Popular Post Buck Turgidson Posted April 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2020 The winning formula that served us well for 3 years is ended. 10 days ago, @cctmsp13 seized power in a unilateral re-interpretation of what his title meant, and demoted me for an action I did not have a chance to take. I have tried for the last week or so to explain my position, and find common ground. Let me explain the facts surrounding this betrayal: 1- @Prefontaine go upset because I placed an offer on the market that was below his. I have been very public in the past about believing in the free-market, and saw nothing wrong with it. Apparently he did, and it is not the first time we have had this discussion - I am not a price fixer, period, and he is free to collude with whomever he wants. 2- Since I had been regularly listing and relisting sales, I did not see it as undercutting him in any case. I was defending an earlier post. He insisted that I was lying and produced no proof, so I asked for an apology. Yarr had always been about credibility, and impugning the credibility of a fellow member has never been acceptable. Only 2 months earlier, I had broken up a similar fight between him and @Seb that almost escalated top that level (calling each other BSers...etc). This kind of refereeing is needed at times. 3- Pre refused to apologise because he is a small person, and will not be held to account for insulting his shipmates. I communicated to him that there would be consequences if he did not apologise. - He replied by threatening to leave if I was upset or needed an apology. Since he made such threats on a regular basis, I called his bluff. First, I asked another member of gov't for his balance. I sent him his deposit with Yarr, then asked again if he would apologise. He again threatened to leave, so I prepared to kick him. I had the absolute right to kick anyone at my discretion as it has been our standard practice since founding: the Landlubbers were equals, in sacrosanct, inviolable positions, who did not overwrite each others' decisions. They have been sequentially appealed before, but the only thing we ever agreed on needing a unanimous vote on was bringing new members on board. 4- Instead, as I went to kick Pre, I noticed that CCT had seized power, demoting me and removing the authority I had since I founded Yarr with Ripper's gentle push after a year of talk about it while at Arrgh long ago. I was prevented from doing the act that would have justified my demotion. 5- It took me a few days to get down to the real concern, all the while demoted. @Bluebearexplained the distinction between kicking and letting Pre leave, and once I understood it that way, I conceded. I should have let Pre have a few days to find a new home and let him leave. I had confused my promise of consequences with his offer to leave, and rushed to it. For that, I made the mea culpa clear, and apologised on our alliance forum. I then asked if all would be willing to listen to reconciliation plan that would be fair to all: for this I was trolled and further insulted, even though this would obviate the need for an apology from the little man. 6- In parallel, I had proposed to cct that he restore me and only then table the question of authority he wanted (a majority agreement on kicking people). To be clear, until this point, we have never really disagreed on anything, and the Landlubbers were equal. Since demoting me, CCT kept trying to assert that he was the leaders of the alliance, and assumed powers that no one ever granted him. I have nothing against democracy at all - many people will attest to this, but I groaned at having cct seize power and make agreement on anything a condition of my restoration. So, I proposed that HE restore me to the 'alliance leader' role and demote himself, since: a) I had already stepped down from the role, and did not want it. b) We were going to define what powers Leader and Heirs would have, so it would be a fitting display of trust to put me in that role while that was worked out. It was to be a display to restore trust and show that were would continue to work together. He ignored these suggestions and continued to simply insist that he was in charge and I would have to accept it. c) We always said that the one thing you can do to disqualify yourself for leadership at Yarr was to do something. @cctmsp13did something. I was genuinely concerned about his rash move, clearly not thought out, or the alternative explanation, which is that he was plotting to do this for sometime. I am afraid to report that there is more data on the latter case, as he has been reminding people that HE was leader of Yarr in a number of strange and out of place moments. To be fair, I should have challenged him on that and reminded him of the terms I sent him and @im317when they joined Yarr. d) I have never said no to any new initiative - want to write a constitution, sure. No problem. Want to formalise democracy, no problem. - This is where things really got out of hand. While I resented the demotion, I forgave it on the basis that it evened out the error I would have made in kicking Pre on the spot. Like I said, we have never had any disagreement. Neither @cctmsp13 nor @im317 had ever made the smallest peep about wanting a say in kicking anyone (not that I have kicked much, I put up with @Frezasan for years ffs (love ya buddy). After all of this, which took about 1 week, cct still sat on my restoration for another 2 days. When I got up this morning, I saw no reconciliation, nor even the slightest response when I asked if a proposal would be heard, and cct had restored me to my old position, which was not even coming 1/10th of the way to reconciliation after what I had been put through. So I left Yarr 1116 days after I started it, during which time it became the most stable and credible bank on Orbis and rose steadily. I prefer the company of equals, and bear no ill will toward anyone. While I am upset at the betrayal, the move to Hell was ironically to discuss steps forward with @cctmsp13as an equal, which has been denied to me for the last week and a half. I have maintained the Discord server, though curtailed their permissions now that they copied it, and left the bank intact as I am not a thief and never have been. This is the extent to which I will go to protect my good name and work only with people I can trust. Born in Arrgh, retired in Yarr, dead in Hell. Si vales, valeo. 4 4 Are you originally from Earth, too? Proud owner of Harry's goat. It's mine now. I now own MinesomeMC's goat, too. It's starting to look like a herd. Yep, it is a herd. Aldwulf has added his goat, too, and it ain't Irish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frezasan Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 answer on discord 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Didn't bother reading Buck's post because I'm sure it covered what was ranted at length. What I can tell you is that Buck has routinely been wrong either through personal ignorance or lies.When an alliance you help found won't stand beside you in a disagreement you might want to reevaluate your stance. The simple truth of the matter is Buck over-reacted of being poked fun at. When offered the option to move on he doubled, tripled, quadrupled down. Now that he's gone from his alliance, removed from the discord, he comes to cry publicly. Here's a summary of the events. VIDEO IS NSFW DUE TO LANGUAGE 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elijah Mikaelson Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Just now, Prefontaine said: Didn't bother reading Buck's post because I'm sure it covered what was ranted at length. What I can tell you is that Buck has routinely been wrong either through personal ignorance or lies.When an alliance you help found won't stand beside you in a disagreement you might want to reevaluate your stance. The simple truth of the matter is Buck over-reacted of being poked fun at. When offered the option to move on he doubled, tripled, quadrupled down. Now that he's gone from his alliance, removed from the discord, he comes to cry publicly. Here's a summary of the events. VIDEO IS NSFW DUE TO LANGUAGE When you leak Alex's plans for projects to said alliance so they can benefit via the market why would they kick you? you are making the members rich by letting them know what RRS to buy up before Alex pushing though new projects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frezasan Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Prefontaine said: Didn't bother reading Buck's post because I'm sure it covered what was ranted at length. What I can tell you is that Buck has routinely been wrong either through personal ignorance or lies.When an alliance you help found won't stand beside you in a disagreement you might want to reevaluate your stance. The simple truth of the matter is Buck over-reacted of being poked fun at. When offered the option to move on he doubled, tripled, quadrupled down. Now that he's gone from his alliance, removed from the discord, he comes to cry publicly. Here's a summary of the events. VIDEO IS NSFW DUE TO LANGUAGE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TribemanStalin Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 micro drama ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DragonK Posted April 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, TribemanStalin said: micro drama ? What do you mean "micro drama". Some of oldest players in this game, and some of biggest players this game has seen are going at each other. This shit is more important than your whole alliance I've never even heard off. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Potato Posted April 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, TribemanStalin said: micro drama ? Says the one in "The Roxchean Confederations", an alliance that is 30 days old. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frezasan Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, TribemanStalin said: micro drama ? ikr smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TribemanStalin Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, Potpie99 said: Says the one in "The Roxchean Confederations", an alliance that is 30 days old. Roxchean who? lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumb Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Friendship kept with Morningstar, now Morningstar is still my best friend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arawra Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Can we get a tldr? 3 Look up to the sky above~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dryad Posted April 19, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 19, 2020 17 minutes ago, DragonK said: What do you mean "micro drama". Some of oldest players in this game, and some of biggest players this game has seen are going at each other. This shit is more important than your whole alliance I've never even heard off. People getting mad over undercutting looks irrelevant af to me at least lmao. Sure Prefontaine and Yarr as a major offshore bank may not be irrelevant but Buck leaving them certainly is and I'm sure Yarr themselfes don't care much about the loss of Buck. Also lol at thinking being an old player makes you relevant. 3 1 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua-Corpsman Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hime-sama said: Can we get a tldr? I second this. I have no goddamn clue what is happening. To whom it may concern, I do not represent The Immortals unless explicitly stated (ergo, never.)<--- I hardly use the forums anymore, add me on discord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pascal Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Congratulations to all parties involved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kongo Jack Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Go Team, Go! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lossi Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 24 minutes ago, Hime-sama said: Can we get a tldr? Pixel huggers gotta hug it out. 2 Quote Former leader of Chocolate Castle 4/1/2021 "It's pretty easy to get abused by Rosey without being a weirdo about it" - Betilius "Rosey is everything I look for in a fighter" - partisan "I’m very much not surprised that Lossi has you blocked tbh" - @MCMaster-095 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Congratulations. I give this: What the Actual frick Did I Just Read ____________________________________ 10 Glad that even the oldest of players are still trifling with the oldest of issues. 1 A game dies without a community. Don't hate on the communities trying to grow. Eat them instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Changeup Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Is this really worth a 1200 word forums post? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frezasan Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Changeup said: Is this really worth a 1200 word forums post? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keza Purple Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, DragonK said: What do you mean "micro drama". Some of oldest players in this game, and some of biggest players this game has seen are going at each other. This shit is more important than your whole alliance I've never even heard off. bby come back 1 <Dragonk>Like I drink beer, nto it "You couldn't live with your own failure. Where did that bring you? Back to me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katashimon13 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 yall are supposed to be a retirement home ? get with the program rawr 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 Tbh this is great to see, good luck to everyone. o/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unknown Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Prefontaine said: Didn't bother reading Buck's post because I'm sure it covered what was ranted at length. What I can tell you is that Buck has routinely been wrong either through personal ignorance or lies.When an alliance you help found won't stand beside you in a disagreement you might want to reevaluate your stance. The simple truth of the matter is Buck over-reacted of being poked fun at. When offered the option to move on he doubled, tripled, quadrupled down. Now that he's gone from his alliance, removed from the discord, he comes to cry publicly. Here's a summary of the events. VIDEO IS NSFW DUE TO LANGUAGE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonK Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Hime-sama said: Can we get a tldr? Nope. You can only get walls of text. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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