We are here for the whales - t$ DoW

[Sval]

8 hours ago, zigbigadorlou said:

Let's see... you telegraphed your attack from a mile away, everyone knew to expect it, and even had time to scramble together the rest of the game against you. Who's got their pants down?

I can see you billowing limply in the wind. It's you. For the reasons I can only presume you deliberately straw-manned out of the quote.

We knew a coalition was being built against us. We knew an attack was coming. We pre-empted it.

That's why the war started when it did instead of mid November. It's also why half of your coalition has no CB.

[zigbigadorlou]

1 hour ago, Sval said:

I can see you billowing limply in the wind. It's you. For the reasons I can only presume you deliberately straw-manned out of the quote.

We knew a coalition was being built against us. We knew an attack was coming. We pre-empted it.

That's why the war started when it did instead of mid November. It's also why half of your coalition has no CB.

Everything I've read suggests the Rose connection was weak and tenuous at best...until you gave them opportunity for an easy win. Would a 3 sphere coalition roll you? Maybe eventually. That's assuming those ties strengthened. In the position you were in, you could strike and gain respect or fight it and become a hegemony. I think you made the right choice. 

I'm no gov member, so I speak for myself alone. Did Hedge and Swamp have a tie? We just led a successful campaign. We gained camaraderie. We were blood brothers. Of course there's a tie there. Its not like the previous "global" was that long ago. But Rose sphere? I look forward to the war pivoting to them. 

[Vein]

[Charles Bolivar]

14 hours ago, Eumirbago said:

First off, fricking @ me if you're gonna bring me up lmfao

Even with my activity at minimums to collect the fricking daily bonus, I'll always live in your heads

It's not my fricking fault your friends over at Camelot: @Epi @Azazel @King Arthur @Aero and whoever the frick are able to be shook by some random reroll that didn't even fricking participate in the last fricking wars

There are years and years of history on these forums with my fricking username on it showing that a gag order can't stop me from making a fool of you guys LMFAO

This is true. So true. Entirely true. Could be nothing but true 🤣

Also sup man. Long time!

9 hours ago, Sval said:

I can see you billowing limply in the wind. It's you. For the reasons I can only presume you deliberately straw-manned out of the quote.

We knew a coalition was being built against us. We knew an attack was coming. We pre-empted it.

That's why the war started when it did instead of mid November. It's also why half of your coalition has no CB.

Is it -3 or -5 stability for defending without a CB again? Apologies, I forget.

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

On 11/5/2020 at 1:11 PM, Darth Ataxia said:

It is GOB or whatever name we want, and GOB cannot correct anyone otherwise, ronny friend. 

I know that in your senile state it can be hard to remember, but we are here to help  

Term died when we defeated CoS, but they are welcome to try to enforce it again.

So don't forget its grumpy.

[Avakael]

On 11/2/2020 at 2:47 PM, Leopold von Habsburg said:

Yeah you really did think quite highly of yourself that day and grossly over-inflated your importance or influence within t$...just like another blowhard we all know and love who I have seen pop up in this topic earlier.

I hope you're not referring to me. You know damn well I wanted nothing to do with any leadership role after MI6.

[Adrienne]

14 hours ago, zigbigadorlou said:

I'm no gov member, so I speak for myself alone. Did Hedge and Swamp have a tie? We just led a successful campaign. We gained camaraderie. We were blood brothers. Of course there's a tie there. Its not like the previous "global" was that long ago. But Rose sphere? I look forward to the war pivoting to them. 

Blood brothers from a 10 day "war"...? 

Edited November 7, 2020 by Adrienne

[Sweeeeet Ronny D]

12 minutes ago, Adrienne said:

Blood brothers from a 10 day "war"...? 

Zig makes friends fast, what can you say?  Live Hard, Love Hard.

[Cooper_]

1 hour ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Live Hard, Love Hard.

For anything lasting longer than 4 hours, you should see your doctor.  

Edited November 7, 2020 by Cooper_

[Leopold von Habsburg]

2 hours ago, Avakael said:

I hope you're not referring to me. You know damn well I wanted nothing to do with any leadership role after MI6.

Naa I was referring to Buorhann haha 

[Prefonteen]

On 11/6/2020 at 1:40 AM, Dr James Wilson said:

You're a good dude.   I enjoyed our working together those months ago when things seemed extremely dire and were crazy and out of hand.   But lets get things straight.   I wasn't the biggest fan of how you initiated that conversation as if you had no idea what happened.   Furthermore, that episode was recorded and you're able to go back and listen to it and you will hear that I did not voice opposition or say that Quack is 'waaaaaaaaaaaay to large and scary' as you put it.   I simply inquired why not a single person in the game seemed to care that Quack had rapidly grown to surpassing the size of the next 2 sphere's combined and that even if all three combined against Quack it would be a toss up.   That's literally what I said.   You can go back and listen to it.   Further more, I told you flat out in our conversation that I found Quack's size concerning and you pled ignorance to how large quack had grown when I pointed it out.   It sure didn't feel like you were being forthcoming or were trying to play some game with me to keep from saying too much one way or the other.   That's how those things go.   But Partisan decided to whine to Tyrion about it instead of, asking me personally why I said those things, which was another interesting development in my opinion.   

 

Furthermore, earlier in this thread I pointed out how you guys did literally nothing to combat the narrative that had begun forming about Quack that quite literally everyone was aware of and as far as I'm concerned, Parti's response amounts to a 'we didn't want to put the effort in for that so we just accepted things how they are'.   That's a punt.

 

Finally, in regards to tCW.   We fought them, then we allied with them.   Those things happen, quite often if I'm not mistaken.   It's no secret that Swamp lacks adequate nations where it really counts.   Y'all hype the nation count while conveniently ignoring how many of our nations are not in a range relevant to the rest of the game.  There were concerns aplenty but we decided to give it a go.   tCW is not Swamp proper.   But an attack on tCW is an attack on & and an attack on & is an attack on Swamp.   We don't have non-chaining clauses, we just do as we do.   You guys asked us to let you hit tCW.   We said no.   You did it anyway.   They frankly didn't have to be Swamp for it to matter.   You hit an & ally 2 hours after asking our permission to do so and being denied.   There keeps being talk about the relationship between Quack and Swamp prior to this, clearly it didn't mean much if you guys decided after we said 'don't attack our ally' to attack our ally.   What did you really expect to happen no matter what might have happened previously?

James, our personal contact has been limited since March. You, nor your concerns were on my or t$' radar until it was brought to me that you were apparently going off on some radio show. So I inquired with the leader of swamp (who was also my main TI contact) about TI's position. If that was a personal slight, then uhh...tough luck.

You keep stating that 'we did nothing to combat the narrative", but frankly, that's a blatant falsehood. It was t$ and TKR who initiated the conversation about being too big back when the t$-TKR-TI trifecta was leftover after last war. I recall vividly the conversations we had with Tyrion, trying to figure out what to do. It was TI's preference to remain aligned with TKR and t$, and it was TKR/t$ who demanded cuts to the sphere in order to not become a bloated blob. Not you. Ultimately we could not find enough common ground due to your (rather understandable) unwillingness to part with old allies. We respected your loyalty to them, and when you created swamp, we wished you the best of luck.

Why did you not show even a hint of the same concern for game health you pretend to have now? 

Similarly, Swamp was perfectly fine pretending quack was no problem to it in order to play up the supposed threat of rose with the hopes of t$-Rose going at it. You only joined the quack man bad chorus after you had grown your sphere, established ties with HM and hooked TCW.

So yes, we're sceptical of your convictions. Particularly after your ally has backstabbed us, and particularly after you have spent the better part of a year playing what appears to be a two-faced game with us. But surely we did no do enough to alleviate "your concerns".

 

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 Y'all hype the nation count while conveniently ignoring how many of our nations are not in a range relevant to the rest of the game.

We....aren't hyping nation count? Our assessments are literally based on nations per tier.

And yes, based on nations per tier ( @Theodosiusor @Cooper_ do you want to educate?), we are definitely not the hegemon you made us out to be.

Edited November 7, 2020 by Prefonteen

[HeroofTime55]

Swamp is still lying and pretending that they're the good guys?  Again, I ask, who are you trying to convince?  Us, or the rest of the world you organized to dogpile us?

[James T Kirk]

1 hour ago, HeroofTime55 said:

Swamp is still lying and pretending that they're the good guys?  Again, I ask, who are you trying to convince?  Us, or the rest of the world you organized to dogpile us?

I saw an in-game ad about duck hunting recently. This reminded me of another game: The Oregon Trail.

Now, I don't know why my brain kicked that little gem up at the sight of Duck Hunt, but it did. Remember how you had to use ammo and hunt for food while on your way to Oregon City, all while risking life and limb?

Well, I feel like that's what's happening here, too, friends. I immediately thought about those poor swampy, rose-y cheeked, and flush with hedge money folks out in the bush, trying to make it to the promised land, just a-shootin' their Oregon Trail shot. But in this case, you shoot like every animal you see out on the hunt, and you start feeling real good about yourself, only to soon realize that you're on your last rounds of ammo, the kids don't have anymore clothes, winter is setting in, and your supplies are running thin. 

Then you complain about the cycles of the seasons, the high prices of the supplies you need to trade for, and dang it--the food is running low, even though you got this huge haul on your first round of hunting....And you thought you were doing so well on that first round, too. 

But at the end of the day, you could have avoided all of this if only you'd planned better and actually thought about what you were doing. 

Me personally, I blame the parents...er, uh, I mean the high govs. Imagine misleading your membership like that. 

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Edited November 8, 2020 by James T Kirk

[Buorhann]

On 11/6/2020 at 11:55 PM, Leopold von Habsburg said:

Naa I was referring to Buorhann haha 

Your statement was in the middle of your reply to @Charles Bolivar, but it was in reference to me?  What?

EDIT:

Ah, I see how it's referenced now.  Cool story.  When you have invested as much as I've (And a few select others) have done, let me know.  You calling anyone else a blowhard is laughable.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Buorhann

[Prefonteen]

13 minutes ago, Buorhann said:

Your statement was in the middle of your reply to @Charles Bolivar, but it was in reference to me?  What?

EDIT:

Ah, I see how it's referenced now.  Cool story.  When you have invested as much as I've (And a few select others) have done, let me know.  You calling anyone else a blowhard is laughable.

What exactly have you done besides run your mouth?

 

EDIT: When you have invested as much as I've (and a select few others) have done, let me know. You calling anyone else a blowhard is laughable.

Edited November 8, 2020 by Prefonteen

[Micchan]

Still not enough quack in this thread

[HeroofTime55]

On 11/6/2020 at 9:33 AM, zigbigadorlou said:

Did Hedge and Swamp have a tie? We just led a successful campaign. We gained camaraderie. We were blood brothers. Of course there's a tie there. Its not like the previous "global" was that long ago. But Rose sphere? I look forward to the war pivoting to them.

Rose, looks like you're being put on notice.  Hmmm, almost like I suspected something like this would be the case.  Good luck!

 

[Eumirbago]

7 hours ago, Prefonteen said:

What exactly have you done besides run your mouth?

 

EDIT: When you have invested as much as I've (and a select few others) have done, let me know. You calling anyone else a blowhard is laughable.

 

7 hours ago, Buorhann said:

Your statement was in the middle of your reply to @Charles Bolivar, but it was in reference to me?  What?

EDIT:

Ah, I see how it's referenced now.  Cool story.  When you have invested as much as I've (And a few select others) have done, let me know.  You calling anyone else a blowhard is laughable.

Jokes on you guys, all I've ever done is run my mouth! 😌

[TRM]

8 hours ago, HeroofTime55 said:

Rose, looks like you're being put on notice.  Hmmm, almost like I suspected something like this would be the case.  Good luck!

 

Okay, Inst. 

[Buorhann]

20 hours ago, Prefonteen said:

What exactly have you done besides run your mouth?

 

EDIT: When you have invested as much as I've (and a select few others) have done, let me know. You calling anyone else a blowhard is laughable.

Well, for one, I honored my word when given to others.

For two, I didn’t participate in rolling the game’s community and ignoring/declining their surrenders.

Three, I never abandoned or gone afk on my alliance(s) and friends while in conflict.

Or were you referring to other, more concrete, achievements and involvements?

As someone whom I was also referencing given our time invested in this game, I’m surprised you would ask such a stupid question.

[Phoenyx]

18 hours ago, Micchan said:

Still not enough quack in this thread

 

Made me laugh :-p. I'm just a little guy in The Fighting Pacifists, an Alliance in SWAMP. Knights Radiant seems like a decent Alliance. I've found many of the Knights Radiant ads funny. I know Politics and War has a lot of war in it, but I'm personally in favour of diplomacy. So if you and others would help educate me as to how this all started and most importantly, how we can end this, would be appreciated. 

[Sir Scarfalot]

54 minutes ago, Buorhann said:

For two, I didn’t participate in rolling the game’s community and ignoring/declining their surrenders.

Hey hey hey now, Snek did neither of those either. They ducked out of their alliance to NPO when it became clear NPO was playing them false, which happened long before surrender talks even began if I'm not mistaken?

Sure they enabled, aided and abetted a monster in the form of IQ, and there's much for Snek to answer for on that front and arguably others, but Quacksphere ain't NPO and never has been.

Come on man, be fair about your criticisms.

[Prefonteen]

5 hours ago, Buorhann said:

Well, for one, I honored my word when given to others.

For two, I didn’t participate in rolling the game’s community and ignoring/declining their surrenders.

Three, I never abandoned or gone afk on my alliance(s) and friends while in conflict.

Or were you referring to other, more concrete, achievements and involvements?

As someone whom I was also referencing given our time invested in this game, I’m surprised you would ask such a stupid question.

These are all things you haven't done. So what have you done exactly? 

[Shiho Nishizumi]

4 hours ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

Hey hey hey now, Snek did neither of those either. They ducked out of their alliance to NPO when it became clear NPO was playing them false, which happened long before surrender talks even began if I'm not mistaken?

Months apart from each other, whether you count the feelers or the actual peace talks.

 

[Charles Bolivar]

5 hours ago, Sir Scarfalot said:

Hey hey hey now, Snek did neither of those either. They ducked out of their alliance to NPO when it became clear NPO was playing them false, which happened long before surrender talks even began if I'm not mistaken?

Sure they enabled, aided and abetted a monster in the form of IQ, and there's much for Snek to answer for on that front and arguably others, but Quacksphere ain't NPO and never has been.

Come on man, be fair about your criticisms.

Whilst tS did jump sides midway through the war when IQ became paranoid/worried/ ( insert whatever irrational thought suits you best), their failure to steadfastly stand by TKR earlier in the war when NPO approached tS in looking the other way whilst IQ subverted TKR's interests is a somewhat other matter. Granted the snake wasn't around much then by his own words and kayser was running the ship at that point in time does lend some form of ethical defence to partisan. What does concern me though if I remember my conversation with partisan correctly, is that when NPO did approach tS about looking the other way whilst NPO took direct/indirect action against TKR's immediate interests , instead of telling NPO where to go and ending the relationship/treaty, tS enabled IQ's war effort by attacking guardian and co. When I asked partisan why this occurred (granted he was not overly active within tS gov actions  then so his knowledge may be patchy), his response was, and I hope I remember this correctly but I believe I have the fair gist of it correct, " things were not good between TKR and tS at the time."  No doubt likely due to Kayser who conveniently assumes much of the blame for tS shenanigans last war.

So, in short , tS didn't immediately abandon IQ when it became clear what IQ was up to. But hey, it looks like tS and TKR patched things up so I suppose it doesn't matter 🤷‍♂️