Popular Post Pubstomper Posted February 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2020 I've been playing this game for a long time, a very long time - the entirety of my adulthood. I've seen many people and political webs come and go. In light of recent events I can't help but disagree with all the folks saying the game is going to die from this. In fact, I actually think it's going to head the opposite way. The best example I've seen made for this argument was one of Prefontaine explaining that these alliances disbanding might end up fine for the game due to pushing members with ambitions to do great things going on to pursue their ambitions. He pointed out that when he departed TEst they essentially vanished as the TEst we knew but out of it came Knights Templar and others came from the ashes of it. The coming months are going to be rich with opportunity for anyone who wants to get their name out their and give the realpolitik a go. I absolutely implore you to chase your ambitions, nearly none of the large alliances around want anything to do with committing to a new war, there will be tons of people looking for new long term homes, and the whole treaty web is due to have a shake up with alliances being just removed from it. I think a good handful of us are looking forward to see where things go from here, cheers to all. 7 1 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thalmor Posted February 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2020 It was fearmongering when Coal A whined about the game dying, and it's fearmongering when Coal B whined about the game dying. The way Coal B alliances conducted themselves IC-wise was very stagnating in a lot of ways. I think Coal A people were a lot more committed to fun and I think now that the most severe people and groups are gone, things can definitely get a lot more exciting now. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vali Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 The best times have been when no one knows whats gonna happen next. Hopefully players are brave enough to do the unexpected and push the boundaries on what is possible. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anneal Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 People have been saying the game has been dying for years now – at this point, most people who have some degree of rationality just learn to tune the fearmongering out. I miss BK and what it used to be, and nor do I support disbanding alliances or forcing other alliances to disband, but at the same time with this shakeup we can finally turn a new chapter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokia Rokia Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 This post made my night and I agree fully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Exar Kun -George Posted February 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, Pubstomper said: I've been playing this game for a long time, a very long time - the entirety of my adulthood. I've seen many people and political webs come and go. In light of recent events I can't help but disagree with all the folks saying the game is going to die from this. In fact, I actually think it's going to head the opposite way. The best example I've seen made for this argument was one of Prefontaine explaining that these alliances disbanding might end up fine for the game due to pushing members with ambitions to do great things going on to pursue their ambitions. He pointed out that when he departed TEst they essentially vanished as the TEst we knew but out of it came Knights Templar and others came from the ashes of it. The coming months are going to be rich with opportunity for anyone who wants to get their name out their and give the realpolitik a go. I absolutely implore you to chase your ambitions, nearly none of the large alliances around want anything to do with committing to a new war, there will be tons of people looking for new long term homes, and the whole treaty web is due to have a shake up with alliances being just removed from it. I think a good handful of us are looking forward to see where things go from here, cheers to all. Well between my 2 (from separate times, to clarify for people) accounts ive been playing for around 4-5 years. I would 100% agree with you however a few things must take place 1. Its time to let go of the hatred everyone has for players or alliances alike, I believe this is a great time to hit reset 2. Lets actually give mini spheres a go, I hope everyone out there, leaders and FA alike consider this a option. In my ideal world no alliance in the top 5 would sign each other and limit themselves to 1 other top 10 alliance. To many treaties causes a cluserfrick and breeds paranoia and paranoia breeds toxicity and a unhealthy player behavior 3. Lets try to sign new people and help grow others, I think its the perfect time for larger alliances to take a active role in their prots. Lets encourage growth not try to force it away 4. I encourage EVERY alliance to send diplomats everywhere, I firmly believe if I were to have known for example some TKR dudes better, the narratives of others would have been harder to take place. With that i think all alliances should do open embassies as well, to allow player base to interact with other alliances. Sure a person may be poached once a while, but in the end if they found a better suited home and pay back their grants, its a overall win for that player and a short term loss for the alliance. I know im sort of a middle person, some like me and some hate me, however I myself am putting all my grudges and dislikes aside and hoping others follow suit. I know some may think its "easy" for me, however I was a member of BK for nearly 2 years (and IQ for nearly 3), its essentially in my blood to dislike TKR ect, so its a challenge. Im not asking anyone to "forgive" me or anyone else for that matter, however please try to set grudges and dislikes aside AKA let them go. I believe if most of us do this, we can help rebuild Orbis to a more friendly, welcoming environment and weed out the majority of our OOC issues. Lets keep the politics as politics and not personal opinions. Edited February 12, 2020 by George 5 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiWilliam Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Idea of the day: "Self fulfilling prophecy". In life as in pnw, a healthy dose of moderation is fine, but we should also seek out what we find to be fun considering this is a game. Games can help or hurt you. Nothing that happens here should be so bad that you can't walk away with your health, but we should endeavor to enjoy our time here so well that it was time well spent. Here's to a productive and fun year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 4 hours ago, Epi said: The game rests in the hands of the few again. We'll see how they decide to handle things. We can only hope it's interesting and positive. Hearing a lot of good things thus far. Please just give the "elite whale overlords 1%" thing a rest. It's been debunked so often and in so many ways, you're beating a dead horse and alienating Camelot in the process. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraggle Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 6 hours ago, Epi said: The game rests in the hands of the few again. We'll see how they decide to handle things. We can only hope it's interesting and positive. Hearing a lot of good things thus far. You're in good hands with your new Fraggle overlords. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevanovia Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, George said: Well between my 2 (from separate times, to clarify for people) accounts ive been playing for around 4-5 years. I would 100% agree with you however a few things must take place 1. Its time to let go of the hatred everyone has for players or alliances alike, I believe this is a great time to hit reset 2. Lets actually give mini spheres a go, I hope everyone out there, leaders and FA alike consider this a option. In my ideal world no alliance in the top 5 would sign each other and limit themselves to 1 other top 10 alliance. To many treaties causes a cluserfrick and breeds paranoia and paranoia breeds toxicity and a unhealthy player behavior 3. Lets try to sign new people and help grow others, I think its the perfect time for larger alliances to take a active role in their prots. Lets encourage growth not try to force it away 4. I encourage EVERY alliance to send diplomats everywhere, I firmly believe if I were to have known for example some TKR dudes better, the narratives of others would have been harder to take place. With that i think all alliances should do open embassies as well, to allow player base to interact with other alliances. Sure a person may be poached once a while, but in the end if they found a better suited home and pay back their grants, its a overall win for that player and a short term loss for the alliance. I know im sort of a middle person, some like me and some hate me, however I myself am putting all my grudges and dislikes aside and hoping others follow suit. I know some may think its "easy" for me, however I was a member of BK for nearly 2 years (and IQ for nearly 3), its essentially in my blood to dislike TKR ect, so its a challenge. Im not asking anyone to "forgive" me or anyone else for that matter, however please try to set grudges and dislikes aside AKA let them go. I believe if most of us do this, we can help rebuild Orbis to a more friendly, welcoming environment and weed out the majority of our OOC issues. Lets keep the politics as politics and not personal opinions. This is a good post 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexio15 Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, George said: Well between my 2 (from separate times, to clarify for people) accounts ive been playing for around 4-5 years. I would 100% agree with you however a few things must take place 1. Its time to let go of the hatred everyone has for players or alliances alike, I believe this is a great time to hit reset 2. Lets actually give mini spheres a go, I hope everyone out there, leaders and FA alike consider this a option. In my ideal world no alliance in the top 5 would sign each other and limit themselves to 1 other top 10 alliance. To many treaties causes a cluserfrick and breeds paranoia and paranoia breeds toxicity and a unhealthy player behavior 3. Lets try to sign new people and help grow others, I think its the perfect time for larger alliances to take a active role in their prots. Lets encourage growth not try to force it away 4. I encourage EVERY alliance to send diplomats everywhere, I firmly believe if I were to have known for example some TKR dudes better, the narratives of others would have been harder to take place. With that i think all alliances should do open embassies as well, to allow player base to interact with other alliances. Sure a person may be poached once a while, but in the end if they found a better suited home and pay back their grants, its a overall win for that player and a short term loss for the alliance. I know im sort of a middle person, some like me and some hate me, however I myself am putting all my grudges and dislikes aside and hoping others follow suit. I know some may think its "easy" for me, however I was a member of BK for nearly 2 years (and IQ for nearly 3), its essentially in my blood to dislike TKR ect, so its a challenge. Im not asking anyone to "forgive" me or anyone else for that matter, however please try to set grudges and dislikes aside AKA let them go. I believe if most of us do this, we can help rebuild Orbis to a more friendly, welcoming environment and weed out the majority of our OOC issues. Lets keep the politics as politics and not personal opinions. Can't help but say I agree with this, it's a good post and stance to have 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arawra Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 Micros rise up! 1 Quote Look up to the sky above~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 I think we should all make a firm commitment to ensuring our rivals have as unenjoyable experience playing this game as possible. On a serious note though, I believe it's every major alliance's responsibility to reinvest on the community by supporting and teaching new alliances how to grow and get involved in the game. If we all have that mindset we will naturally see different and varied spheres of influence mixing things up and cultivate a longterm experience for new players and old players alike. That's why the Syndicate has almost always believed in SyndiCare and invested a lot of its time into guiding its protectorates. I'm not sure we'll get back to minispheres in a hurry, but it would be good to cultivate as many diverse and interesting communities as we can. Alliance rank 10-50 has a lot of potential to swing coalitions and really make things interesting if you let them. 1 2 Quote One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exar Kun -George Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 13 minutes ago, Sisyphus said: I'm not sure we'll get back to minispheres in a hurry, but it would be good to cultivate as many diverse and interesting communities as we can. Alliance rank 10-50 has a lot of potential to swing coalitions and really make things interesting if you let them. While I can see the concern with going to mini spheres, the issue I see is the same as this time. If this opportunity is blown, it won’t be possible for quite some time, the annoying truth is if we move to bipolarity, moving away is 100x harder. People hate giving up a major power lead, the simple fact in my opinion and based it off other games and the events of this game, if we keep bipolarity, the chances of mini spheres just won’t happen, someone will gain to much power and won’t want to give it up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 We are trying to drop SK but every time they leak our plan 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, George said: Well between my 2 (from separate times, to clarify for people) accounts ive been playing for around 4-5 years. I would 100% agree with you however a few things must take place 1. Its time to let go of the hatred everyone has for players or alliances alike, I believe this is a great time to hit reset 2. Lets actually give mini spheres a go, I hope everyone out there, leaders and FA alike consider this a option. In my ideal world no alliance in the top 5 would sign each other and limit themselves to 1 other top 10 alliance. To many treaties causes a cluserfrick and breeds paranoia and paranoia breeds toxicity and a unhealthy player behavior 3. Lets try to sign new people and help grow others, I think its the perfect time for larger alliances to take a active role in their prots. Lets encourage growth not try to force it away 4. I encourage EVERY alliance to send diplomats everywhere, I firmly believe if I were to have known for example some TKR dudes better, the narratives of others would have been harder to take place. With that i think all alliances should do open embassies as well, to allow player base to interact with other alliances. Sure a person may be poached once a while, but in the end if they found a better suited home and pay back their grants, its a overall win for that player and a short term loss for the alliance. I know im sort of a middle person, some like me and some hate me, however I myself am putting all my grudges and dislikes aside and hoping others follow suit. I know some may think its "easy" for me, however I was a member of BK for nearly 2 years (and IQ for nearly 3), its essentially in my blood to dislike TKR ect, so its a challenge. Im not asking anyone to "forgive" me or anyone else for that matter, however please try to set grudges and dislikes aside AKA let them go. I believe if most of us do this, we can help rebuild Orbis to a more friendly, welcoming environment and weed out the majority of our OOC issues. Lets keep the politics as politics and not personal opinions. 2 hours ago, George said: While I can see the concern with going to mini spheres, the issue I see is the same as this time. If this opportunity is blown, it won’t be possible for quite some time, the annoying truth is if we move to bipolarity, moving away is 100x harder. People hate giving up a major power lead, the simple fact in my opinion and based it off other games and the events of this game, if we keep bipolarity, the chances of mini spheres just won’t happen, someone will gain to much power and won’t want to give it up I'm hesitant to bring in examples from other games when we have examples from this game which disprove the notion that all alliances are inherently unwilling to blow power leads. Syndicate left Syndisphere 1 at its peak. TKR self-imploded its FA in search of a dynamism. BK left and signed with NPO, blowing up the dominant old post-syndicate syndisphere. The premise of your post is ideologically sound. A lot of points you make are already aligned with general Syndicate FA policy. While we are open to entertaining all options, I want to note that we are too early. The New Pacific Order remains the #1 alliance in the game and has vowed to drag this war out as long as it can. While we are hopeful for the future, The $yndicate has no illusions about the nature and possible length of this war, and therefore can not make any significant alterations to its FA plans until this is dealt with. With that said, once the dust settles we will evaluate our position within Orbis along with our allies, and decide by consensus what ideological path to pursue. At any rate: There will be change post-NPO, if only by the removal of a set of actors which rebounded back into the same bipolarity over and over. Edited February 12, 2020 by Prefonteen 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sisyphus Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 2 hours ago, George said: While I can see the concern with going to mini spheres, the issue I see is the same as this time. If this opportunity is blown, it won’t be possible for quite some time, the annoying truth is if we move to bipolarity, moving away is 100x harder. People hate giving up a major power lead, the simple fact in my opinion and based it off other games and the events of this game, if we keep bipolarity, the chances of mini spheres just won’t happen, someone will gain to much power and won’t want to give it up I think you misunderstood me. It's not about asserting bipolarity or maintaining a huge power center so much as it's about all of the major powers putting the time and work into building enough independent and resilient communities in the game to make bipolarity near-impossible to establish. Minispheres will naturally occur over time if we invest in new players and communities. Sidenote: It should be a lot easier to maintain a more varied and complex dynamic now that the main alliances determined to force bipolarity as their core strategy have been defeated and/or disbanded though. We can work on both aspects in tandem. 2 Quote One must imagine Sisyphus happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Epi Posted February 12, 2020 Share Posted February 12, 2020 (edited) 1 Edited February 18, 2021 by Epi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eumirbago Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Onward to 5 years of dominance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefontaine Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 2/12/2020 at 4:30 PM, Epi said: Didn't mean that. Just meant the number of relevant alliances and their respective FA people have dropped. Well, I guess it's time to announce my return to the political arena. Never-mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Prefontaine said: Well, I guess it's time to announce my return to the political arena. Never-mind. My cue to retire! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sval Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Let's just be a community again. 1 1 Quote <~Sval[OWR]> I am your father.<+Curufinwe> Can confirm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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