Popular Post Kastor Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:28:31 PM Article I - Official Surrender 1. The alliances of Arrgh, Church of Spaceology, Empyrea, The Fighting Pacifists, The Golden Horde, Grumpy Old Bastards, Guardian, Oblivion, The Knights Radiant, Knights Templar, Rose, Seven Kingdoms, Silenzio, Soup Kitchen, and Valinor (hereafter referred to as “Anti-Memesphere”) must provide an official admission of defeat to New Pacific Order, Orange Defense Network, Black Knights, Afrika Korps, Mythic, The Commonwealth, Goon Squad, GOONS, Camelot, Acadia, Dark Brotherhood, Guardians of the Galaxy, United Purple Nations, United Socialist Nations, Solar Knights, Yakuza, The Hanseatic League, Strickland Propane, Guinea Pig Whaling Corp, and Polaris (hereafter referred to as “Memesphere”). This will be done through individual sphere announcements on the Foreign Affairs subforum of the P&W forums or through separate announcements. 2.The announcement, as described in Article I section 1, must be made public within 24 hours of Anti-Memesphere agreeing to the terms of this treaty. a. All Chaos Bloc Alliances of Anti-Memesphere must include a statement recognizing that their CB was outdated and therefore invalid b. All KETOG Alliances of Anti-Memesphere must include a statement recognizing that there was no conspiracy to attack them and that they maliciously twisted the meaning of the leak and therefore their CB is invalid c. Rose must admit that they only joined the war because they thought they were bandwagoning in on an easy win and that they had no CB whatsoever underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:28:37 PM +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:28:37 PM(edited 11/2/2019, 4:21:46 PM) Article II - Cessation of hostilities 1. Once the Terms of Article I and any other sections of this treaty that specify that they must be completed before a cessation of hostilities have been fulfilled, no new wars are to be declared between members of Memesphere and Anti-Memesphere. 2. In the event a new war is declared it will be peaced out immediately and treble damages must be paid by the aggressors alliance to the defenders. 3. No new wars are to be declared by Memesphere and Anti-Memesphere against the protectorates of the opposing side, once the Terms of Article II in this treaty have been fulfilled. Likewise, no new wars are to be declared by the protectorates. 4. In order to avoid new war declarations once the Terms of Article II in this treaty have been fulfilled, alliances that are aligned to either coalition, (e.g. 1-nation alliances with the task of hiding banks), and have no official treaties with that coalition, have to: a. either merge back into their original alliance; b. or get a Protectorate pact (in-game mechanic) with an alliance; c. or explicitly state in their alliance description their relation with their parent alliance. In this case, the parent alliance also has to explicitly state in the corresponding alliance description its relation with that specific alliance. 5. All wars that are still active after the cessation of hostilities can either end with defeat, expiration or peace agreement at the discretion of the nations involved in such wars. 6. Any alliances directly affected by this treaty which change their official name or merge with another alliance in the future will still be bound by all terms of this treaty. underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:28:51 PM drafted these opening terms underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:29:08 PM this is for chaos/ketog/rose/arrgh only underlordgc11/2/2019, 12:30:28 PM still filling out the rest of the document, but once those two are passed we can begin with the peace negotiations underlordgc11/2/2019, 4:22:26 PM Modified article 2 slightly, reworded 1 and added a new section 2 pushing the other numbers down underlordgc11/2/2019, 4:24:11 PM also, please only 1 vote per alliance, if ur not leader no vote plz k tnx underlordgc11/4/2019, 10:46:59 PM +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ underlordgc11/4/2019, 10:48:32 PM Article III - NAP 1. All parties of Anti-Memesphere and Memesphere, except for mythic, agree to a 12 month Non-Aggression Pact following the cessation of hostilities. A. GOONS may announce Shark Week within two weeks after the cessation of hostilities and anyone who is deemed a bad poster by them may get raided by GOONS. B. When Shark Week is announced, GOONS has 24 hours to designate bad posters on the OWF for raids. C. After hour 24, those who GOONS has deemed as bad posters will be raided by GOONS, no war declarations may occur after hour 48, to ensure conclusion of shark week by day 7. These raids cannot be countered. D. At the conclusion of day 7, all parties (GOONS and bad posters) go their separate ways. E. GOONS and their raiders will be protected by the NAP both before, during, and after Shark Week 2. The Non-Aggression Pact will automatically extend to all protectorates of the signatory alliances. 3. Any protectorates signed by the signatory alliances after the cessation of hostilities will automatically be included into the Non-Aggression Pact as well. underlordgc11/4/2019, 10:49:21 PM The Nap article and exceptions (mythic and the GOONS term) underlordgc11/4/2019, 10:54:05 PM also, I'm going to close article 1 and 2 as passed tomorrow morning. if you are not comfortable with it or think something should be changed discuss it in #abduction-committee underlordgc11/4/2019, 10:55:46 PM also if you think something can be reworded better /gramatically fixed cough article 2 section 1cough feel free to discuss it as well, until we actually submit a term to the otherside that stuff is fair game imho underlordgc11/4/2019, 11:00:54 PM Oh, and before I forget, article IV is physical and material reperations, so dm me asap since I intend to get that up for voting tommorow underlordgc11/13/2019, 9:49:18 PM This is where the fun begins ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ underlordgc11/13/2019, 9:50:18 PM(edited 11/14/2019, 9:04:00 PM) Article IV - Physical & Material Reparations 1. The following terms must be completed in full before the cessation of hostilities may occur A. The Golden Horde will give GOONS $500 Million as punishment for the $50 Million they refused to pay which caused GOONS to be involved in the first place. B. Church of Spaceology and Valinor will pay a total of $500 Million as reparations to UPN. C. Soup Kitchen will repay $50 million to UPN. D. Soup Kitchen will repay $300 million to TCW. E. Knights Templar will return all money and resources looted from Polaris’s bank AAs during the war. F. Knights Templar will return the $2 billion stolen from TTO to UPN who shall justly distribute the funds to their former members. G. Knight Templar must send 1848 food in 1848 separate transactions to the United Socialist Nations in celebration of the publication of the Communist Manifesto H. Anti-Memsphere must feed the African children. Provided with a total of 5 Million food, the hunger of Afrika Korp’s children will be quenched for years. 2. Mythic retains the ability to raid any nation of the Anti-Memesphere alliances over 7 days inactive without facing counters. Now you know what the terms are. You're welcome. 3 19 25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Callisto Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Can't get us to accept outrageous peace terms when you don't even offer them to us in good faith. Guess GOONS will never get their Shark Week and Polaris will never get their bank back, what a shame. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Filmore Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 I can see why Ketog and Chaos refuse to accept those terms now 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Storm Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 that's some ballsy shit lmao I love it. I wonder if peace is being held up for all the reasons leaders on both sides are pontificating about, or if its being held up by KT literally not having that much money. ? 4 2 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Prefonteen Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) And tS' terms? What's funny is that this is only 4 out if 10 articles. Edited December 2, 2019 by Prefonteen 4 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Damon I Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 Where's the paper shredder? 2 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Lol no wonder KERCHTOG doesn't want to accept the terms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xea Evangelos Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Screw off. Don't know how you expect any terms to be accepted when you can't draft anything reasonable. Giving GOONS any special clauses is an affront on any honor Coalition B may have had. Hopefully Coalition B just collapses and turns in on itself. Sincerely, John Rambo, John McClane, John Wayne, Columbo, and John Deere. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Callisto Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 I've played this game for 5 years, mostly for the sense of community that I got from all of the alliances that I was in. This war spits in the face of all of that. It is clear and obvious that NPO, IQ, whatever you want to call them, just wants to drive me and others out of this game, simply because of what alliance we have chosen. Why NPO and IQ? Why do you care so much about driving other alliances out of the game? It's a damn game, get over the fact that you have only ever won one world conflict. Move on, end this conflict gracefully, what more do any of us have to gain by dragging out this conflict. I'm simply fed up. I can't accurately explain exactly how I feel about this entire thing, and I know that this post will either be ignored, or laughed at by people in the other coalition, but damn I have held this shit in for way too long. No matter how much I might want to quit to get away from the toxicity that is developing, I wont, simply because I hope that things can go back to how they used to be, and because I really don't want to leave the community my alliance has crafted. End the war. 1 2 50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper_ Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) Wow those are some nice Surrender, NAP and Meme Terms. I can see why you didn't want to negotiate the terms all together now. Putting reparations for a defensive war is not a good look. Also, can someone explain to me why someone as irrelevant as UPN has the gumption to demand 2.5 billion in reparations. Edited December 2, 2019 by Cooper_ 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filmore Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cooper_ said: Wow those are some nice Surrender, NAP and Meme Terms. I can see why you didn't want to negotiate the terms all together now. Putting reparations for a defensive war is not a good look. Also, can someone explain to me why someone as irrelevant as UPN has the gumption to demand 2.8 billion in reparations. Because they're obviously broke and need some fat stacks for their rebuild Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinx Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Cooper_ said: Wow those are some nice Surrender, NAP and Meme Terms. I can see why you didn't want to negotiate the terms all together now. Putting reparations for a defensive war is not a good look. Also, can someone explain to me why someone as irrelevant as UPN has the gumption to demand 2.8 billion in reparations. Just want to point out you don't know any of the contexts behind what people wanted. I wont speak for UPN, but TCW had a member who left owing us money who joined Soup, we intend to reclaim that debt which is a pretty standard measure. 1 minute ago, Filmore said: Because they're obviously broke and need some fat stacks for their rebuild Doubt Again wont speak for other alliances but TCW is quite well taken care of. 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Avakael Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 Imagine drafting terms so ludicrous that nobody even notices the 12 month NAP. 1 32 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodor Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Frankly, I don't think these are terrible except for the fact that we can't negotiate them as a whole. I mean I don't see a world where bank loot is returned or a 12 month NAP is signed, but negotiations always open with the most extreme stances and are narrowed down to a reasonable middle ground. However, given these are terms 1-4 and there are 6 more, well I could very well see myself proven wrong by the sheer amount of extremes. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majima Goro Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 We should let the war go on just so Kastor can run out of leaks. Just saying. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftbehind Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Avakael said: Imagine drafting terms so ludicrous that nobody even notices the 12 month NAP. No doubt. I shook my head so hard that I almost snapped my neck. 1 Quote FORMER LEADER OF COTL. PLEASE GROW INTERNALLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Avakael Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 Just now, Hodor said: Frankly, I don't think these are terrible except for the fact that we can't negotiate them as a whole. I mean I don't see a world where bank loot is returned or a 12 month NAP is signed, but negotiations always open with the most extreme stances and are narrowed down to a reasonable middle ground. However, given these are terms 1-4 and there are 6 more, well I could very well see myself proven wrong by the sheer amount of extremes. Wait, so this isn't even half of them? What the hell comes after this? 1 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper_ Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Sphinx said: Just want to point out you don't know any of the contexts behind what people wanted. I wont speak for UPN, but TCW had a member who left owing us money who joined Soup, we intend to reclaim that debt which is a pretty standard measure. No one said anything about TcW. Don't worry you got the military rep back! Although you might consider not putting debt repayment under the article for reparations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sphinx Posted December 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Cooper_ said: No one said anything about TcW. Don't worry you got the military rep back! Although you might consider not putting debt repayment under the article for reparations. You're TKR's FA low gov, you should know being snarky to someone who is obviously more sympathetic to Colo A's side than others in Colo B isn't the brightest of ideas. Its more fun when someone like @Mhearl does it since he comes across both sarcastically and serious. ;,p Also if people want to nit pick over which heading a term is placed under then you know you're being pedantic. Edited December 2, 2019 by Sphinx 1 4 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxalot Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Saxplayer said: Can't get us to accept outrageous peace terms when you don't even offer them to us in good faith. Guess GOONS will never get their Shark Week and Polaris will never get their bank back, what a shame. I like that a tiny amount of reparations is considered "outrageous peace terms" that are "destroying the game" Keep fighting the good fight! Edited December 2, 2019 by Marxalot 1 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singha Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 26 minutes ago, Leftbehind said: No doubt. I shook my head so hard that I almost snapped my neck. Get a doctor, some medicine, and a neck brace... "All my f'ing headbangers break yo f'ing neck beech!" xD All joking aside, I kind of cringed a bit as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxalot Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, Cooper_ said: Wow those are some nice Surrender, NAP and Meme Terms. I can see why you didn't want to negotiate the terms all together now. Putting reparations for a defensive war is not a good look. Also, can someone explain to me why someone as irrelevant as UPN has the gumption to demand 2.5 billion in reparations. "We will never accept peace! We have them right where we want them!" - This guy, Dec 2019 2 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 20 minutes ago, Sphinx said: You're TKR's FA low gov, you should know being snarky to someone who is obviously more sympathetic to Colo A's side than others in Colo B isn't the brightest of ideas. Its more fun when someone like @Mhearl does it since he comes across both sarcastically and serious. ;,p Also if people want to nit pick over which heading a term is placed under then you know you're being pedantic. I was just about to ping you. How do you feel about this war and these terms and the way peace talks are going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menhera Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Just to clarify, peace is being held up because IQ2 only presented term 1 and nothing beyond and because they exclude t$ from the rest of the coalition. Not because they can't afford 5mil food for AK 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Coalition A: "We want different wars, not the same sides" Coalition B: "Here have 12 months NAP so we dont have to have the same sided wars for a year" Coalition A: ? thats ridiculous. Personally the terms aren't really that ridiculous and as Hodor says everything always starts at the extreme and gets negotiated. 2 2 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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