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1 minute ago, kalev60 said:

And you could have easily not escalated things in the first place by not attacking our allies.

Um they started it and when they were countered the plans they had leaked.

 

12 minutes ago, REAP3R said:

 

 

So you're trolling?

He was trolling. I didn't say it wouldn't be endless. The continued use of the gimmick is why we have no real reason to peace along with the other reasons.  Someone is playing with a loaded die and peace is what they want. We don't have any incentive for peace until we actually get one. If people are using the friendly wars to their advantage, why would we accept that?  It's entirely slanted in your favor. We just derive no benefit from peace so it's not going to work for people employing the gimmick.

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1 minute ago, namukara said:

Prior to your attacks on TMC there was next to no reason for Farksphere to enter the war.

The fact that you still attacked TMC, despite it being plainly evident that they had a treaty with Fark, and that Farksphere honours its treaties, is proof positive that you had a desire to bring us into the war. This being the case I cannot accept that OD attacks on allies of TCW, who they knew TCW had an obligation to defend, were not intended to bring TCW into the war.

 

I am not fighting you because I hate you. There are NPO members I regularly chat to, I know people in your alliance from other places it exists. I am fighting you because whatever respect I have for the NPO, I have far more love for a game I have invested time and money into playing. The fact that the NPO has, for the duration of its history across multiple games, failed to realise that these sorts of activities only persist while there is an effective opposition to one group is not the fault of those fighting it. The fact that we realise that our communities are more important than our pixels is also not our fault, however it is the reason I will not stop fighting until OD's attempts to crush any meaningful alliances which could present any threat to them ends.

 

Peace is in your interest. If you go for it, the game survives and so do you. If you don't go for it, the game dies or you do. I see, however that you've made your decision. Enjoy the battlefield, I'm still smiling.

 

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We didn't intend to draw it in. The NAP didn't cover TMC in our eyes as TMC was not signed before that and TMC was the aggressor. They were on bad terms with Fark wehn the NAP was done and started the BoC thing.

Okay let me break it down to you: we were never going to eliminate effective opposition. By giving an easy peace that allows enemies to consolidate and build on their structural advantages, it was simply suicidal. Whenever they eventually reached a settlement, they would still be in good shape and have tons going for them. The rhetoric from their side has indicated their long-term intent and thus we have no reason to make it easy for them. They hate us and we are reciprocrating the sentiments. They did a passion play and made themselves out to be completely crushed forever when it was never the case. They are in decent condition no matter how long it goes or they wouldn't have the energy for this. This would have just happened some period after a peace deal, so it would have been entirely stacked in their favor. Some people have been more upfront in acknowledging that. 

Again, it's not. Peacing in this situation when they're doing this stuff just means it's even more slanted in their favor going forward. If they resorted to gimmicks to try to win, then they're going to have to deal with the outcome there. We derive no benefit from entrenching their dominance and letting them get something they want.

 

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9 minutes ago, namukara said:

Prior to your attacks on TMC there was next to no reason for Farksphere to enter the war.

The fact that you still attacked TMC, despite it being plainly evident that they had a treaty with Fark, and that Farksphere honours its treaties, is proof positive that you had a desire to bring us into the war. This being the case I cannot accept that OD attacks on allies of TCW, who they knew TCW had an obligation to defend, were not intended to bring TCW into the war.

 

I am not fighting you because I hate you. There are NPO members I regularly chat to, I know people in your alliance from other places it exists. I am fighting you because whatever respect I have for the NPO, I have far more love for a game I have invested time and money into playing. The fact that the NPO has, for the duration of its history across multiple games, failed to realise that these sorts of activities only persist while there is an effective opposition to one group is not the fault of those fighting it. The fact that we realise that our communities are more important than our pixels is also not our fault, however it is the reason I will not stop fighting until OD's attempts to crush any meaningful alliances which could present any threat to them ends.

 

Peace is in your interest. If you go for it, the game survives and so do you. If you don't go for it, the game dies or you do. I see, however that you've made your decision. Enjoy the battlefield, I'm still smiling.

 

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Please stay on topic. This is not the place for it.

 

create your own thread for this textwall. besides, you have your own twist of IC events, that textwall. They have theirs: TMC hit a treatied NPO ally, NPO hit TMC back. Or: Fark should've stayed out of it to leave TMC to deal with their consequences. This could go on for endless pages.

 

Let's just express support for the phishing/hacking victim  and Discourage any malicious account/nation accessing (of nations not belonging to the hacker)  

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3 minutes ago, Roquentin said:

We didn't intend to draw it in. The NAP didn't cover TMC in our eyes as TMC was not signed before that and TMC was the aggressor. They were on bad terms with Fark wehn the NAP was done and started the BoC thing.

Okay let me break it down to you: we were never going to eliminate effective opposition. By giving an easy peace that allows enemies to consolidate and build on their structural advantages, it was simply suicidal. Whenever they eventually reached a settlement, they would still be in good shape and have tons going for them. The rhetoric from their side has indicated their long-term intent and thus we have no reason to make it easy for them. They hate us and we are reciprocrating the sentiments. They did a passion play and made themselves out to be completely crushed forever when it was never the case. They are in decent condition no matter how long it goes or they wouldn't have the energy for this. This would have just happened some period after a peace deal, so it would have been entirely stacked in their favor. Some people have been more upfront in acknowledging that. 

Again, it's not. Peacing in this situation when they're doing this stuff just means it's even more slanted in their favor going forward. If they resorted to gimmicks to try to win, then they're going to have to deal with the outcome there. We derive no benefit from entrenching their dominance and letting them get something they want.

 

With regards TMC/Fark relations, you were probably not the best placed people in the world to judge that, that would be tmc and fark. Given the response, I think it is clear that it can still be expected that other alliances have a very different idea with regards treaties than NPO: i.e. we think they mean something.

 

Any structural advantage that our alliances have over yours was entirely self-created. It is your insistence on set builds and the inability of your members with more economic ability to expand that has created this situation for you.

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9 minutes ago, durmij said:

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Freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the UDHR states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". 

Also all my " crimes" were committed under the umbrella of a New´s Agency so journalistic freedoms apply also, also one would argue most nations using the citizens as collateral to loans makes everything governmental entities and if going by socialistic ideas there is no such thing as private property.... :D:D  But I understand your impulse on wanting to tap your finger on that sign

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5 minutes ago, Yuno said:

Please stay on topic. This is not the place for it.

 

create your own thread for this textwall. besides, you have your own twist of IC events, that textwall. They have theirs: TMC hit a treatied NPO ally, NPO hit TMC back. Or: Fark should've stayed out of it to leave TMC to deal with their consequences. This could go on for endless pages.

 

Let's just express support for the phishing/hacking victim  and Discourage any malicious account/nation accessing (of nations not belonging to the hacker)  

Sorry about that, I saw other people expressing their war reasons so I thought it best to give mine.

2 minutes ago, kalev60 said:

Freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the UDHR states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". 

Also all my " crimes" were committed under the umbrella of a New´s Agency so journalistic freedoms apply also, also one would argue most nations using the citizens as collateral to loans makes everything governmental entities and if going by socialistic ideas there is no such thing as private property.... :D:D  But I understand your impulse on wanting to tap your finger on that sign

The international lawyer in me can't help but remind you that the UDHR is not legally binding

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28 minutes ago, Roquentin said:

He was trolling. I didn't say it wouldn't be endless. The continued use of the gimmick is why we have no real reason to peace along with the other reasons.  Someone is playing with a loaded die and peace is what they want. We don't have any incentive for peace until we actually get one. If people are using the friendly wars to their advantage, why would we accept that?  It's entirely slanted in your favor. We just derive no benefit from peace so it's not going to work for people employing the gimmick.

According to yourself, it was already slanted in 'our' favor to peace. You were never truly planning to pursue peace and is evidenced by the war still ongoing 7 months later, dragging in more and more participants. You standing here and continuing to defend your absurd terms is why your allies will continue to ditch you.

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8 hours ago, Roquentin said:

There are very few people who could make a dummy account in bknet. That's all I'm going to say. 

 

Well I have seen the screen shots and such that's been sent to Alex, The truth is I stand correct on the fact it was not a dummy account used, Gorge used his own BKnet account that had amounts already in there, Also screen shots of BK members who left sometime ago who still have rrs and cash in their BKnet account, so it seems to me that Leo and BK just failed on removing Gorge account. Now if this is the case and from what I have seen it seems so, then those resources and such belong to gorge according to the BKnet.

But this covers the banking that we all know Gorge abused BKnet, no proof of any kind have been offered or supported that Gorge logged in to Leos account and kicked people, this for me is a whole new issue, as that is clearly hacking and whoever did that should be banned for life.

9 hours ago, Alexio15 said:

Don’t forget all of the toxic conspiracies that they themselves come up with 

How can one forget such levels, Roquentin has called me Hitler countless times in the Col B high gov chat, and also supported the actions of forcing me to quit for good, no matter how much someone over steps the mark its wrong to call someone Hitler and its wrong to force people to quit. (Roq do not ask me to post screen shots, we both know you did and I do not have time to go over it again)

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3 minutes ago, Bjorn Ironside said:

Well I have seen the screen shots and such that's been sent to Alex, The truth is I stand correct on the fact it was not a dummy account used, Gorge used his own BKnet account that had amounts already in there, Also screen shots of BK members who left sometime ago who still have rrs and cash in their BKnet account, so it seems to me that Leo and BK just failed on removing Gorge account. Now if this is the case and from what I have seen it seems so, then those resources and such belong to gorge according to the BKnet.

But this covers the banking that we all know Gorge abused BKnet, no proof of any kind have been offered or supported that Gorge logged in to Leos account and kicked people, this for me is a whole new issue, as that is clearly hacking and whoever did that should be banned for life.

How can one forget such levels, Roquentin has called me Hitler countless times in the Col B high gov chat, and also supported the actions of forcing me to quit for good, no matter how much someone over steps the mark its wrong to call someone Hitler and its wrong to force people to quit. (Roq do not ask me to post screen shots, we both know you did and I do not have time to go over it again)

So he did go into it with unauthorized access. I'm not sure iwhether there was a way for him to see admin stuff and get Leo's pass though. That's the question. 

I didn't say you were Hitler.

I said that you were everything wrong with the game since you kept wanting to bail to just play farmville and no one believed the 50b or whatever was yours. They're just flattering you now when they don't really like your playstyle either. Feel free to find the logs. Keshav was mad when you broke the deal yeah, but he had even agreed to the NAP.

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3 minutes ago, Roquentin said:

I didn't say you were Hitler.

I said that you were everything wrong with the game since you kept wanting to bail to just play farmville and no one believed the 50b or whatever was yours. They're just flattering you now when they don't really like your playstyle either. Feel free to find the logs. Keshav was mad when you broke the deal yeah, but he had even agreed to the NAP.

I think everyone should be able to play the game how they like. Don't you?

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11 minutes ago, REAP3R said:

According to yourself, it was already slanted in 'our' favor to peace. You were never truly planning to pursue peace and is evidenced by the war still ongoing 7 months later, dragging in more and more participants. You standing here and continuing to defend your absurd terms is why your allies will continue to ditch you.

Peace is in your favor to the extent that it isn't synonymous with your coalition's comprehensive defeat. Roq's earlier quip about handing us $50 billion in exchange for immediate peace was to illustrate this. Unless there is a substantial adjustment of the vast, long-term economic disparities between the opposing coalitions, either in the form of an amenable peace agreement or continued war, we're not interested in ending this.

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1 minute ago, Roquentin said:

I didn't say you were Hitler.

I said that you were everything wrong with the game since you kept wanting to bail to just play farmville and no one believed the 50b or whatever was yours. They're just flattering you now when they don't really like your playstyle either. Feel free to find the logs. Keshav was mad when you broke the deal yeah, but he had even agreed to the NAP.

No one believed me yet 38 cities, 10k land in 36 of them and less than 820 days, my land alone cost 22,320,000,000. but sure whatever I am poor got it.

As for playing farmville, what right do you have to tell me or anyone else how to play the game, that in itself is an ooc attack but not shocking coming from you, Yeah here sign this nap until you pay 5,005,000,000 then we will hit you anyway, you have proven with your allies and allies of allies you have zero respect for treaties, like i would believe you could ever honor a nap.

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Uh Elijah @mad at being called Hitler by Roq,  you're not innocent of OOC Attacks either, you told Keshav to "go die" in one of the logs (from overinterpreting a vague line  to be RL related.) Where is the apology for that?So please both stop dredging up OOC insults here. Just all learn to behave? 

 

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6 minutes ago, Yuno said:

Uh Elijah @mad at being called Hitler by Roq,  you're not innocent of OOC Attacks either, you told Keshav to "go die" in one of the logs (from overinterpreting a vague line  to be RL related.) So please both stop dredging up OOC insults here. Just all learn to behave? 

 

Was not vague but whatever.

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1 hour ago, kalev60 said:

Freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR) and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the UDHR states that "everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference" and "everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice". 

Also all my " crimes" were committed under the umbrella of a New´s Agency so journalistic freedoms apply also, also one would argue most nations using the citizens as collateral to loans makes everything governmental entities and if going by socialistic ideas there is no such thing as private property.... :D:D  But I understand your impulse on wanting to tap your finger on that sign

Way to double down on the asinine nature of your original invocation. As much as IQ's whining, gas-lighting and victim theater might feel like attacks on your person, they aren't. IQ has no power to stop you from pursuing self expression on these boards, save from telling you they don't want to play with you anymore. You aren't being subjected, and never have been subjected to*, anything that would actually constitute interference. Your invoking of journalistic freedom is also equally asinine, as we live in a world that's becoming increasing more dangerous to actual journalists.

Your tangent into nations using citizens as collateral on loans, what level of Alex Jones nonsense is this? Also, your completely misrepresenting the difference between private and personal property in even the shittiest socialist systems, but all of this just leaves me wondering how on earth you expect that to be related?

*if IQ has actually interfered with your ability to express yourself, for example, black mailing or extorting you, stop using it as an argument to feel good on a forum and contact the appropriate authorities.

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1 hour ago, durmij said:

Way to double down on the asinine nature of your original invocation. As much as IQ's whining, gas-lighting and victim theater might feel like attacks on your person, they aren't. IQ has no power to stop you from pursuing self expression on these boards, save from telling you they don't want to play with you anymore. You aren't being subjected, and never have been subjected to*, anything that would actually constitute interference. Your invoking of journalistic freedom is also equally asinine, as we live in a world that's becoming increasing more dangerous to actual journalists.

Your tangent into nations using citizens as collateral on loans, what level of Alex Jones nonsense is this? Also, your completely misrepresenting the difference between private and personal property in even the shittiest socialist systems, but all of this just leaves me wondering how on earth you expect that to be related?

*if IQ has actually interfered with your ability to express yourself, for example, black mailing or extorting you, stop using it as an argument to feel good on a forum and contact the appropriate authorities.

Does this work both ways? Can we simply tell IQ we don't want to play with them, and they'll be forced to allow everybody to leave under a white peace?

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3 hours ago, Bjorn Ironside said:

No one believed me yet 38 cities, 10k land in 36 of them and less than 820 days, my land alone cost 22,320,000,000. but sure whatever I am poor got it.

As for playing farmville, what right do you have to tell me or anyone else how to play the game, that in itself is an ooc attack but not shocking coming from you, Yeah here sign this nap until you pay 5,005,000,000 then we will hit you anyway, you have proven with your allies and allies of allies you have zero respect for treaties, like i would believe you could ever honor a nap.

This man has a point. What right do NPO and co have to state how anyone else should play this game?  I've seen Roq and Keshav state that they aren't playing by Coal A's rules as part of their reasoning for prolonging this war and that they shouldn't expect the same courtesy we have provided them in previous wars when it came to ending them promptly. By that same token, why should we have to abide by whatever rules NPO wishes to impose on playing style?

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4 hours ago, Roquentin said:

WeOkay let me break it down to you: we were never going to eliminate effective opposition. By giving an easy peace that allows enemies to consolidate and build on their structural advantages, it was simply suicidal. Whenever they eventually reached a settlement, they would still be in good shape and have tons going for them. The rhetoric from their side has indicated their long-term intent and thus we have no reason to make it easy for them. They hate us and we are reciprocrating the sentiments. They did a passion play and made themselves out to be completely crushed forever when it was never the case. They are in decent condition no matter how long it goes or they wouldn't have the energy for this. This would have just happened some period after a peace deal, so it would have been entirely stacked in their favor. Some people have been more upfront in acknowledging that. 

Bruh. Before all these new entries, our block was beaten blue and down to less than 400 members, half of those being in TKR and t$/enterprise. Between you, BK, and GOONS, you've got 400, not to mention the 1k in GPWC and assorted 250+ that have stayed with you for the longest war in Orbis history.

The battle for the neutrals was anyone's game once this war was over, but y'all shot yourselves in the foot at every turn, not only losing the neutrals, but also allies.

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9 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Or you know this opens the door to making new allies post war.  Dragging this thing out, has unified everyone else against your corner of the world, because you have proven you are the biggest threat to every other alliance's sovereignty.  Because of this I dont see how dragging this out isn't also suicidal.

Also as to be on topic, people stop being dicks and purposely going outside of game rules to stick it to others.

Sorry, I will go with option B thank you. Close doors and lose existing allies during a war. Clearly the better choice wouldn't you think?

On a serious note, how the hell does Coal B even manage to blame anyone else but themselves when they have had what, half their original coalition turn on them during a war? How is it even logical that somehow it isn't their fault and it is instead everybody else who is to blame? 

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33 minutes ago, Sweeeeet Ronny D said:

Or you know this opens the door to making new allies post war.  Dragging this thing out, has unified everyone else against your corner of the world, because you have proven you are the biggest threat to every other alliance's sovereignty.  Because of this I dont see how dragging this out isn't also suicidal.

Also as to be on topic, people stop being dicks and purposely going outside of game rules to stick it to others.

Not really. I think you don't particularly get the reasons why people dropped out, They dropped out because it was too hard to keep going. No one has been under threat that didn't do something in some way. You can pretend everyone is getting violated sovereignty-wise, but you literally are condoning multiple bank heists with your side's embrace of Gorge,   all the shady stuff Akuryo has been involved in,  Sphinx/Alexio wanting to bankrupt Chaos, embrace of deserters, and so on. It's more suicidal to be at peace with people who has made their agenda clear.   The fact that nothing matters to your side besides just hate of a few alliances means you will always be blinded to anything else.

27 minutes ago, Hodor said:

Bruh. Before all these new entries, our block was beaten blue and down to less than 400 members, half of those being in TKR and t$/enterprise. Between you, BK, and GOONS, you've got 400, not to mention the 1k in GPWC and assorted 250+ that have stayed with you for the longest war in Orbis history.

The battle for the neutrals was anyone's game once this war was over, but y'all shot yourselves in the foot at every turn, not only losing the neutrals, but also allies.

Again this is why we don't think your side is ever honest, you're using nation counts just like at the start of the war. If you were really downtrodden, there'd be no hope no matter what the intervention this late in. You made it out to be like the alliances were beyond repair, and so on. Like I said you staged a passion play.  Where your nations are tiering-wise is the most important factor. You've always used this justification to mess with us/BK/etc.

We can't retain "allies' that want to play on easy mode. It just never works and in every war that was shorter we've always lost the weak-willed. Stop pretending otherwise.

So yeah after the North Point crap you guys are pulling, it's at the point of no return. You're playing a game of chicken and expecting us to blink and it's not going to happen.

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