Popular Post Prefonteen Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited)  A little over a week ago, we detailed the frustration of the peace process in this thread. Our decision to publicise the logs contained within that thread was strongly influenced by the necessity to address structural allegations that coalition A were "at fault" for peace being withheld. Our evidence-based rebuttal has gone largely unaddressed and the nature of the remainder of this war has become increasingly clear. Considering the punitive nature coalition B's approach to the peace process, it is time to begin addressing the foundation of this war. When Chaos and KETOGG ended their own conflict and declared war on BK and The Covenant, its CB was based on logs of Sphinx announcing a plan to hit Chaos sphere along with a a reference to t$/NPO collusion to hit KETOGG. While further evidence of t$/NPO collusion with BK remained absent, the leak in itself provided crystal clear evidence of a BK plot to take advantage of the Chaos/KETOGG war and hit them. Consequently, a state of war was established between KETOGG/Chaos and BK. Spoiler Throughout the war, BK and its allies have attempted to disqualify KETOGG and Chaos' CB by claiming that the logs were obsolete. Statements were made about the logs preceding the KETOGG/Chaos war, about BK having had no plans to make a move at the time of the DoW, along with other half truths. I will leave a series of public posts for your viewing pleasure. Each of the following post references the premise for the war/the CB/the logs in one fashion or another, and either directly claims or implies that the war was unjustified. Spoiler The following logs feature Sphinx (tCW gov) and Alexio (at the time part of the sphere that would become coalition B ) discussing the details of a planned war against Chaos. Sphinx discusses his disagreement with Thanos (Leo, BK) about the date of the attack. According to his account, Sphinx' preference is to hit Chaos right after they rebuild from their war with KETOGG to maximize damage, whereas Thanos wants to hit sooner. The 14th is implied as Thanos' preferred date. These screenshots are dated after Surf's up (May 25th) kicked off. They disprove any claims that the initial Sphinx logs were "outdated and no longer applicable". They directly prove the intention of at least BK and tCW to engage in an aggressive war against Chaos and specifically note TKR. They also identify Thanos' "hard-on for TKR" as a driving factor to the war. Between the initial Sphinx logs and the logs below, it is clear that war planning never stopped. Spoiler At this point, it is beyond doubt that: This war originated from the desire of BK+allied government to destroy TKR, and that Chaos/KETOGG responses were reactionary in nature Many have structurally been lied to about the events which preceded this war. Coalition B seeks to apply punitive measures to defeated Coalition A forces and has been frustrating the peace process Coalition B has been lying about its frustration of the peace process, and has attempted to pin delays on Coalition A (as evidenced by the thread linked at the start of this post) We at the $yndicate have no illusions about our military prospects or about the political consolidation we are seeing at the moment. Irrespective of its position however, The $yndicate will not allow its allies or coalition partners to be framed for the hegemonic ambitions of its enemies and it will not accept false claims and allegations as undisputed truth under threat of political or military repercussion. Spoiler  Edited November 28, 2019 by Prefonteen 2 3 59 2 Quote  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Daniel Storm Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 How many times will Sphinx get log dumped before this war ends. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ripper Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 12 minutes ago, Pop said: How many times will Sphinx get log dumped before this war ends. I don't know. Ask Alexio. 31 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Syrachime Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) This needs to end... This war is unprecedented in every conceivable way in terms of damage, length, and politics. As a result, it is fracturing and destroying the game... The toxicity of everything behind this is sickening and the damage that is being done just gets worse by the day. There comes a point when something has gone too far or on for too long, and I think this war in terms of everything that's been involved in it has gotten to that point. This war needs to end... Edited November 28, 2019 by Syrachime 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wendell Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Syrachime said: There comes a point when something has gone too far or on for too long, and I think this war in terms of everything that's been involved in it has gotten to that point. This war needs to end... The only way this could end is if Coalition B literally runs dry of resources and or members willing to fight. The former being more likely than the latter as most members in Coalition B don't actually play but just push buttons when they are told and go inactive for days. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thalmor Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Syrachime said: This needs to end... This war is unprecedented in every conceivable way in terms of damage, length, and politics. As a result, it is fracturing and destroying the game... That's the point of the war though. Coalition B is committed to damaging and killing off Coalition A as much as possible. It's not a side-effect; it's intentional. 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Viva Miriya Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 30 minutes ago, Syrachime said: This needs to end... This war is unprecedented in every conceivable way in terms of damage, length, and politics. As a result, it is fracturing and destroying the game... The toxicity of everything behind this is sickening and the damage that is being done just gets worse by the day. There comes a point when something has gone too far or on for too long, and I think this war in terms of everything that's been involved in it has gotten to that point. This war needs to end... On the other hand, I dream of war without end. So I appreciate posts like this. Thank you. Have you heard of the Melian Dialogue my dude? Do you know what happened after? Bear that in mind when whining about peace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveth Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Syrachime said: *Snip* Edited November 28, 2019 by Daveth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Storm Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 22 minutes ago, Thalmor said: That's the point of the war though. Coalition B is committed to damaging and killing off Coalition A as much as possible. It's not a side-effect; it's intentional. Would you say we're scorching the Earth? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Anarch Caelum Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Could maybe some BK/TKR alliance be possible after all? I don't think BK & allies have much reason to like GOONS or trust them. If the war lasts long enough, seeing a shift of allies would''t be completely out of the realm of possibility. If I was BK I wouldn't trust GOONS at all post war & have an open mind to maybe a change from the status quo if allying some of the other PnW based alliances was a real possibility. GOONS report everything culture I would think in opposition to BK's meme culture as well. Since GOONS report all the jokes as well. BK & allies can't be blind to the damaging nature of the GOONS invasion, but mainly stuck fighting with them due to political reasons.  Quote  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cooper_ Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 55 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Could maybe some BK/TKR alliance be possible after all? I don't think BK & allies have much reason to like GOONS or trust them. If the war lasts long enough, seeing a shift of allies would''t be completely out of the realm of possibility. If I was BK I wouldn't trust GOONS at all post war & have an open mind to maybe a change from the status quo if allying some of the other PnW based alliances was a real possibility. GOONS report everything culture I would think in opposition to BK's meme culture as well. Since GOONS report all the jokes as well. BK & allies can't be blind to the damaging nature of the GOONS invasion, but mainly stuck fighting with them due to political reasons.  It was called OO.  Ask Curu how that ended. That being said, if anyone in IQ is actually looking to help change things up, TKR is all ears.  Bipolar worlds just aren’t good for the meta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Anarch Caelum Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 4 minutes ago, Cooper_ said: It was called OO.  Ask Curu how that ended. That being said, if anyone in IQ is actually looking to help change things up, TKR is all ears.  Bipolar worlds just aren’t good for the meta. I don't think BK would have interest in the type of hegemony GOONS/NPO would like to make; so might be a conflict of interest for them at some point. Although not even in their channel anymore, so no idea what they might actually do. Quote  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Meat Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: I don't think BK would have interest in the type of hegemony GOONS/NPO would like to make; so might be a conflict of interest for them at some point. Although not even in their channel anymore, so no idea what they might actually do. "Why do I keep getting all these warnings? Can't be my fault, must be GOONS fault." proceeds to derail every topic ever posted into a conversation about GOONS surprisedpikachu.jpg 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Anarch Caelum Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, Salt Meat said: "Why do I keep getting all these warnings? Can't be my fault, must be GOONS fault." proceeds to derail every topic ever posted into a conversation about GOONS surprisedpikachu.jpg You guys tend to advertise the most blatant you want a One World Order; although not really sure of other alliances in your coalition who'd also favor a UniPolar world. I just know I've been told by BK gov they don't do hegemonies in the past, although obviouslly they'll act based on the situation & self interests. Although that might be using moderation as a weapon if you're threatening to report people for bringing up your name in relation to the war. (Also shows how absurd you guys are with the reporting if that's the type of stuff,, lol) Quote  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Meat Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: You guys tend to advertise the most blatant you want a One World Order; although not really sure of other alliances in your coalition who'd also favor a UniPolar world. I just know I've been told by BK gov they don't do hegemonies in the past, although obviouslly they'll act based on the situation & self interests. Although that might be using moderation as a weapon if you're threatening to report people for bringing up your name in relation to the war. (Also shows how absurd you guys are with the reporting if that's the type of stuff,, lol) I'm not threatening anything, I'm saying this topic has nothing to do with us, nor does every other single topic you feel the need to derail into a conversation about us. You made a thread complaining about all the warnings you've gotten, and somehow concluded that it's our fault, not the fact that you can't manage to post in a topic about puppies without bringing up that GOONS probably eats them. Anyway, best of luck to Syndicate and BK in sorting your differences. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctis Anarch Caelum Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Just now, Salt Meat said: I'm not threatening anything, I'm saying this topic has nothing to do with us, nor does every other single topic you feel the need to derail into a conversation about us. You made a thread complaining about all the warnings you've gotten, and somehow concluded that it's our fault, not the fact that you can't manage to post in a topic about puppies without bringing up that GOONS probably eats them. Anyway, best of luck to Syndicate and BK in sorting your differences. I think you guys and NPO are just playing from a different mindset than most of the other alliances, who are thinking a BiPolar World as the worst outcome. Although think NPO/GOONS decided to go for a UniPolar world when signing the Unjust Path, lol you're sensitive to GOONS being considered related to the global war. Quote  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRM Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Noctis/Goons. Pls stay on topic. If you cannot, get a room. In other words, gtfo. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Meat Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: I think you guys and NPO are just playing from a different mindset than most of the other alliances, who are thinking a BiPolar World as the worst outcome. Although think NPO/GOONS decided to go for a UniPolar world when signing the Unjust Path, lol you're sensitive to GOONS being considered related to the global war. I can fairly confidently say that no, we are not related to the CB/justification for a war that started months before we existed.  3 minutes ago, Mr. Goober said: Noctis/Goons. Pls stay on topic. If you cannot, get a room. In other words, gtfo. Sorry, this is why we can't have nice things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitsuru Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Could maybe some BK/TKR alliance be possible after all? No. Next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Titan Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mitsuru said: No. Next. TKR doesn’t sign subhumans, right Mitsuru? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alyster Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 (edited) At first day Partisan spoke up for Coalition B. Partisan saw that the post was good and he separated upvotes from downvotes. On the second day Partisan said "Let there be vault between t$ and NPO" and Partisan cancelled their treaty. He called t$ as Home and NPO as liars. And Partisan saw that it was good. On the third day Partisan said "Let the land produce log dumps: show people the true colours of tCW. and BK" And it was so. And Partisan saw that it was good.  Book of Genesis. @Prefonteen you've set the bar high. However you only get to take the day 7 off for a much needed rest. I expect new good topic tomorrow. Edited November 28, 2019 by alyster 5 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, Leo the Great said: TKR doesn’t sign subhumans, right Mitsuru? I know you are running out of lies/excuses, etc. but are you really going to play "your advertisement hurt my feelings, you have to pay" card? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard J Crabs Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 It sure is telling that the losing side wants the war to end. Have you tried capitulating on terms yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripper Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 20 minutes ago, Leonard J Crabs said: It sure is telling that the losing side wants the war to end. Have you tried capitulating on terms yet? So, your suggestion is that the "losing side" should just stay silent and let the "winning side" hide the truth? Surprised a member of Goons would support such a stance. I will keep it in mind. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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