[DoW]Planes go BRRRR

[Zed]

On 10/30/2020 at 9:05 PM, Azazel said:

Acknowledging the fact that Quack shows no signs of breaking and dismantling the hegemonic power they created, a kind of power they had both claimed to hate prior, Camelot has been put in a position where we feel we have no choice but to bring forth our Kingdom’s Complaints and Grievances.

 

Complaints and Grievances.

• Quack’s existence as a hegemonic power, showing no signs of relenting their stranglehold of the game's politics.

 

TL;DR: Once we fought with a hegemonic power, today we atone and unite against one

Really?

Honestly, I sat on this post for about 10 minutes, before just giving up on any further reply.
 

[Sisyphus]

I don't know how combining with an overwhelming force for a second time really counts as atonement but nice try though. 

At least you're relatively self-aware enough to know you need to atone, even if you have no idea how to effectively do it. 

[James II]

I know for a fact Quack turned down Fark, DB, and tCW because we didn't want to tmany treaties. So the whole CB is a little ironic considering it was mostly HM-Rose-Swamp sphere who were trying to consolidate a mega sphere.

[Mayor]

1 hour ago, James II said:

I know for a fact Quack turned down Fark, DB, and tCW because we didn't want to tmany treaties they are terrible. So the whole CB is a little ironic considering it was mostly HM-Rose-Swamp sphere who were trying to consolidate a mega sphere.

I mean you don't need to be nice at this point.

[HeroofTime55]

4 hours ago, Prefonteen said:

Can we take a moment to step away from arrgh and admire the hypocrisy of this DoW?

I feel it's gone under-noticed.

This DoW is going to be remembered for a long time for truly legendary levels of hypocrisy and unintentional irony.

[KingGhost]

Why are the dogs of IQ barking about a hegemony?

[Insert Name Here]

I do understand where Mayor is coming from, although it's am individual issue as Adrienne mentioned.

Back when I cared about this terrible game I still play somehow, there were a few things that bothered me, the main one being a few alliances always getting away with it and claiming moral superiority despite being what was called at the time (and rightly so) "world police".

After all it was a 2 year long hegemony and even tho pirates (I was one myself) make their income via raiding, TKR did try to roll Arrgh out of the game, which after months they realized wasn't possible.

Arrgh just play the game like they enjoy it, doing something that would obviously be deplorable in real life. In a browser game it's not immoral, I don't see all those FPS players for instance getting shat on by how immoral it is to murder pixel people.

And frnakly I find much more disgusting trying to claim some moral righteousness while playing the FA game like any other major alliance. Alliances aren't supposed to be nice, they're supposed to do what's best for them. That's what TKR did, and good for them.

However, the consistent dogpiles (and particularly relentless on pirates who were put on their perma-raid list) rubbed some people the wrong way, myself in particular since I didn't even dislike TKR, the community seemed chill and I really liked (actually still do) IC, who was a terrific leader as well.

Now I'm no saint, but TKR got cocky with their power, so much so that they started using Arrgh as their crash test dummies for military training. And I'm not judging. When I did care about the game, and for instance returned toi Arrgh, I was insta-raided by TKR. And while usually that flies, the insistence just pushed me to get them rolled back then.

And that's what I did: I brought Pre back to the game to reform TEst and, being the FA goat that he is, he managed to get Partisan and Roq to join forces in the coalition that resulted in TKR's 1st ever dogpile. Which the game desperately needed since they had a disgustingly big upper tier hegemony with the likes of Grumpy, TCW and Guardian, last 2 had signed an MD level treaty just days before the war, showing they had no intention of splitting up.

And while that hegemony was in no way as dangerous to the game as what IQ tried to pull off, it was stagnating it badly, which forced the rest of the game to join forces to drag the sphere down, as even tho we had way more members, a substantial part wasn't even able to hit them.

My point being: as long as you don't abuse game mechanics like IQ did by recruiting all those virgins who just wanted a body pillow of some anime grill, you're not better nor worse than any other alliance. All do what's best for them, but sometimes power and cockiness end up being the reason of a hegemony's downfall, which ins't the case here since t$ and TKR kept a low profile and were forward about their tie, which as I stated earlier is not how you create a hegemony today till the blob is big enough.

You're always gonna create a perception on the losers, for instance I thought Roz Wei was even more "wronged" than Arrgh since the latters do raid indiscriminately and Roz never did. And that's what matters at the end of the day - you win based on the choices you make, but sometimes there's consequences. Every alliance tries to do the best for them, and that's how it's supposed to be.

I think every alliance needs to get rolled once in a while, it shows who the good members and the fluff are, it improves the alliance and the mindset of the membership, who learns to respect the opponents when they lose as they know how it feels.

I'd like to add that obviously dogpiles aren't fun (I'd argue they're more fun, war mechanics wise, for the targets, while the rest get much less action). Infra is meant to be burned, which is why I'm a 29 city nation who's never gone over 2k infra per city.

I don't particularly like when alliances get punished relentlessly, which is why I actually dislike seeing TKR getting rolled again after so many losing wars. They've had their share, and in particular Adrienne was deal a fricking horrible hand while she led TKR, and the fact that she managed to keep the alliance together shows how good of a leader she was, kinda like Yui who was always dealing with crap at Pantheon.

Sorry for the essay. 

TLDR: losing / getting rolled once in a while makes an alliance better, there's no good and bad guys, every powerful alliance tries to succeed at all cost within game mechanics, every (not so recent) major alliance has been rolled, has dogpiled, and has created animosity. That's how it's supposed to be. Ideally we'd have balanced wars, but everyone tries to get as much help as possible, which is why main alliance mindset turns me off but at the same time I respect the work it takes to make them succeed.

PS: whoever is doing it, please stop trying to pretend an aggressive / defensive strike wasn't prepared for Quack. I know how coalition warfare works, the fact that counters were instant and organized (with alliance pairings perfectly allocated) shows there was collaboration prior, people should start owning up to their wars, In this case, it was "hit or be hit" for Quack. 

 

[Avatar Patrick]

@Insert Name Here Thank you for the honest and insightful assessment. I agree with you 100% on this and I applaud your willingness to say things that may not be completely in line with your sphere's narrative. It's a refreshing thing to see. 

[Eumirbago]

This is the sorry ass alliance that got their second in command, @Epi shook af by a random reroll that didn't even participate in the war he was clowning them on

 

I do applaud an entry to a dogpile with a positive Net 😄

[Buorhann]

On 11/2/2020 at 12:08 AM, Insert Name Here said:

PS: whoever is doing it, please stop trying to pretend an aggressive / defensive strike wasn't prepared for Quack. I know how coalition warfare works, the fact that counters were instant and organized (with alliance pairings perfectly allocated) shows there was collaboration prior, people should start owning up to their wars, In this case, it was "hit or be hit" for Quack. 

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the move forward in the game.  KETOGG leadership collaborated with Chaos leadership, that if anybody interfered in our war - we'd stop and immediately turn on the people who interfered, for example.  So I'm not surprised about sphere collaboration here.

Not really adding onto an argument here, just adding a perspective as the game moves forward.

[Adrienne]

18 hours ago, Buorhann said:

I wouldn't be surprised if this is the move forward in the game.  KETOGG leadership collaborated with Chaos leadership, that if anybody interfered in our war - we'd stop and immediately turn on the people who interfered, for example.  So I'm not surprised about sphere collaboration here.

Not really adding onto an argument here, just adding a perspective as the game moves forward.

Not before the war lol. That happened after the war started, when we kept hearing rumors that BK was looking to hit one or both of us while at war. That's worlds away from making a defensive pact before there is ever a war or making a coalition in advance, which is what INH is referring to.

[Shiho Nishizumi]

8 hours ago, Adrienne said:

Not before the war lol. That happened after the war started, when we kept hearing rumors that BK was looking to hit one or both of us while at war. That's worlds away from making a defensive pact before there is ever a war or making a coalition in advance, which is what INH is referring to.

I can confirm. As a matter of fact, Chaos was unwilling to hit either sphere w/KETOGG, and when asked about what if of one of the spheres hitting us, they had said something to the tune of "We'll weigh in the situation and then decide whether to assist or not." (for clarification's sake, this being before Surf's Up had started).

Which is actually far more in line with the spirit of minispheres (well, multispheres at this point), than the empty preaching thereof whilst simultaneously covertly engaging in practices which entirely undermine it's foundations which we've seen happen as of late.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Shiho Nishizumi
Mobile is wonky.

[Eumirbago]

Will my Gag Order stop me from telling everybody how shit this alliance will be after we roll the living frick out of them? @Akuryo @Epi @Azazel @King Arthur and whoever the frick

How about how shit it already is given its history?