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So there are alliances offering people a Raffle where they win prizes if they sign up to play P/W?  Is this a one-time Raffle, or are there multiple raffles if people stay active?  They have to join a specific alliance I'd assume?  They play the game like normal?  Or do they also sit in a tax farm alliance?

 

Then you have other alliances offering basically a monthly subscription to a translated Manga comic in exchange for them signing up to sit in alliance and be taxed 100%?  All these people aren't actually playing the game?  How many people we talking about here?

 

Can someone with the ability to answer these questions without bias or insults would be welcome.

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2 hours ago, Bartholomew Roberts said:

NPO's slogan since the war began months ago has been "moderator action against us will result in us leaving this game". War changes or updates, baseball exploitation fixes, botting/automation... They've been bending the rules to the breaking limit for quite awhile now along with many of their allies.

They've been looking for an excuse to say "F-it" and ragequit the game.

So would you after 9 months of war and not been able to force those on the other side to delete and disband, the only goal NPO proved to want.

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50 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Forcing people to join PnW for a raffle was acceptable back in August. Contradicting Alex's rule.

The GPWC situation was not a moderation issue back in Novemeber. Contradicting Alex's rule.

All of a sudden Alex decides what he has allowed for 7 months is now not okay. 

Alex provides no shred of proof that anything happened. Only circumstantial.

No crimes committed, this simply wouldn't stand up on a court of law. 

The only court this stands up in is that of the whales and those who own Alex.

Take your head out of your ass and see that Alex is simply not impartial. If his whales whine enough you'll be gone too.

Nice of you to finish your paragraph with a personal attack on someone who hasn't cheated, since they'd be banned right now if they had. 

It "wasn't an issue" because you WERE NOT FORTHRIGHT WITH HIM ABOUT THE FULL EXTENT OF YOUR ACTIONS. 

I don't know what you don't get about that.  Except I do, because you do get it, this is just more lies and propaganda from NPO.

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12 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

"Still, I did enquire at the time about where all these players came from, and the answer I
received was that there was a raffle for a waifu body pillow and to enter the raffle one had to
start playing Politics & War. I figured, that’s odd, but happy to see new players joining and
because they did not appear to be bots I figured it was on the up-and-up."

Keep ignoring what's in front of you all you like. 

So your defense is that you lied to him and misled him? The prosecution rests.

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3 minutes ago, William of Cobden said:

So there are alliances offering people a Raffle where they win prizes if they sign up to play P/W?  Is this a one-time Raffle, or are there multiple raffles if people stay active?  They have to join a specific alliance I'd assume?  They play the game like normal?  Or do they also sit in a tax farm alliance?

 

Then you have other alliances offering basically a monthly subscription to a translated Manga comic in exchange for them signing up to sit in alliance and be taxed 100%?  All these people aren't actually playing the game?  How many people we talking about here?

 

Can someone with the ability to answer these questions without bias or insults would be welcome.

Also, is there a post somehwere in the forum where a narrative of all of this is posted by someone representing the admin?  If so can you link it here.

 

If that doesn't exist then I think it'd be helpful if it did.

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It's a freaking mess so I appreciate the extra clarity, Prefontaine.

On another note, I'm a lot less afraid of NPO without Altmoras now lol

More than several years ago on another nation sim, he was a friend to me during a time nobody else was, so I do hope he makes his return when his ban ends (because I am hardly around for update on NS, I'm so sorry, Alt).

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4 minutes ago, William of Cobden said:

So there are alliances offering people a Raffle where they win prizes if they sign up to play P/W?  Is this a one-time Raffle, or are there multiple raffles if people stay active?  They have to join a specific alliance I'd assume?  They play the game like normal?  Or do they also sit in a tax farm alliance?

 

Then you have other alliances offering basically a monthly subscription to a translated Manga comic in exchange for them signing up to sit in alliance and be taxed 100%?  All these people aren't actually playing the game?  How many people we talking about here?

 

Can someone with the ability to answer these questions without bias or insults would be welcome.

The raffle referred to is apparently a lie the NPO told @Alex to explain where the GPWC came from, without divulging the log in for manhwa trade they had occurring.

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6 minutes ago, Bjorn Ironside said:

Cant beat the whales, join them, that's what you should have done, but instead you cheated.

This is what they did in CN, with political savvy, they came back by allying with some of the meatiest top-tier alliances around.  NPO always used to be a political force to be reckoned with.

I am guessing the problem here is that they burned all those bridges and put all their chips on a cheating farm, which is now gone.  NPO could recover and take over the game again if they really wanted to, if the rest of us let them.  But we should remember forever their toxic attitudes, objectives, and methods.

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2 minutes ago, William of Cobden said:

Also, is there a post somehwere in the forum where a narrative of all of this is posted by someone representing the admin?  If so can you link it here.

 

If that doesn't exist then I think it'd be helpful if it did.

 

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1 minute ago, Tankobite said:

The raffle referred to is apparently a lie the NPO told @Alex to explain where the GPWC came from, without divulging the log in for manhwa trade they had occurring.

Eh, I'm sure they enticed people at the start with a weeb frick pillow to get the ball rolling, so I am willing to believe it's part of the story, certainly not the whole story though.

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2 minutes ago, HeroofTime55 said:

Eh, I'm sure they enticed people at the start with a weeb frick pillow to get the ball rolling, so I am willing to believe it's part of the story, certainly not the whole story though.

It's unclear if it really happened. But it looks to me by the document Alex posted that even if it was how they encouraged people to join, the issue was more about how they were only kept playing by denying them access to the manhwa, so that they'd provide resources.
"This is against the rules because it violates the Real-World Transactions for In-Game Materials rule (trading of in-game money and resources for out-of-game materials: access to illegal “scanlations” of “Who Made Me a Princess”) as well as the Fairness in Trading and Banking rule (using trading or alliance banks to funnel money/resources from one nation to another where one nation has no intention to continue playing the game.)" Rather than the way people were incentive to join initially.  But that nuance seems lost on NPO

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Hopefully this will serve to encourage some restraint in future wars.  Fight hard, try to win, but don’t get personal over a game.  Whatever the circumstances, the punishments have been handed out and I hope these players come back to the game when the bans expire.  Orbis needs an NPO as much as it needs a TKR or a micro with 5 members in my opinion.

 

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23 minutes ago, Harry Flashman said:

Hopefully this will serve to encourage some restraint in future wars.  Fight hard, try to win, but don’t get personal over a game.  Whatever the circumstances, the punishments have been handed out and I hope these players come back to the game when the bans expire.  Orbis needs an NPO as much as it needs a TKR or a micro with 5 members in my opinion.

 

I actually hope they will take the opporunity to make a more robost war mechanic.  Where you formally declare war against other alliances and you have a progress meter that swings back and forth until one side crosses the line on their side to win the war.   Or something along those lines.  Have strict game rules about what alliance you can declare war on based on size and frequency.  Alliances could even enter into challanges from other alliances, or the admin could post challenges with prizes/rewards for the winners.  etc. etc.

 

So many possibilities.

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2 hours ago, Menhera said:


He couldn't. His rules stated the punishment. We had the precedent of Nova Riata, but that one pales in comparison.

The damage that NPO has caused by doing this is immeasurable. How many people have quit the game because one side had such an immense advantage and a sheer ton of resources to their disposal? No apology will be enough, no measure will heal the damage.

If he would have done it like then with riata, he would have deleted 50bil of worth more resources, all cities that were funded by GPWC money and he would have permabanned a lot of people that are now getting 6 months only. I assume he didn't do that because NPO already established itself with all the resources they got, and removing everything would strip away any chance of moving on. Like this, you still have it. 

Our response now is that we don't push for terms, we don't want to permawar you until you delete. Instead we offer a blanket white peace and a NAP. No kicking while you are down.

We can not look back, but only move forward. So let's do it together

You could also consider  the Terradoxia situation as relevant precedent. 

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5 hours ago, Nobody Expects said:

No wrong was done.

Goodbye forever Nobody Expects

This nation was banned on 2020-02-06 18:03:12 for: Conspiracy to "destroy the game", accusations of child pornography in Google review. The ban is permanent. Visit your nation, or go to the search page.

 

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Nobody Expects replied to Alex's topic in Announcements & Updates

@Alex, we will burn your game down and not stop til we are done. You will reap what you have sown, you tool.

 

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37 minutes ago, Madden8021 said:

Let's say it like this, Both sides are pushing each other for the Delete button or ruin friendships because of this almost 9 month war while seeing others doing illegal activities like Cheating, making threats legally or illegally and whatever else just to break the rules/guidelines and ToS within the game, forums or discord just to get banned for it or even arrested. Sooner or later that P&W will be put into its grave if this continues but whatever, continue what you like to do but ?In the end, it doesn't even matter?

 

We have literally offered white peace even after the cheating came to light. Not much else coalition A can do. If NPO is set on permawar or deletion, then that's on them.

 

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54 minutes ago, Madden8021 said:

He was also trying to war slot people last I checked "and yet I was one of them in his war list before his nation got deleted"

That's true by how you put it.

I was kinda sad he got deleted, I was looking forward to tearing up all his planes.  I was about to message some of you for some good ole coordination, but the fluffy hammer of Sheeps doled out its justice before that was to be.

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1 hour ago, AkAk said:

Goodbye forever Nobody Expects

This nation was banned on 2020-02-06 18:03:12 for: Conspiracy to "destroy the game", accusations of child pornography in Google review. The ban is permanent. Visit your nation, or go to the search page

I just want to point out that P&W recently got review bombed, and from the screenshots I saw, accusations of pedophile and child porn were in them. They were also being upvoted.

I would post screenshots myself, but a lot of IRL names were in them and I'm choosing to be a better person than them (which is not hard).

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7 minutes ago, Thalmor said:

I just want to point out that P&W recently got review bombed, and from the screenshots I saw, accusations of pedophile and child porn were in them. They were also being upvoted.

I would post screenshots myself, but a lot of IRL names were in them and I'm choosing to be a better person than them (which is not hard).

Where was the reviews? GooglePlay?

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47 minutes ago, Thalmor said:

I just want to point out that P&W recently got review bombed, and from the screenshots I saw, accusations of pedophile and child porn were in them. They were also being upvoted.

I would post screenshots myself, but a lot of IRL names were in them and I'm choosing to be a better person than them (which is not hard).

Alex has already banned several accounts over this apparently. 

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52 minutes ago, Thalmor said:

I just want to point out that P&W recently got review bombed, and from the screenshots I saw, accusations of pedophile and child porn were in them. They were also being upvoted.

I would post screenshots myself, but a lot of IRL names were in them and I'm choosing to be a better person than them (which is not hard).

Imagine the kind of person it takes to do this over a nation sim. Entitled garbage that won’t be missed. 

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54 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Where was the reviews? GooglePlay?

Yeah, google play. A few of us found them, I reported at least one, and they poked the wroooooooong bear when they accused Google of distribution of CP. This ain't Google's first rodeo and they have an unholy number of lawyers just waiting for this kind of case to fall into their laps...

  

3 minutes ago, James II said:

Didn't DNFJ brag about goons destroying communities when they first popped up?

Yep. "We'll raid Arrgh for at least a year" was one of their brags.

Turns out it was a painful lesson ?

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