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6 minutes ago, Buorhann said:

Just waiting on people to report those on Google reviews.  If they’re not careful, could easily end up in legal court.

Not very intelligent having their names there.

This is google. It wouldn't matter if they didn't put their names on there, they know who you are and what you ate this morning.

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26 minutes ago, Madden8021 said:

The Hippo has a point, btw, the P&W app was removed on the Apple App Store as well but no one cares.

Also, I think the banned NPO members could target the P&W Discord Server by contacting the Trust and Safety Team in some kind of report and accuse it for hosting disgusting pictures or whatever since if they did then they're sinking pretty low on their reputation.

God, I hope they keep doing this.  The blowback is going to be a thousand times more epic than Alex just dropping the banhammer.

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5 minutes ago, Do Not Fear Jazz said:

Imagine a world where @Prefontaine isn't biased. 

Imagine a world where the games biggest alliance doesn't cheat by obtaining over 100 billion in illicit materials and supplies their coalitions struggle to destroy their opponents and force them to quit the game. 

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7 minutes ago, Justin076 said:

Imagine a world where the games biggest alliance doesn't cheat by obtaining over 100 billion in illicit materials and supplies their coalitions struggle to destroy their opponents and force them to quit the game. 

*30billion.

Alex took off an extra 65billion. 

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5 hours ago, AkAk said:

Goodbye forever Nobody Expects

This nation was banned on 2020-02-06 18:03:12 for: Conspiracy to "destroy the game", accusations of child pornography in Google review. The ban is permanent. Visit your nation, or go to the search page.

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We need a notice that this is just a browser game and not real life every time we log in, some people seem to forget it

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21 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

*30billion.

Alex took off an extra 65billion. 

30 billion in material from 4-5000 cities over a span of 5-6 months. Nice troll.

 

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8 hours ago, Guest Karl VII said:

All the e-lawyering here lmao. ‘Ackyually google could sue...‘ stfu 

If everything being said here is true about the false CP allegations, if it wasn't for the fact that the actual financial ramifications for Alex aren't worth him lawyering up (since I'm guessing it would cost much more money than the actual damages done, but maybe I'm wrong), then they would absolutely be opening themselves up to civil liability. Libel is a real thing and shouldn't be taken lightly. This game is not worth getting yourself into real life legal trouble. 

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Everyone on NPO side saying Alex shouldn't have waited 7months , you are right. If he did it right away you all would be much worse off than you are now, his delay in judgement has only benefited you. Delay or not it was a rule that was broken, and im just glad its finally been enforced 

 

 

I play a game called kingdoms at war where after 10  years of not enforcing rules 

- Some Players own 50-60 accounts themselves, war bots are rampant (imagine down declaring and by the time you can get your first hit in a bot has already bought military units, attacked you twice, donated everything not necessary for war into the alliance bank, puts an alarm on the players phone to wake them up / get their attention) 

 

- Epic battle bots (kinda like baseball but its the only source of pve income)  run rampant, player #1 has 50x more actions than player #50 (everyone gets 70/hour) 

 

- Players get people who live in countries  that have massive inflation to buy paid in game items on their account  for cheap while giving that buyer a porfit . 

 

- Spending and activity per player is at an all time low because you can just buy anything for cheaper than the store offers it off of players + Entire out of game markets for in game items including hundreds of players in single discord chats . 

 

- Pvp clans can't accept any player we haven't known for years because they are almost all alts. 

 

 

- More playes than P&W still but fourms have been a ghost town for 3 years since maybe 700 are acutal players 

 

We dont want to go down that road,  ever, trust me. A game I've put thousands of dollars and hundred if not thousands of rl hours into over the course of my 8 years there , i only play to ensure my alliance doesn't die . 

Its gotten so bad ive basically changed that game out for this one . And that used to be a top google play game with over a million players, and dozens of staff making an average of 47cents per player every day . 

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12 hours ago, Guest Karl VII said:

All the e-lawyering here lmao. ‘Ackyually google could sue...‘ stfu 

Lmao, this guy is now 'Guest' because he was one of the Google review defamers. What a dumbass! 

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I just want to point out how the game works for people who don't understand Orbis economics. There's about 660 billion in total in-game money supply, and about 440 billion in all alliance banks, which is about exactly enough to rebuild all Coalition A assets (including inactives) to 2.25k infrastructure. My estimate of total game fluid assets (not including fixed assets such as infrastructure and cities) would be between 1.2 trillion and 1.8 trillion at current prices.

 

The daily production capability of NPO right before their entrance was about 2 billion per day (for the alliance!). Syndicate was around 1 billion per day, and Grumpy Old Bastards was between NPO and Syndicate. I think a pre-war estimate of total in-game generation capability came to 60-80 billion per day. Wartime, NPO was estimated around 1 billion per day, although this obviously went to cover military expenses.

 

I had estimated GPWC at around 1-2 billion, but in reality due to massive inactivity and the low per-city productivity of low infrastructure farms, the actual production was about 850 million.

 

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A lot of this goddamn game is based on people not understanding what the actual gameplay factors are like, as well as the fact that PnW behaves like an Arab army, where military anthropologists have noted knowledge is treated as power and is thus carefully hoarded. This can extend to political factors, but in this case, it's a lack of understanding of the game economy.

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8 minutes ago, Inst said:

I just want to point out how the game works for people who don't understand Orbis economics. There's about 660 billion in total in-game money supply, and about 440 billion in all alliance banks. My estimate of total game fluid assets (not including fixed assets such as infrastructure and cities) would be between 1.2 trillion and 1.8 trillion at current prices.

 

The daily production capability of NPO right before their entrance was about 2 billion per day (for the alliance!). Syndicate was around 1 billion per day, and Grumpy Old Bastards was between NPO and Syndicate. I think a pre-war estimate of total in-game generation capability came to 60-80 billion per day.

 

I had estimated GPWC at around 1-2 billion, but in reality due to massive inactivity and the low per-city productivity of low infrastructure farms, the actual production was about 850 million.

That comparison is a little weak because GPWC was producing 850 million while at "war" my guess is that income probably at the very least doubled NPO's natural income, probably closer to triple or quadrupled it, since they were in low infra war builds.  This is a stupid ridiculous advantage.

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6 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

That comparison is a little weak because GPWC was producing 850 million while at "war" my guess is that income probably at the very least doubled NPO's natural income, probably closer to triple or quadrupled it, since they were in low infra war builds.  This is a stupid ridiculous advantage.

I'm just here to put figures into context. We knew exactly what your response would be to events as negotiations with Alex progressed (to the best of my knowledege, we refused to admit wrongdoing in exchange for leniency). As I've said in Discord, GPWC was a grey area event that was ultimately adjudicated against by Alex in a very harsh way, helped by the fact that elements of Coalition B decided to spend their time alienating Alex (Viva Miriya was Mandozer, for people who knew that, and he harassed Alex every day with insults until Alex had enough and banned him).

 

If you'd like a sustained conversation, maybe we can talk about it after we're out of the game for good and this is depoliticized. Otherwise, why bother?

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Just now, Inst said:

 (to the best of my knowledege, we refused to admit wrongdoing in exchange for leniency).

lolololololol

 

From Alex:

"It’s also worth noting that after bringing this up with NPO directly to hear their side of the story, access to the GPWC server was removed and several public Google Drive documents (which screenshots or downloads have been supplied) were modified to edit out the relevant information to this investigation."

 

Yep, super innocent of any wrong doing! 

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56 minutes ago, AkAk said:

lolololololol

 

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Yep, super innocent of any wrong doing! 

That's probably why Tiberius is so hard on screaming about "NO PROOF," now that they deleted what they could.

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On 2/6/2020 at 2:17 PM, Prefontaine said:

          I was one of the people who was brought in to look at the body of evidence regarding the GPWC money and resource farm to provide feedback to Alex. There's been a lot of talk on both sides about how the action taken was too much, while the other side has said that there was not enough action. That's an indicator of a solid compromise, a reasonable middle. When dealing with this whole situation I want to make one thing clear, there is no good solution. The impact of GPWCs funding of fighting on the last several months can not be addressed adequately, there is no magic fix for what has happened, there is no ideal solution. Thus knowing all of the remaining options are poor ones, why act? Because action needed to be taken. The impact of adding nearly a billion dollars in cash and resources to one side daily over several months of warfare cannot be understated, especially when looking at the climate of the war.

          This war, like many wars before it, became toxic. However the level of toxicity reached new heights in this war with people on both sides talking like this war was the last war. There were comments about driving people out of the game, wanting to make people quit, see alliances disband. Emotions were high on both sides because of these sentiments. Now, take that environment and find out one side had been funding their campaign with illicit sources. There is no way to roll back the emotion, even if you could roll back the damage. 

          It makes sense that some leadership, even those not accused of cheating, would quit after this event. They adopted an all-in mentality on this war. If you lose your all-in, you've nothing left. However leaders whom encourage their players to delete their accounts simply because their gambit failed are an embarrassment to themselves and the communities they claim to represent. While it is true they cannot force people to delete or quit, trying to exert your influence over your members to do so is beyond disappointing. Some of you I've known for years, even a decade. You've disappointed me.

          To those claiming that Alex knew about this and gave it his blessing -- you're very much wrong. You knew what you were doing was wrong, its why you approached him with vague statements. If you had laid out what you were actually doing, you would have received a very different response and we both know it. Had you asked him: "Can we invite around 1000 people to join the game, but they're not going to play in the traditional sense, instead they're going to sit in an alliance that taxes them 100% to gain additional resources. In return for them logging in often enough to allow their nations to be taxed properly we will provide them with a translated comic they want. Should they fail to log in frequently enough we remove their access to the comic", do you really believe you would have his okay to move ahead? Of course not, it's why you didn't ask him directly for permission for what you were doing. You knew it was wrong

          I've been encouraging, both publicly and privately, alliances who remain to move towards a white peace. The faster we can move past this incident, the better. We need to put this behind us as a cautionary tail of what happens when we become too toxic, and what happens when cheating is allowed at the high levels of governance. This game is not dead, as much as those who were in the wrong, and those whom feel the actions taken against their friends were unjust want it to be. We have a moment -- a few of them -- to take a breath, and as the dust settles on this event we can move forward as a community. 

 

A moment of silence to the real victims, the farm owners of GPWC who will no longer be receiving their comics.


Going on @Alex latest ruling, the truth is I am starting to believe as are many others that Alex did give NPO/GPWC the go ahead and then later just changed the goal posts.

Last year I get a nation strike for withdrawing my personal funds from an offshore and entering VM and lose 20%, yet Jazz do it and Alex is fine with it.
 



So how can we be 100% sure that alex did not tell NPO it was ok to just change his mind later

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4 hours ago, Bjorn Ironside said:


Going on @Alex latest ruling, the truth is I am starting to believe as are many others that Alex did give NPO/GPWC the go ahead and then later just changed the goal posts.

Last year I get a nation strike for withdrawing my personal funds from an offshore and entering VM and lose 20%, yet Jazz do it and Alex is fine with it.
 



So how can we be 100% sure that alex did not tell NPO it was ok to just change his mind later

Did you prove they were your funds? Its not really right to punished for that. 

Yeah a poor decision, you need to be refunded or Jazz needs to have those resources removed. The rule needs so if you can prove its yours then it should be removed. 

A 75 day old nation really shouldn't have 355 million, he claims he passed it from his previous nation to his new nation? That's against the rules isn't it? Seems its not. Either way its highly unlikely him or his previous nation could amass 5billion+ worth of money and resources. 

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59 minutes ago, Epi said:

There are dozens of players who donate to the game and have accumulated a lot more money than that. Players with a lot less access to investment opportunities, who weren't as keyed into the market or in an alliance likely willing to exchange cash for resources.

There 101 ways Jazz could've made that money.

In general though, the rule around bank hiding is vague. Ultimately Sheepy judges each situation on it's own merits and in this case it was verified before he entered VM and thus totally legal.

Either way it requires investigating considering the circumstances. Yes players did accumulate more, for the most part they got cities around the same or higher than my count of 29. 

I would say it is not legal just because it is verified, its a decision that needs to be reversed given how other individuals who are more easily able to amass wealth such bjorn were punished for going to VM with a fraction of his own money. Just because you inform Alex of your possible cheating and he initially agrees without the full context available doesn't mean you're right, NPO learned this. 

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