Popular Post Changeup Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 Currently the only person who works closely with Alex and give advice on changes/updates (that I know of) is Prefontaine. My proposal is to extend that to a good-sized group of well-known and respected players who will give honest and constructive input on new changes to the game. This'll help with the issues of last update and controversy over recent rule changes and allow ordinary players from a variety of backgrounds to give their input directly to Alex before misguided new changes come out. stolen from @Vein 2 1 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krampus Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, Changeup said: good-sized group of well-known and respected players 🙃 Quote Inform Zigbir I have forgotten how to edit the signature field Please remind me how to do it post haste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Patrick Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 roxche should get 5 seats on the council Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changeup Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, Avatar Patrick said: roxche Camelot should get 5 seats on the council This is why we need downvotes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pascal Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 Can bet Alex will just ignore this as he always does 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changeup Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, Pascal said: Can bet Alex will just ignore this as he always does Probably but it's worth bringing up. If the council existed hopefully suggestions would be listened to a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Patrick Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Hopefully he does ignore it because it's a stupid idea. It would lead to tyranny by the majority. You're either part of the club or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danzek Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Agreed. Though it may be problematic if the council is just a bunch of alliance leaders trying to push their own agenda. Also, why is slot filling controversial now? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changeup Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, Borg said: Agreed. Though it may be problematic if the council is just a bunch of alliance leaders trying to push their own agenda. Also, why is slot filling controversial now? Avatar Patrick up there threw a hissyfit over a bounty, so Alex made a bunch of changes to stop people buying treasures and taking bounties. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kamala Khan Posted May 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Avatar Patrick said: Hopefully he does ignore it because it's a stupid idea. It would lead to tyranny by the majority. You're either part of the club or not. Would the majority opinion not be better than a bunch of changes that literally nobody aside from Alex wants? 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danzek Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MCMaster-095 said: Would the majority opinion not be better than a bunch of changes that literally nobody aside from Alex wants? For game development, informed decision making is usually better than design by committee, or design by the masses. Edited May 23, 2020 by Borg 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arawra Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Borg said: Informed decision making is usually better than design by committee, or design by the masses. Ideally, the council would be comprised of informed individuals acting in good faith, however, even as a precaution, it should include people from a variety of alliances/spheres, big and small. Edited May 23, 2020 by Hime-sama 6 Quote Look up to the sky above~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kamala Khan Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Just now, Borg said: For game development, informed decision making is usually better than design by committee, or design by the masses. Sadly, Alex’s decision making is far less informed than that of well informed players like Leopold, Valk, Thalmor, etc. Alex has an annoying habit of not thinking through any of the possible consequences of his updates when they happen, and then when said consequences occur that anyone could have predicted, he never admits his fault. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGhost Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Eh bad idea imo. People will push their personal agendas if given a special status. I’ve seen it happen in other games, heck I’m in a similar thing for a much bigger game and I see it happen in their NDAs as well, people manipulating what they decide to input to change the game. Maybe I’m just have a pessimistic outlook but I would rather have Alex make a post when he has a game changing update and having people post publically why it’s bad or good so everyone can counter it instead of it being in a closed council. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changeup Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Hime-sama said: Ideally, the council would be comprised of informed individuals acting in good faith, however, even as a precaution, it should include people from a variety of alliances/spheres, big and small. My idea was to have 5-6 people, and one from each major sphere of the game + piracy and raiding. Right now, the only person with this power is Prefontaine, and he does what @KingGhost fears much of the time. Only now, there would be five people from different city counts and alliances, preventing the agenda of only one group being pushed. Edited May 23, 2020 by Changeup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGhost Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Changeup said: My idea was to have 5-6 people, and one from each major sphere of the game + piracy and raiding. Right now, the only person with this power is Prefontaine, and he does what @KingGhost fears much of the time. Only now, there would be five people from different city counts and alliances, preventing the agenda of only one group being pushed. This is why I primarily think this is a bad idea. From personal experience what’s going to end up happening is each of the groups of people working together will argue with other groups in order to benefit themselves. It just turns into a shit show where people leak messages of what other people say etc etc. a committe sounds good on paper but good luck finding a group of people completely unbiased and won’t argue with each other over personal grudges. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Patrick Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 The thing is I don't even consider this to really be a rule change. Just a rule clarification. Alex agreed that making a deal for a bounty is slot filling which is already against the rules. You guys had a different interpretation but regardless, this update would bypass the committee or public debate because it's not actually a change to the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightside Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 No. This will only cause problems 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear ArcticExplorer Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 I do think that this will be a good idea if the right people are on it. The people on the Council must be non-bias. People who care for both alliance leaders and members. Raiders and farmers. Whales and fish. Major alliances and micros. The people on the council must have publicly shown their non-bias beliefs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar Patrick Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, Polar Bear ArcticExplorer said: I do think that this will be a good idea if the right people are on it. The people on the Council must be non-bias. People who care for both alliance leaders and members. Raiders and farmers. Whales and fish. Major alliances and micros. The people on the council must have publicly shown their non-bias beliefs. That's nobody though. Everyone has their own vision for what the game should be and why they play it . Even bankers who are officially neutral (and have no ties to any sphere) have a bias in favor of markets and against raiders. The only people you could truly argue are neutral are those like Alex who don't really play the game at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Polar Bear ArcticExplorer Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) Quote That's nobody though. Everyone has their own vision for what the game should be and why they play it . Even bankers who are officially neutral (and have no ties to any sphere) have a bias in favor of markets and against raiders. The only people you could truly argue are neutral are those like Alex who don't really play the game at all. Well, I would consider myself non-bias. I am a banker, but at the same time, I love raiders. I think they are an important part of game culture. In fact, I would be more than happy to serve on such a council. Edited May 24, 2020 by Polar Bear ArcticExplorer Arctic Added On Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kastor Posted May 24, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 24, 2020 I have a wayyyy better idea that doesn't involve taking away any autonomy from @Alex and stops the "insiders" from getting an unfair advantage(for instance, someone told me about the changes a day before, while all the info wasn't there, enough was, and this, and others were able to plan for bits and pieces of it. That isn't fair for the average player.) Solution: Put a 14 day hold on any changes, the announcement comes out, but changes don't start for 14 days, this is to allow player input and insight, and also prohibit unfair advantages from the insiders who help with these changes. That is a fair, tolerable solution that everyone can walk away happy with. 1 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lury Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Kastor said: I have a wayyyy better idea that doesn't involve taking away any autonomy from @Alex and stops the "insiders" from getting an unfair advantage(for instance, someone told me about the changes a day before, while all the info wasn't there, enough was, and this, and others were able to plan for bits and pieces of it. That isn't fair for the average player.) Solution: Put a 14 day hold on any changes, the announcement comes out, but changes don't start for 14 days, this is to allow player input and insight, and also prohibit unfair advantages from the insiders who help with these changes. That is a fair, tolerable solution that everyone can walk away happy with. that's a good idea.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majima Goro Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 Can this be the UN? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtc justice Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 17 hours ago, Borg said: Agreed. Though it may be problematic if the council is just a bunch of alliance leaders trying to push their own agenda. Also, why is slot filling controversial now? Slot filling has never been accepted, he just expanded what is considered slot filling that's all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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