Guest Elijah Mikaelson Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Just now, Tom Riddle said: Throwing this out there: AK did not Merge with IronFront. most of their members and gov just randomly joined then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Riddle Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 8 minutes ago, Bjorn Ironside said: most of their members and gov just randomly joined then? Not randomly; a decent number of them who wanted to play the game still has come to us. I'm friends with a few gov members as well so they joined. If you felt like tracking AK members you'd see another decent number of them went to other alliances. In total we gained 18 members which is less then half of AK's member count. From my understanding AK members and gov no longer wanted to deal with petty BS, and wanted to join a fun loving, chill community, which happened to be IronFront. 1 Quote ^ NO LONGER^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astryl Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 13 minutes ago, Tom Riddle said: Not randomly; a decent number of them who wanted to play the game still has come to us. I'm friends with a few gov members as well so they joined. If you felt like tracking AK members you'd see another decent number of them went to other alliances. In total we gained 18 members which is less then half of AK's member count. From my understanding AK members and gov no longer wanted to deal with petty BS, and wanted to join a fun loving, chill community, which happened to be IronFront. To clarify this, this is false. AKs remaining membership about a week and a half ago was 28 members iirc. You absorbed roughly half and more than half of the active players. Good luck either way, just trying to be objective here. Quote Queen of Chaos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Riddle Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 37 minutes ago, Jazz R Oppenheimer said: To clarify this, this is false. AKs remaining membership about a week and a half ago was 28 members iirc. Good luck either way, just trying to be objective here. Thanks for being objective, I'm trying to clarify that there isn't a master plan we just want to hangout and play a game together. Last I had seen it it was at 41 members so my mistake if I was incorrect. Quote ^ NO LONGER^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Elijah Mikaelson Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Tom Riddle said: Not randomly; a decent number of them who wanted to play the game still has come to us. I'm friends with a few gov members as well so they joined. If you felt like tracking AK members you'd see another decent number of them went to other alliances. In total we gained 18 members which is less then half of AK's member count. From my understanding AK members and gov no longer wanted to deal with petty BS, and wanted to join a fun loving, chill community, which happened to be IronFront. 1 hour ago, Jazz R Oppenheimer said: To clarify this, this is false. AKs remaining membership about a week and a half ago was 28 members iirc. You absorbed roughly half and more than half of the active players. Good luck either way, just trying to be objective here. 32 minutes ago, Tom Riddle said: Thanks for being objective, I'm trying to clarify that there isn't a master plan we just want to hangout and play a game together. Last I had seen it it was at 41 members so my mistake if I was incorrect. Well I just saw that IF jumped what 41k NS from 46k ns within one day and almost doubled your member count, if not mistaken like 25 people was active in AK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alyster Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Can't say I was a fan, but bye and hope your active (non nazi) members have a bright future in IF. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aksel Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 So what you’re saying is AK merged with IF? wow. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard J Crabs Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Clearly AK merged with IronFront Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Riddle Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Mad Max said: So what you’re saying is AK merged with IF? wow. *Tells people the truth and that there wasn't a merger* *People still think there was a merger* *sigh* 1 Quote ^ NO LONGER^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Limbuwan Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Tom Riddle said: *Tells people the truth and that there wasn't a merger* *People still think there was a merger* *sigh* Does it matter whether it's merger or not ? Not sure why you don't like people calling it a merger . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zygon Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roquentin Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 In the spirit of African-related things, I'd like to wish everyone good luck and a happy Kwanzaa. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sphinx Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 On 12/27/2019 at 2:28 PM, Velium said: snip All the best AK, you did Rommel proud. From our time together in Pantheon, to fighting one another in Knightfall to being allies in Dial Up you guys have always been a great community who enriched the game so its sad to see you move on, but I'm glad a bunch of you are still with us in in IronFront and the rest of our new bloc. On 12/27/2019 at 11:07 PM, Ripper said: snip I mean she's not wrong, Coalition A has a bunch of alliances who've obviously reached their death clock, just sadly AK also seems to have reached theirs. 20 hours ago, Zaurg said: And nothing of value was lost on that fine day How strange that role players for a military unit that fought the UK and US and no communists keep going on about “making things safe from communism in Europe.” I sure wonder if there’s a deeper meaning or connection to any historic or current political movements that used that justification. Hmm makes you think. Celebrating the demise of a coalition partner of yours.... Nice mate totally a good look, not like you lot are concerned with PR anyway. Nothing strange about it, they picked a theme of a unit which was entirely clean of any war crimes in an army which was clearly Anti-Communist to its core. Drawing comparisons between Anti-Communist forces in WW2 and present day political movements through Europe and the US is at best an attempt to slander said groups or at worse distortion of history. Thankfully Communism is consigned to the scrapheap of history where it rightfully belongs despite the lamentations of its meager crew of brainwashed Idiots. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARPER.txt Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 18 minutes ago, Sphinx said: Thankfully Communism is consigned to the scrapheap of history where it rightfully belongs despite the lamentations of its meager crew of brainwashed Idiots. Misplaced hate makes disgrace the races. -Tupac Shakur Quote -SAXON- -Warband Leader of the Nordic Sea Raiders- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durmij Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, Sphinx said: Celebrating the demise of a coalition partner of yours.... Nice mate totally a good look, not like you lot are concerned with PR anyway. Nothing strange about it, they picked a theme of a unit which was entirely clean of any war crimes in an army which was clearly Anti-Communist to its core. Drawing comparisons between Anti-Communist forces in WW2 and present day political movements through Europe and the US is at best an attempt to slander said groups or at worse distortion of history. Thankfully Communism is consigned to the scrapheap of history where it rightfully belongs despite the lamentations of its meager crew of brainwashed Idiots. But yeah, I'm sure Rommel was just a really nice guy who happened to be a good commander for mean old Mister Hitler. 4 2 Quote https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjI4ROuPyuY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUUEHv8GHcE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaurg Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 (edited) The German Military during WW2 was fascist to its core, yes. Edited December 28, 2019 by Zaurg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARPER.txt Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Lowest of the low, rats out of their holes/ Good Night AK Quote -SAXON- -Warband Leader of the Nordic Sea Raiders- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorSoul Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Good riddance! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asierith Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Best of luck to the parties involved. It's sad to see you guys fold, but, for those that went to IF, I hope you enjoy the respite from the mess that PnW has become. You've certainly found a good place. 17 hours ago, Leonard J Crabs said: Clearly AK merged with IronFront It's hardly a merger if just over half the members move over and no gov positions are shared. As clearly outlined by the involved parties, it simply wasn't that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lu Xun Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 The topic at question is the Apex cowardice clause. AK disbanding, first, provides a level of protection against the cowardice clause as AK didn't exit the war, it simply ceased to exist. However, BK can still spin AK as having abandoned its allies in wartime by merging into IF. But officially speaking, or in a "de jure" sense, AK didn't merge into IF, despite having more than half its members join IF. That means that AK didn't trigger the cowardice clause in any way. Or this is how IF would spin it. But of course, this is all up in the air as to how people want to do it. On a strategic basis, the current KERCHTOG$ - BKNPO balance is roughly 2.3mn vs 2mn, and that's including TCW. If BKNPO were to turn on its protectorate, TCW would promptly join KERCHTOG$ and the balance would become roughly 2.9mn vs 1.4mn / 1.7mn (I forget my precise counts and don't want to boot up the spreadsheet). 1 Quote . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Joe Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 You guys have always sucked and the game is now better for your departure. Stay dead. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azaghul Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 13 hours ago, Sphinx said: Nothing strange about it, they picked a theme of a unit which was entirely clean of any war crimes in an army which was clearly Anti-Communist to its core. Drawing comparisons between Anti-Communist forces in WW2 and present day political movements through Europe and the US is at best an attempt to slander said groups or at worse distortion of history. Thankfully Communism is consigned to the scrapheap of history where it rightfully belongs despite the lamentations of its meager crew of brainwashed Idiots. This is trying to have your cake and eat it too. If the "anti-communist" aspect of the cause Afrika Korps fought for is relevant so is the Nazism and genocidal racism. And the Afrika Korps primarily fought the British and the Americans, not communists. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Roquentin Posted December 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2019 Yeah, idk how the anti-communism stuff would square with their theme. I assumed the theme was just related to the anime/wehraboo stuff and the anti-socialism stuff separate. There isn't really a need to adopt Afrika Korps to be against socialism, but it doesn't even make sense to be against socialism in the context of the game in Africa even. Are there socialist movements in the in-game continent? What would they even be doing? There have been Libertarian(recruited off libertarian websites like protest warrior), Conservative alliances, gun alliances, and so on that all had their RL beliefs against socialism as the unifying glue but extolled them without invoking Aryan supremacy and German militarism. I've always thought the theme was distasteful and could definitely attract the wrong type of people(some of the banned guys) for one, but I never thought Khai or Skae were nazis as they gave no indications of such. The theme isn't really defensible on the grounds of anti-communism; at best, it was an ill-conceived way to RP girls und panzer and at worst an intentional lure for the wrong type of people. It's the precise issue with these types of themes; they can't be truly sanitized or handwaved away as non-malicious. Like Shifty had Hyperborea to troll and see if he could get away with the invocation of estoeric Nazism but the type of people who surrounded him did have the real beliefs even if it's doubtful that Shifty himself is a believer in fascism in the real world, he was still doing stuff that caused him to be in that orbit. 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowthrone Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 20 hours ago, Sphinx said: Nothing strange about it, they picked a theme of a unit which was entirely clean of any war crimes in an army which was clearly Anti-Communist to its core. Drawing comparisons between Anti-Communist forces in WW2 and present day political movements through Europe and the US is at best an attempt to slander said groups or at worse distortion of history. Thankfully Communism is consigned to the scrapheap of history where it rightfully belongs despite the lamentations of its meager crew of brainwashed Idiots. The Afrika Korps was definitely not "anti-communist" or fought the Soviets in any serious battle in Northern Africa. It fought the British Empire, the legacy of which even today was he fought versus the colonial armies (Indians especially). The AK for all of its "clean" image, was always an army that fought for the NAZIS, led by someone who was close to Hitler, and who at best was the hero celebrated by that Government till his eventual falling out over his alleged support for the July 20th plot. Revising history here doesn't do any good to somehow clean AK's image within this game. Khai/Skae and others weren't NAZIs and AK at large had no such connotation, since to me they were hardcore weaboos (same2same), from Entitei Ropurei and have always been consistent with the said themes. AK may have been a lightning rod to distasteful characters who'd see the theme and try to co-opt their views into AK, but were rightfully dealt with when brought up. Trying to use historical revisionism to okay the existence of the theme does a greater disservice to players who seemed more interested in the Girls und Panzer anime, than attempting any historical revisionism. The Afrika Korps will always be tainted for the country/system they fought for and were supported by and no amount of bleach/white-wash can get rid of that stain. Girls und Panzer/Weaboos on the other hand and players who have no interest in the name apart from an anime is a different ball-game to an extent, so attempting to connect the two, is a disservice to Khai/Skae and others here imho. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
丂ħ̧i̧₣ɫ̵γ͘ ̶™ Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Roquentin said: Like Shifty had Hyperborea to troll and see if he could get away with the invocation of estoeric Nazism but the type of people who surrounded him did have the real beliefs even if it's doubtful that Shifty himself is a believer in fascism in the real world, he was still doing stuff that caused him to be in that orbit. The alliance was supposed to be based on ancient aliens and the conspiracy theory of ancient humans from space who left pyramids and micro dyson sphere civilizations under Antarctica. There wasn't fascism in the alliance, the whole government system was that I was the sole leader and the physical incarnation of god throughout the existence of humanity. It had a slight homage to Highlander. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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