading comprehension on your end(It was a picture with 2 sentences man, middle school level stuff LOL)

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On 11/8/2020 at 1:30 AM, Mayor said:

You are seriously pathetic. I still assume you are trolling since you are not winning any arguments and just making a fool of yourself by screaming nonsense at everyone in this thread.

Partisan said something similar when he said: "You have done neither. Your posturing and insult-slinging is rendered ineffectual by your utter lack of coherence. You have brought forward nothing but an opinion based on your misremembrances of 2-3 years old events that have no bearing on the leadup to this war. "

I am just screaming nonsense you say? Nothing but opinion based on past misremembrances part says?

WELL Lets go through what I have said here:

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out that Parti dodged my argument against his post

-It was not nonsensical when I countered his claim of TKR being blameless with how they conducted themselves in the knightfall peace talks

-It was not nonsensical when I mentioned that what Ben's argument had nothing to do with my comment on their echo chamber

-It was not nonsensical when I clearly showed Leoplods claims to be false

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out what Leopld said was not what I mentioned here

-It was not nonsensical When I pointed out Justins Strawman argument, when he lied about saying that I justified TKR being rolled out of the game

-It was not nonsensical When I countered Kastors claim about me getting rolled again, with how I haven't been rolled heh

-It was not nonsensical When I called Kastors accusation about me being sent bu people by suggesting some tin foil, heh

-It was not nonsensical when I called Partisan a liar when he lied about swamp bringing me back into the game and siccing me on people LOL

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out Partisans fallacies, when he tried to suggest I offer proof over a claim he has never even disputed(Goal post fallacy), and how he then just insulted my character(Ad hom)

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out to Bollocks TKRs/TS's tactic of trying to insult/bully when they cant substantiate a point

-It was not nonsensical when I said T$s culture seems to have gone to shit, the above and bellow examples alone substantiate that, and this type of stuff is in many threads

-It was not nonsensical when I countered Bens claim that I use Ad homs, when I explained to the man what an Ad home actually is LOL

-It was not nonsensical when I suggested to Belguim fury that he may be reading too much into too little, when he suggested that my Undefeated war record say a lot

-It was not nonsensical when countered Tartaruses conflation of thins I said, when I pointed out distintions he failed to grasp.

-It was not nonsensical when I put Sisyphius on the spot for saying he beleived the lies Partisan has said here

-It was not nonsensical  when I pointed out how TS/TKR's conduct was on the same level as Kastor's posts


The facts do make it clear that there is an extreme level of confusion, dishonesty, strait up derp, and lying going on. It is evident that the entity of it is coming from TS/TKR, and a few other members.

Partisans claim about what I was saying is another lie.
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On 11/8/2020 at 1:49 AM, Prefonteen said:

I am defeated at last.

The shame is unbearable. Consider this my resignation from Orbis politics. May whomever is foolish enough to challenge the great orator Fist be blessed enough to last a night.

Buwahaha. When one cant argue, I suppose one mocks heh.

In all seriousness, you and your spheres arguments and behaviors where so awful, I cant say it was any sort of feat.
I do really like this comment though, and while you are kidding, I will happily take my newfound title as snek slayer LOL. I really didn't think you and your sphere would be pushovers with nonsensical arguments. I never had to counter a decent point, you guys just lie, dodge and bullshit =/. Ben really didn't help either heh

As for my initial claim, about how you argue in bad faith, the evidence from just this thread(And I saw much of the same in other threads..) substantiates it.

It really is a damn shame to see how T$ has fallen to this point, and I think I really summed it up perfectly in my last post:

TKR and T$ have been nothing short of abominable in this thread(and others), their ideas crumble under even mild scrutiny, the dishonesty of it's members and leadership is evident. Absurd statements from their leaders are on full display.

This is pathetic. 

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12 minutes ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

Partisan said something similar when he said: "You have done neither. Your posturing and insult-slinging is rendered ineffectual by your utter lack of coherence. You have brought forward nothing but an opinion based on your misremembrances of 2-3 years old events that have no bearing on the leadup to this war. "

I am just screaming nonsense you say? Nothing but opinion based on past misremembrances part says?

WELL Lets go through what I have said here:

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out that Parti dodged my argument against his post

-It was not nonsensical when I countered his claim of TKR being blameless with how they conducted themselves in the knightfall peace talks

-It was not nonsensical when I mentioned that what Ben's argument had nothing to do with my comment on their echo chamber

-It was not nonsensical when I clearly showed Leoplods claims to be false

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out what Leopld said was not what I mentioned here

-It was not nonsensical When I pointed out Justins Strawman argument, when he lied about saying that I justified TKR being rolled out of the game

-It was not nonsensical When I countered Kastors claim about me getting rolled again, with how I haven't been rolled heh

-It was not nonsensical When I called Kastors accusation about me being sent bu people by suggesting some tin foil, heh

-It was not nonsensical when I called Partisan a liar when he lied about swamp bringing me back into the game and siccing me on people LOL

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out Partisans fallacies, when he tried to suggest I offer proof over a claim he has never even disputed(Goal post fallacy), and how he then just insulted my character(Ad hom)

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out to Bollocks TKRs/TS's tactic of trying to insult/bully when they cant substantiate a point

-It was not nonsensical when I said T$s culture seems to have gone to shit, the above and bellow examples alone substantiate that, and this type of stuff is in many threads

-It was not nonsensical when I countered Bens claim that I use Ad homs, when I explained to the man what an Ad home actually is LOL

-It was not nonsensical when I suggested to Belguim fury that he may be reading too much into too little, when he suggested that my Undefeated war record say a lot

-It was not nonsensical when countered Tartaruses conflation of thins I said, when I pointed out distintions he failed to grasp.

-It was not nonsensical when I put Sisyphius on the spot for saying he beleived the lies Partisan has said here

-It was not nonsensical  when I pointed out how TS/TKR's conduct was on the same level as Kastor's posts


The facts do make it clear that there is an extreme level of confusion, dishonesty, strait up derp, and lying going on. It is evident that the entity of it is coming from TS/TKR, and a few other members.

Partisans claim about what I was saying is another lie.
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Buwahaha. When one cant argue, I suppose one mocks heh.

In all seriousness, you and your spheres arguments and behaviors where so awful, I cant say it was any sort of feat.
I do really like this comment though, and while you are kidding, I will happily take my newfound title as snek slayer LOL. I really didn't think you and your sphere would be pushovers with nonsensical arguments. I never had to counter a decent point, you guys just lie, dodge and bullshit =/. Ben really didn't help either heh

As for my initial claim, about how you argue in bad faith, the evidence from just this thread(And I saw much of the same in other threads..) substantiates it.

It really is a damn shame to see how T$ has fallen to this point, and I think I really summed it up perfectly in my last post:

TKR and T$ have been nothing short of abominable in this thread(and others), their ideas crumble under even mild scrutiny, the dishonesty of it's members and leadership is evident. Absurd statements from their leaders are on full display.

This is pathetic. 

Yield! Yield! Stop descecrating my forum corpse! 

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On 11/8/2020 at 6:53 AM, Shiho Nishizumi said:

If I'm allowed to be frank, stats only mean anything if the guy possessing them keeps it up once he's under; otherwise, it's just meaningless padding. I've seen too many people with ostensibly good stats just purple/roll over once they've been 0'd or dragged.

 

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4 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

Partisan said something similar when he said: "You have done neither. Your posturing and insult-slinging is rendered ineffectual by your utter lack of coherence. You have brought forward nothing but an opinion based on your misremembrances of 2-3 years old events that have no bearing on the leadup to this war. "

I am just screaming nonsense you say? Nothing but opinion based on past misremembrances part says?

WELL Lets go through what I have said here:

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out that Parti dodged my argument against his post

-It was not nonsensical when I countered his claim of TKR being blameless with how they conducted themselves in the knightfall peace talks

-It was not nonsensical when I mentioned that what Ben's argument had nothing to do with my comment on their echo chamber

-It was not nonsensical when I clearly showed Leoplods claims to be false

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out what Leopld said was not what I mentioned here

-It was not nonsensical When I pointed out Justins Strawman argument, when he lied about saying that I justified TKR being rolled out of the game

-It was not nonsensical When I countered Kastors claim about me getting rolled again, with how I haven't been rolled heh

-It was not nonsensical When I called Kastors accusation about me being sent bu people by suggesting some tin foil, heh

-It was not nonsensical when I called Partisan a liar when he lied about swamp bringing me back into the game and siccing me on people LOL

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out Partisans fallacies, when he tried to suggest I offer proof over a claim he has never even disputed(Goal post fallacy), and how he then just insulted my character(Ad hom)

-It was not nonsensical when I pointed out to Bollocks TKRs/TS's tactic of trying to insult/bully when they cant substantiate a point

-It was not nonsensical when I said T$s culture seems to have gone to shit, the above and bellow examples alone substantiate that, and this type of stuff is in many threads

-It was not nonsensical when I countered Bens claim that I use Ad homs, when I explained to the man what an Ad home actually is LOL

-It was not nonsensical when I suggested to Belguim fury that he may be reading too much into too little, when he suggested that my Undefeated war record say a lot

-It was not nonsensical when countered Tartaruses conflation of thins I said, when I pointed out distintions he failed to grasp.

-It was not nonsensical when I put Sisyphius on the spot for saying he beleived the lies Partisan has said here

-It was not nonsensical  when I pointed out how TS/TKR's conduct was on the same level as Kastor's posts


The facts do make it clear that there is an extreme level of confusion, dishonesty, strait up derp, and lying going on. It is evident that the entity of it is coming from TS/TKR, and a few other members.

Partisans claim about what I was saying is another lie.
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Buwahaha. When one cant argue, I suppose one mocks heh.

In all seriousness, you and your spheres arguments and behaviors where so awful, I cant say it was any sort of feat.
I do really like this comment though, and while you are kidding, I will happily take my newfound title as snek slayer LOL. I really didn't think you and your sphere would be pushovers with nonsensical arguments. I never had to counter a decent point, you guys just lie, dodge and bullshit =/. Ben really didn't help either heh

As for my initial claim, about how you argue in bad faith, the evidence from just this thread(And I saw much of the same in other threads..) substantiates it.

It really is a damn shame to see how T$ has fallen to this point, and I think I really summed it up perfectly in my last post:

TKR and T$ have been nothing short of abominable in this thread(and others), their ideas crumble under even mild scrutiny, the dishonesty of it's members and leadership is evident. Absurd statements from their leaders are on full display.

This is pathetic. 

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8 hours ago, Miller said:

This nation is in Vacation Mode for the next 4,277 turns. This nation cannot be attacked or traded with during that time.

Yeah it is. 

It tough work to shout from the void at people. 

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@The God Emperor of Mankind

 

I wrote this guide over 3 years ago. It saddens me that this is a lesson that still needs to be taught.

 

At least Sphinx understands.

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In all seriousness does the OWF no longer have moderators? Does there need to be a specific rule that players who quit the game years ago can't derail one of the games only active discussions? 

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7 hours ago, Redarmy said:

It tough work to shout from the void at people. 

 

4 hours ago, Sisyphus said:

@The God Emperor of Mankind

 

I wrote this guide over 3 years ago. It saddens me that this is a lesson that still needs to be taught.

 

At least Sphinx understands.

So when I questioned the veracity of your claim, when you claimed you where fooled by Partisans lies about Swamp bringing me back from the grave, you dodged that and try to bring up irrelevant stuff LOL. VM or not, my arguments stand.

And the dishonest and abominable behavior of your side is on full display.

2 hours ago, Smith said:

In all seriousness does the OWF no longer have moderators? Does there need to be a specific rule that players who quit the game years ago can't derail one of the games only active discussions? 

My claim originally was a direct reply to OP

Incase anyone forgot, this is what it was:
"I think it would be foolish of Swamp to continue to discuss this topic with you, when you have been arguing in such bad faith this entire time. If you want to understand their reasons for the war, they have gone into them in great detail already. I dont see how them giving you more opportunity to twist things would be appropriate or in their interests.

I sometimes wonder if it was TKR's Echo chamber that truly ended up making half the game or so feel like they needed to roll them out the game, because convo was meaningless. If that indeed was the root cause, I would suggest they learn from the past, not repeat it."

 After several pages now of fallacious logic, lies, and absurd ideas from your side, you then are trying to call in Moderation to win your fights for you? LOL.

I have repeatedly tried to get you guys to focus on my argument, and in typical TKR/TS derp, you then blame me for your absurd and all over the place responses hahahahahah

This is simply incredible. Ty Smith, ty for this.

TKR and TS continue to show off how awful their alliance cultures are.

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2 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

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Cool but there is no point talking to somebody who quit the game years ago.

Spend your time on something more productive than writing a WoT for a game you don't play and that I'm not even going to read

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53 minutes ago, Smith said:

Cool but there is no point talking to somebody who quit the game years ago.

I guess with a leader that doesn't even know how Ad Homs work, this type of nonsense is to be expected from their membership.

Whether a nation is in VM or not isn't the deciding factor to if a person is worth responding to here, that has clearly been the case for this thread. What matters is the content of what they said, and what I said goes against Partisan's goals here.

If what I said was inaccurate, there would be something for you to gain by simply showing it to be false and knocking it out of the way. If it was accurate, there would be a point to it as well, if you could use your lies, fallacies, intimidation, and gaslighting to discredit it, you can then proceed with your goals in an effective way. I think the later is clearly the case here.

Please put atleast some level of thought into your next reply, you're making a fool of yourself. This is basic stuff Smith.

53 minutes ago, Smith said:

Spend your time on something more productive than writing a WoT for a game you don't play and that I'm not even going to read

It was pretty savage, I was more then a little happy with it, I think it's for the best really LOL. When you say publicly such derpy stuff, you should expect to get smacked. What works in the echo chamber doesn't always work so well outside :P


It does start to seem that TS and TKR rely on intimidation for their OWF FA. With all this blatant lying, fallacious logic, nosnense, and gas-lighting, it isn't a hard task for anyone to crush it. I suppose it does suck for you guys when there is someone whom cant give less of a frick about the strength of your 2 alliances when they argue with you LOL. With how crazy you guys are, replies to TKR/TS will often have to be harsh if they are honest and accurate, and that may make some people think twice heh

Though here you guys have simply proved my point about your awful culture and derpy, dishonest leaders :P

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9 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

I guess with a leader that doesn't even know how Ad Homs work, this type of nonsense is to be expected from their membership.

Whether a nation is in VM or not isn't the deciding factor to if a person is worth responding to here, that has clearly been the case for this thread. What matters is the content of what they said, and what I said goes against Partisan's goals here.

If what I said was inaccurate, there would be something for you to gain by simply showing it to be false and knocking it out of the way. If it was accurate, there would be a point to it as well, if you could use your lies, fallacies, intimidation, and gaslighting to discredit it, you can then proceed with your goals in an effective way. I think the later is clearly the case here.

Please put atleast some level of thought into your next reply, you're making a fool of yourself. This is basic stuff Smith.

It was pretty savage, I was more then a little happy with it, I think it's for the best really LOL. When you say publicly such derpy stuff, you should expect to get smacked. What works in the echo chamber doesn't always work so well outside :P


It does start to seem that TS and TKR rely on intimidation for their OWF FA. With all this blatant lying, fallacious logic, nosnense, and gas-lighting, it isn't a hard task for anyone to crush it. I suppose it does suck for you guys when there is someone whom cant give less of a frick about the strength of your 2 alliances when they argue with you LOL. With how crazy you guys are, replies to TKR/TS will often have to be harsh if they are honest and accurate, and that may make some people think twice heh

Though here you guys have simply proved my point about your awful culture and derpy, dishonest leaders :P

I did not read this either but as you wrote multiple paragraphs in response to my two sentences I suspect you did not take my advice. 

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13 hours ago, The God Emperor of Mankind said:

I guess with a leader that doesn't even know how Ad Homs work, this type of nonsense is to be expected from their membership.

Whether a nation is in VM or not isn't the deciding factor to if a person is worth responding to here, that has clearly been the case for this thread. What matters is the content of what they said, and what I said goes against Partisan's goals here.

If what I said was inaccurate, there would be something for you to gain by simply showing it to be false and knocking it out of the way. If it was accurate, there would be a point to it as well, if you could use your lies, fallacies, intimidation, and gaslighting to discredit it, you can then proceed with your goals in an effective way. I think the later is clearly the case here.

Please put atleast some level of thought into your next reply, you're making a fool of yourself. This is basic stuff Smith.

It was pretty savage, I was more then a little happy with it, I think it's for the best really LOL. When you say publicly such derpy stuff, you should expect to get smacked. What works in the echo chamber doesn't always work so well outside :P


It does start to seem that TS and TKR rely on intimidation for their OWF FA. With all this blatant lying, fallacious logic, nosnense, and gas-lighting, it isn't a hard task for anyone to crush it. I suppose it does suck for you guys when there is someone whom cant give less of a frick about the strength of your 2 alliances when they argue with you LOL. With how crazy you guys are, replies to TKR/TS will often have to be harsh if they are honest and accurate, and that may make some people think twice heh

Though here you guys have simply proved my point about your awful culture and derpy, dishonest leaders :P

 

4 hours ago, Smith said:

I did not read this either but as you wrote multiple paragraphs in response to my two sentences I suspect you did not take my advice. 

Run while you can smith! 

Partisan yelped as the life drained from his body.

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