Popular Post Prefonteen Posted December 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, Madden8021 said: Yeah, the more the leaks then the more both sides will get people to the table and agree on peace. "Said no one ever" Like the more you leak, the more people will continue this war regardless and peace will be a distant memory to where no one wants peace at all and instead want an endless war to get people to quit P&W. I get what you're saying Madden, but that logic is faulty. If we were to adhere to it, here's what we'd get (and what was occurring): 1. Coal A sues for peace 2. Coal B sets impossible hurdles/finds a reason to tank talks, deliberately delays 3. Peace talks fail 4. Coal B claims coal A is too stubborn/prideful and is delaying talks 5. Coal A can't dispute claim because coal B threatens to further delay talks if contents of talks are shared. 6. Coal A gives in, sues for peace 7. Coal B sets new impossible hurdles/finds a reason to tank talks, deliberately delays 8. Peace talks fail 9. Coal B claims coal A is too stubborn/prideful and is delaying talks and so on. The leaks at this point have proven that there is and has been a deliberate attempt at frustrating peace talks. Public discourse has proven that before the leaks, coal B was blaming coal A for delays. Since the leaks, that narrative has shifted to "WELL YOU ARE LEAKING AND THATS NOT HELPING PEACE". That's illogical. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Anarch Caelum Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Madden8021 said: Actually almost Six Months and if it continues onto the new year then yes, both coalitions are wasting their time and resources since Coalition B and their whales won't stay down while Coalition A is being pummeled to the ground. Sounds like it to both sides anyway. Well, no one can peace out or anything but that's understandable. Whether its a waste of time depends on their objectives I guess, since as you mentioned Coalition A seems like they are being pummeled to the ground mostly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Anarch Caelum Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Madden8021 said: Well, Maybe Coalition A can turn it around since idk who's left in the Whale and or High tier that can take on Coalition B? If I was in Coalition A I would more be thinking along what can still be done rather than expect the enemy to give peace though, although not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) George Clooney Edited December 1, 2019 by Clarke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rollo Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Madden8021 said: Yeah, the more the leaks then the more both sides will get people to the table and agree on peace. "Said no one ever" Proud of the snark you're developing. 3 Quote STFU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thalmor Posted December 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 I don't get why the other side wants us to disband. Yes, if we did disband, all your enemies would be gone. That's a complete victory IC-wise. In the meta though, that's awful. The only people left would be your allies. Would you betray them and roll them? You might 'split' and go separate ways, but you guys were given the chance to do this earlier this year and you guys blew it. Would you guys just farm pixels indefinitely and give the game a slow death? I don't get why you're so scared to fight us again 6 months, or 8 months, or a year later. Use that time to prepare and to try to win. If I was a regular member of Coalition B, I'd be doing some serious soul searching right now. If my alliance was actively working to stall out the game I played, I know I wouldn't like that. The entire reason why I founded KT was to have an alliance outside the then-present political constraints of the time so the game could be more energized and, well, interesting. 2 15 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Raphael Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Thalmor said: I don't get why the other side wants us to disband. Yes, if we did disband, all your enemies would be gone. That's a complete victory IC-wise. In the meta though, that's awful. The only people left would be your allies. Would you betray them and roll them? You might 'split' and go separate ways, but you guys were given the chance to do this earlier this year and you guys blew it. Would you guys just farm pixels indefinitely and give the game a slow death? I don't get why you're so scared to fight us again 6 months, or 8 months, or a year later. Use that time to prepare and to try to win. If I was a regular member of Coalition B, I'd be doing some serious soul searching right now. If my alliance was actively working to stall out the game I played, I know I wouldn't like that. The entire reason why I founded KT was to have an alliance outside the then-present political constraints of the time so the game could be more energized and, well, interesting. Maybe start mass dm’ing nations because no one from that side reads these forums. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cooper_ Posted December 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 7 hours ago, ComradeMilton said: Photoshop. It's just some color sampling for Discord theme, two names, ideas of what CoA thinks Leo and GC say and then measuring roughly how long it's likely to take to type then adding the timestamps. It might take an hour. Giveaways that it's fake are Leo doesn't talk that way. I don't mean the subject matter I mean the style of writing messages. More than three years of DMs with him kind of debunk the whole thing. But look how effective like an hour of Photoshop is when it tells one side what it wants. You don't actually need a CB for a war, you know. I've never understood why people think that it's necessary. Besides what Keegoz replied, didn’t George Clooney already celebrate the loss of members in other alliances in Partisan’s first thread of leaks? I also distinctly remember Pika getting leaks on Coalition B’s intention to continue this war to continue to hurt us. This just continues to confirm what we already knew. It’s not like this is a new trend rather this is just damning evidence. As for CBs, they are an essential part of the strategy of this game. It’s not politics. It’s not war. It’s politics AND war, which implies the prerequisite of diplomatic norms such as CBs, treaties and the like for appropriate gameplay. Without this fundamental agreement of gameplay norms, this game breaks down as we are seeing right now with the peace talks. Go ahead and play WoT if you just want to fight, but don’t ruin this game with the cockamamie bs you are spouting. 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Thalmor said: I don't get why the other side wants us to disband. Yes, if we did disband, all your enemies would be gone. That's a complete victory IC-wise. In the meta though, that's awful. The only people left would be your allies. Would you betray them and roll them? You might 'split' and go separate ways, but you guys were given the chance to do this earlier this year and you guys blew it. Would you guys just farm pixels indefinitely and give the game a slow death? I don't get why you're so scared to fight us again 6 months, or 8 months, or a year later. Use that time to prepare and to try to win. If I was a regular member of Coalition B, I'd be doing some serious soul searching right now. If my alliance was actively working to stall out the game I played, I know I wouldn't like that. The entire reason why I founded KT was to have an alliance outside the then-present political constraints of the time so the game could be more energized and, well, interesting. So one gov member saying they want you to disband, means we all want to disband you? I remember a completely different tone coming out of Coalition A when the same accusation was thrown your way when Sketchy wanted to disband us. Are you seriously trying to grab the high ground on a level plain? I dont think anyone is scared of fighting you in 6 months or more. In fact I'd bet that will be the next war anyway because you will want revenge. As a regular member of Coalition B I dont feel like the game is being stalled out for me. In fact I have more to do in game in war time than I do in peace time due to our collective play style. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooper_ Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiberius said: So one gov member saying they want you to disband, means we all want to disband you? I remember a completely different tone coming out of Coalition A when the same accusation was thrown your way when Sketchy wanted to disband us. Are you seriously trying to grab the high ground on a level plain? I dont think anyone is scared of fighting you in 6 months or more. In fact I'd bet that will be the next war anyway because you will want revenge. As a regular member of Coalition B I dont feel like the game is being stalled out for me. In fact I have more to do in game in war time than I do in peace time due to our collective play style. You have: Leo the Great - Leader of the BK, the central alliance of coalition B TheNG - One of the two designated representatives for Coalition A (along with Sphinx) QueenPhoenixLTS - 2IC of Polaris, and the person who gave NPO the "logs" for them to enter against TKR George Clooney - 2IC of Acadia All of these "one gov members" are agreeing on this stance, and are we to assume that these people are the only ones in that chat? I highly doubt that. All just messages from your own gov for consistency's sake: I think they're exactly right in this case (and Sketchy's too). Edited December 1, 2019 by Cooper_ Formatting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kastor Posted December 1, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 TheNG10/2/2019, 9:56:57 AM Is the plan to get them out ASAP and focus on tS, or keep them down too? Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:57:42 AM Destroy them Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:57:53 AM It’s a bipolar world now Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:57:59 AM We need them dead TheNG10/2/2019, 9:58:51 AM Alright TheNG10/2/2019, 9:59:29 AM There are only two types of alliances in this world - IQ and IQ stats muahahaha Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:59:43 AM Se need to make as many of their members quit as possible Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:59:55 AM T$ has surrounded themselves with bad alliances Aragorn10/2/2019, 10:00:23 AM So we need to break their backs Aragorn10/2/2019, 10:00:43 AM Since next war we are fighting all these alliances from the beginning underlordgc10/2/2019, 10:02:20 AM You want these people to quit the game? BK man bad Aragorn10/2/2019, 10:05:14 AM Pretty sure that’s been established 1 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Leftbehind Posted December 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 1, 2019 23 minutes ago, Tiberius said: So one gov member saying they want you to disband, means we all want to disband you? I remember a completely different tone coming out of Coalition A when the same accusation was thrown your way when Sketchy wanted to disband us. Are you seriously trying to grab the high ground on a level plain? I dont think anyone is scared of fighting you in 6 months or more. In fact I'd bet that will be the next war anyway because you will want revenge. As a regular member of Coalition B I dont feel like the game is being stalled out for me. In fact I have more to do in game in war time than I do in peace time due to our collective play style. The whole idea of "forcing" disbandments are illogical and childish nonsense. All it does is hurt the game. It doesn't matter if it comes from 1 member or all. When it comes from a high ranking government member than it shows how little they care or understand the game as a whole. PnW is a niche game where it's hard to gain and hold members so when these people come out to push others out they hurt it. Doesn't matter which side they are on since to me they are idoits. I think it is pretty obvious that the goal is to cripple any opposition which will stagnate the game. That's why they refused to buy into a more complex political landscape. It was fear driven and much like these logs show that they are still fear driven. The next war will be same sides because of that, it's not revenge but lack of other options. That's my opinion anyways. As to your last point. Sure, during times of war the average member has more to do but that only holds for so long. Players want to war, build and repeat. They don't want to sit for 6 months doing nothing and even the excitement of war grows thin as time goes on. There is absolutely no reason for a war to last longer than a couple of months other than the fulfillment of some people's egos. We make our own entertainment and the quicker people realize that the cycles of rebuild, political reshaping, than collapse leading to war the better off we will be. But sure go ahead and claim that this whole mess is good for the game in general. 1 10 Quote FORMER LEADER OF COTL. PLEASE GROW INTERNALLY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 The contents of those logs are despicable. Regardless of who said it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buorhann Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 9 hours ago, ComradeMilton said: You don't actually need a CB for a war, you know. I've never understood why people think that it's necessary. You’re right, you don’t. But if you plan on having a colossal screwup like this - it helps a lot. 1 Quote Warrior of Dio https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfPCFQfOnLg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalev60 Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Gag order, can´t post muh true feelings, no I have no strong feelings about this one way or another... 1 Quote Charlie Chaplin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Viva Miriya Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: This war has dragged on forever, I'm sure many in both coalition aren't happy with that. Those who peace out separate get attacked, etc. What are you talking about guy? I'm ecstatic I get to kill pixels. Speak for yourself pubbie. 35 minutes ago, Buorhann said: You’re right, you don’t. But if you plan on having a colossal screwup like this - it helps a lot. I lead a GOONS incarnation and started a war because someone said my name 3 times like beetlejuice. Ask Guardian about that game and that war. Ask them how it worked out for them. The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must. I keep telling yall, but yall dont listen. That's the truest and simplest political lesson you will ever receive. Hope it helps. 1 hour ago, Kastor said: TheNG10/2/2019, 9:56:57 AM Is the plan to get them out ASAP and focus on tS, or keep them down too? Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:57:42 AM Destroy them Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:57:53 AM It’s a bipolar world now Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:57:59 AM We need them dead TheNG10/2/2019, 9:58:51 AM Alright TheNG10/2/2019, 9:59:29 AM There are only two types of alliances in this world - IQ and IQ stats muahahaha Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:59:43 AM Se need to make as many of their members quit as possible Aragorn10/2/2019, 9:59:55 AM T$ has surrounded themselves with bad alliances Aragorn10/2/2019, 10:00:23 AM So we need to break their backs Aragorn10/2/2019, 10:00:43 AM Since next war we are fighting all these alliances from the beginning underlordgc10/2/2019, 10:02:20 AM You want these people to quit the game? BK man bad Aragorn10/2/2019, 10:05:14 AM Pretty sure that’s been established Welcome to the game Politics & War. If you are shocked by these screens, you are naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Viva Miriya Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Thalmor said: I don't get why the other side wants us to disband. Yes, if we did disband, all your enemies would be gone. That's a complete victory IC-wise. In the meta though, that's awful. The only people left would be your allies. Would you betray them and roll them? You might 'split' and go separate ways, but you guys were given the chance to do this earlier this year and you guys blew it. Would you guys just farm pixels indefinitely and give the game a slow death? I don't get why you're so scared to fight us again 6 months, or 8 months, or a year later. Use that time to prepare and to try to win. If I was a regular member of Coalition B, I'd be doing some serious soul searching right now. If my alliance was actively working to stall out the game I played, I know I wouldn't like that. The entire reason why I founded KT was to have an alliance outside the then-present political constraints of the time so the game could be more energized and, well, interesting. Die pubbie die. E: why leave an enemy room to recover if you don't have to? Edited December 1, 2019 by Viva Miriya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Viva Miriya said: What are you talking about guy? I'm ecstatic I get to kill pixels. Speak for yourself pubbie. I lead a GOONS incarnation and started a war because someone said my name 3 times like beetlejuice. Ask Guardian about that game and that war. Ask them how it worked out for them. The strong do what they can, and the weak suffer what they must. I keep telling yall, but yall dont listen. That's the truest and simplest political lesson you will ever receive. Hope it helps. Welcome to the game Politics & War. If you are shocked by these screens, you are naive. Not shocked, friend. Just disappointed. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Viva Miriya Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 Just now, Prefonteen said: Not shocked, friend. Just disappointed. Maybe ensure your side actually has real leverage to negotiate with next time, instead of merely being prey for others? Anyway yo, spill all the tea or don't. I want some real tears b, I don't care who they come from @Kastor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prefonteen Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Viva Miriya said: Maybe ensure your side actually has real leverage to negotiate with next time, instead of merely being prey for others? Thank you for the wise lesson. Next time I lead in the lead up to a war, I will take it to heart friend. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Viva Miriya Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Prefonteen said: Thank you for the wise lesson. Next time I lead in the lead up to a war, I will take it to heart friend. Good luck fam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joi Posted December 1, 2019 Share Posted December 1, 2019 4 hours ago, Thalmor said: I don't get why the other side wants us to disband. Yes, if we did disband, all your enemies would be gone. That's a complete victory IC-wise. In the meta though, that's awful. The only people left would be your allies. Would you betray them and roll them? You might 'split' and go separate ways, but you guys were given the chance to do this earlier this year and you guys blew it. Would you guys just farm pixels indefinitely and give the game a slow death? I don't get why you're so scared to fight us again 6 months, or 8 months, or a year later. Use that time to prepare and to try to win. If I was a regular member of Coalition B, I'd be doing some serious soul searching right now. If my alliance was actively working to stall out the game I played, I know I wouldn't like that. The entire reason why I founded KT was to have an alliance outside the then-present political constraints of the time so the game could be more energized and, well, interesting. Hi - I bolded the part that's important. The rest is just a complaint about how world peace means less clicking and can thus be ignored. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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