Popular Post OsRavan Posted February 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 6, 2020 ODN Announcement While I recognize we are pretty small fries in these global politics, ive had a lot of folks messaging me asking us what we are doing, offering peace (fair terms i'll grant), asking us for our thoughts, etc. So it seemed fitting to sum it up and clarify our position. First, no we are not removing ourselves from PW or the PW community, though we respect the decision of those who are. Second we do *disagree* with Alex's decision. I just spent a few hours reviewing everything relevant to it, and I think he came to the wrong conclusion for the wrong reasons. And that he has treated NPO unfairly. I won't belabor it here (that argument seems to have happened ad-nasseum along political lines already). If you're interested on why I feel the way I do, feel free to hit me up on discord. Third and most importantly. We are not accepting any peace offers at this time. ODN doesn't really play the safe politics game. As those who know us best could attest, we operate on a strict code of honor and a set of principles. They are our personal code, and we make no claims others should act as we do. But we also try to stay TRUE to that code. More than anything else, no matter what, we back our friends and we adhere to those principles. Its why we've fought a rather boring war for nine months and would have fought it for another nine. Because our friends and that personal code are what matters to us. We didn't enter this war to 'get' any of the enemy. We don't really know half of you, despite slugging this out for like nine months. We certainly don't have any animosity for most of you. It's been fun fighting you on the field of battle. A lot of you are very skilled opponents. I've been very impressed with your coordination on us, and with one or two exceptions you have mostly been polite and honorable opponents. Which is also why we have been largely indifferent to the peace talks, if im being honest. Mostly because... we didn't care other about the peace and we wanted (and want) nothing from it other then that NPO got what they wanted and... despite being on the other side... as much as possible Arrgh got what *they* wanted (go Arrgh!) We came in for our friends in NPO. They remain our friends. We are not naive to the change of fortunes that are occurring in the last 24 hours of this war. But if we were willing to help our friends in NPO when they were on top and things looked peachy (or at least stalematey), we would be the worst sort of knaves to abandon them for an easy exit because right now things look POOR. Especially considering the reasons for that poor situation. My only other hope is that someday we get to do the same for our other friends such as Arrgh (maybe some epic pirate shenanigans when this all finally ends). We are under no illusions that 1) we are anything but small fries compared to the big players on both sides. 2) That folks won't come down hard on us because of this situation. But you know what? Don't care. We have to be true to ourselves and what matters to us. TLDR: NPO... We have your back, brothers. Always. As long as you need us we are proud to fight alongside you no matter the odds. 6 2 1 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegoz Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I don't neccessarily agree but I respect your decision. Good luck going forward. 4 Quote [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: But Keegoz is actually bad. [11:52 PM] Prefontaine: He's my favorite bad leader though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artifex Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) You know what's crazy? This is the first time I've seen the leader of ODN post on the forums. Also... Come on man, just peace out. Edited February 6, 2020 by Malleator 1 Quote Love you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, OsRavan said: My only other hope is that someday we get to do the same for our other friends such as Arrgh (maybe some epic pirate shenanigans when this all finally ends). This won't get you in a No-Raiding List, but epic pirate shenanigans do sound interesting! Good luck with your wars. Have fun. Edited February 6, 2020 by Ripper 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micchan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Keegoz said: I don't neccessarily agree but I respect your decision. Good luck going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Etat Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Respect Quote Celer Et Audax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 8 minutes ago, Ripper said: This won't get you in a Non-Raiding List, but epic pirate shenanigans do sound interesting! Good luck with your wars. Have fun. Haha no worries. When we first formed our 'friendship' informally with blue we specifically stated that any help we gave each other would not preclude you raiding us! One of the reasons we like you all is your total lack of caring about conventions 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sri Lanka 001 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 WORLD PEACE WORLD PEACE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandystalin Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 ODN have always been genuinely classy. I might well message you about point 2, if I can be bothered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quichwe10 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I think I remember you guys doing this a few wars ago as well. While I do agree with Sheepy's ruling, props for ODN's willingness to stick it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kastor Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Classless, imo. just end it and go home. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roq Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Ripper said: This won't get you in a No-Raiding List, but epic pirate shenanigans do sound interesting! Good luck with your wars. Have fun. 49 minutes ago, Keegoz said: I don't neccessarily agree but I respect your decision. Good luck going forward. Normally I'd respect both of your opinions... But (OSRaven included) I feel like we're celebrating too early for ODN... Their last offensive war was 1-29-20 by a nation that is currently in GG&FU... A week without war isn't really helping your allies EDIT I checked and out of the last 30 offensive wars (or literally all of their offensive wars) literally none of them were from a current member or ODN... That's likely months without wars... Bit I'll tip my hat to you and your political moves... Edited February 6, 2020 by CitrusK 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 This is a bit of a mixed bag to me. Os, in any other situation I would have commended you for your loyalty. At this point however, your ally got caught cheating. Even discounting that, this war has dragged on in utter toxicity for over 7 months. White peace is on the table -for NPO too-. To continue this permagrudge of a war your ally in NPO seems intent on is to be a part of the problem. I hope you change your mind. Feel free to hit me up to discuss this war -be it with or without peace offer-. Until then, good luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsRavan Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, CitrusK said: Normally I'd respect both of your opinions... But (OSRaven included) I feel like we're celebrating too early for ODN... Their last offensive war was 1-29-20 by a nation that is currently in GG&FU... A week without war isn't really helping your allies... haha ohh its mostly been defensive on our parts i would say. If you all stop hitting us we'll probably switch to hitting you. I know on my part lately it has just been lobbing a TON of nukes in defensive wars. But kudos to you all, I think youve mostly been keeping our active guys occupied. like I said, i'm under no pretense that our actions are going to change the course of this conflict at all. And honestly no need to celebrate us I agree. As someone noted, I dont post a ton here, but i got like four or five discords since i woke up this morning so it seemed fitting to clarify our position. Hence this announcement. IMO think of this as a clarification and an explanation. Not something you need to approve or disapprove. It simply is. We'll do our thing and you all will do yours. Speaking personally, I tend to respect anyone that's doing what they genuinely think is right even if I disagree with that decision. Hence why ive no hard feelings for the other side even when I do disagree. 23 minutes ago, Prefonteen said: This is a bit of a mixed bag to me. Os, in any other situation I would have commended you for your loyalty. At this point however, your ally got caught cheating. Even discounting that, this war has dragged on in utter toxicity for over 7 months. White peace is on the table -for NPO too-. To continue this permagrudge of a war your ally in NPO seems intent on is to be a part of the problem. I hope you change your mind. Feel free to hit me up to discuss this war -be it with or without peace offer-. Until then, good luck. Hah. Fair enough. Im at work now but we can chat later tonight maybe (though might be a bit late cause i'm also celebrating my birthday and feeling like an old man). I can certainly sympathize with people who feel this war went on FOREVER. Whatever the reasons, I can't pretend ive not found it boring as heck. And if nothing else, Ive wanted arrgh out for ages (something is wrong when we don't have a free-raiding pirate alliance). I dont have much sway on the higher end of things, but yes I'd have preferred it ended ages ago and haven't made much secret of that. But yeah. That also isn't the most important factor to me. And again no offense if you disagree... as I said I dont think others need to adhere to *our* honor code. But to us, its precisely *because* of how this war has gone that we can't peace out. Perhaps part of it is our disagreement over Admins actions. But, as you said, put that aside. More then that, In my book its precisely when wars are boring, long, dragged out, or hopeless that you DONT peace out. Anyone can be loyal in the good times or quick and easy wars. Its the tough ones that show the mettle. We could come up with a bunch of excuses to leave, and the community here would be fine with it. And NPO are good enough friends im sure they would understand and have no hard feelings. But... we would still have left our allies in a moment of crisis. And then have to look at ourselves in the mirror. And i'm not comfortable with what I would see in said mirror. Until I can feel satisfied that we've done everything in our power to help our friends... we just can't leave. Even if all we can do is absorb some blows and lob some missiles. Edited February 6, 2020 by OsRavan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I agree, go Arrgh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Keegoz said: I don't neccessarily agree but I respect your decision. Good luck going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryleh Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 25 minutes ago, OsRavan said: haha ohh its mostly been defensive on our parts i would say. If you all stop hitting us we'll probably switch to hitting you. I know on my part lately it has just been lobbing a TON of nukes in defensive wars. But kudos to you all, I think youve mostly been keeping our active guys occupied. like I said, i'm under no pretense that our actions are going to change the course of this conflict at all. And honestly no need to celebrate us I agree. As someone noted, I dont post a ton here, but i got like four or five discords since i woke up this morning so it seemed fitting to clarify our position. Hence this announcement. IMO think of this as a clarification and an explanation. Not something you need to approve or disapprove. It simply is. We'll do our thing and you all will do yours. Speaking personally, I tend to respect anyone that's doing what they genuinely think is right even if I disagree with that decision. Hence why ive no hard feelings for the other side even when I do disagree. Hah. Fair enough. Im at work now but we can chat later tonight maybe (though might be a bit late cause i'm also celebrating my birthday and feeling like an old man). I can certainly sympathize with people who feel this war went on FOREVER. Whatever the reasons, I can't pretend ive not found it boring as heck. And if nothing else, Ive wanted arrgh out for ages (something is wrong when we don't have a free-raiding pirate alliance). I dont have much sway on the higher end of things, but yes I'd have preferred it ended ages ago and haven't made much secret of that. But yeah. That also isn't the most important factor to me. And again no offense if you disagree... as I said I dont think others need to adhere to *our* honor code. But to us, its precisely *because* of how this war has gone that we can't peace out. Perhaps part of it is our disagreement over Admins actions. But, as you said, put that aside. More then that, In my book its precisely when wars are boring, long, dragged out, or hopeless that you DONT peace out. Anyone can be loyal in the good times or quick and easy wars. Its the tough ones that show the mettle. We could come up with a bunch of excuses to leave, and the community here would be fine with it. And NPO are good enough friends im sure they would understand and have no hard feelings. But... we would still have left our allies in a moment of crisis. And then have to look at ourselves in the mirror. And i'm not comfortable with what I would see in said mirror. Until I can feel satisfied that we've done everything in our power to help our friends... we just can't leave. Even if all we can do is absorb some blows and lob some missiles. Happy birthday 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 23 minutes ago, OsRavan said: haha ohh its mostly been defensive on our parts i would say. If you all stop hitting us we'll probably switch to hitting you. I know on my part lately it has just been lobbing a TON of nukes in defensive wars. But kudos to you all, I think youve mostly been keeping our active guys occupied. like I said, i'm under no pretense that our actions are going to change the course of this conflict at all. And honestly no need to celebrate us I agree. As someone noted, I dont post a ton here, but i got like four or five discords since i woke up this morning so it seemed fitting to clarify our position. Hence this announcement. IMO think of this as a clarification and an explanation. Not something you need to approve or disapprove. It simply is. We'll do our thing and you all will do yours. Speaking personally, I tend to respect anyone that's doing what they genuinely think is right even if I disagree with that decision. Hence why ive no hard feelings for the other side even when I do disagree. Hah. Fair enough. Im at work now but we can chat later tonight maybe (though might be a bit late cause i'm also celebrating my birthday and feeling like an old man). I can certainly sympathize with people who feel this war went on FOREVER. Whatever the reasons, I can't pretend ive not found it boring as heck. And if nothing else, Ive wanted arrgh out for ages (something is wrong when we don't have a free-raiding pirate alliance). I dont have much sway on the higher end of things, but yes I'd have preferred it ended ages ago and haven't made much secret of that. But yeah. That also isn't the most important factor to me. And again no offense if you disagree... as I said I dont think others need to adhere to *our* honor code. But to us, its precisely *because* of how this war has gone that we can't peace out. Perhaps part of it is our disagreement over Admins actions. But, as you said, put that aside. More then that, In my book its precisely when wars are boring, long, dragged out, or hopeless that you DONT peace out. Anyone can be loyal in the good times or quick and easy wars. Its the tough ones that show the mettle. We could come up with a bunch of excuses to leave, and the community here would be fine with it. And NPO are good enough friends im sure they would understand and have no hard feelings. But... we would still have left our allies in a moment of crisis. And then have to look at ourselves in the mirror. And i'm not comfortable with what I would see in said mirror. Until I can feel satisfied that we've done everything in our power to help our friends... we just can't leave. Even if all we can do is absorb some blows and lob some missiles. I''d be happy to chat. Feel free to hop onto the t$ discord to find me! Ultimately I don't think it's our approval you need. If you are content with your decision and position, then that will be all that there is to it. I'm aware you ascribe to what some might consider a rigorous oldschool (CN) mentality where war is concerned, and that to you, leaving a war prematurely is frowned upon. That environment was my first interaction with these games as well, and some of it did stick by me. Eventually though, I do wonder where one should draw the line, and when peace should become viable. Let's say NPO determines that they'd rather war until disbandment to spite t$- do you follow them despite the white peace on the table? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 I respect this decision. I just hope you won't stay in if it ends up being a long term matter of people keeping up the fight out of spite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucemna Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Rav u have been one of r best friends over the years and thank god we have friends like u 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygon Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Honorable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 2 hours ago, OsRavan said: ODN doesn't really play the safe politics game. As those who know us best could attest, we operate on a strict code of honor and a set of principles. More than anything else, no matter what, we back our friends and we adhere to those principles. I didn't realize it was comedy hour. At any rate, glad you'll still be on the target lists! Quote Worst Poster Ever (2011) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucemna Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Prefonteen said: This is a bit of a mixed bag to me. Os, in any other situation I would have commended you for your loyalty. At this point however, your ally got caught cheating. Even discounting that, this war has dragged on in utter toxicity for over 7 months. White peace is on the table -for NPO too-. To continue this permagrudge of a war your ally in NPO seems intent on is to be a part of the problem. I hope you change your mind. Feel free to hit me up to discuss this war -be it with or without peace offer-. Until then, good luck. U know agian the tear jerk ... NPO has been held at war many times in many realms for over 7 months ... we stood through it then and we will stand now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeroofTime55 Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, brucemna said: U know agian the tear jerk ... NPO has been held at war many times in many realms for over 7 months ... we stood through it then and we will stand now. You apparently have not been kept in the loop on your leadership's publicly stated intents. Edited February 6, 2020 by HeroofTime55 Quote Worst Poster Ever (2011) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucemna Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 1 minute ago, HeroofTime55 said: You apparently have not been kept in the loop on your leadership's publicly stated intents. Hahaha.. okay u know what I know.... amazing how u couldn't win on the battle field but run to admin to do ur work for u. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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