endorsementova Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Wouldn't expect goons to get a joke even when its spelled out right in front of them. right, just as mandatory gay space communism is an actual thing in goons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
True King Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Just now, endorsementova said: right, just as mandatory gay space communism is an actual thing in goons You guys are doing a great job with your reputation attempting to introduce me to the concept of a joke in response to a joke you guys are unable to understand; even having it spelled out for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonshardz Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 56 minutes ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Wouldn't expect goons to get a joke even when its spelled out right in front of them. Whereas you, an intellectual, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Karl VII Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Being straight should be a crime . OwO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Splendid Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Noctis Anarch Caelum said: Wouldn't expect goons to get a joke even when its spelled out right in front of them. You've literally brandished the same quote in at least two different threads presenting it as "evidence". Would anyone like to tell him what the code for that smiley at the bottom is? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandystalin Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 The problem with, well any ideology be it political religious etc, is that it is implemented by people. When the Revolution began in Russia, it started up in accordance with dogma. Communes being in charge, the mansions and palaces of the rich being used to house the poor, etc etc. But sadly you then got fighting between various 'Communist' factions, plus the 'Reds vs Whites' war, and what came out of that was tight state control. And it was goodbye Communism, hello dictatorship. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Basically, any utopian scheme only works with a small group of like-minded people, and rarely survives successive generations. Because people love to conflict. There is a jokey story that covers it nicely: If there were two people who crashed into the sea, one would want to swim to an island so they could maybe survive, while the other would want to swim out into the shipping lanes so they could maybe be picked up by a ship 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham Dim Sum Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Mandystalin said: The problem with, well any ideology be it political religious etc, is that it is implemented by people. When the Revolution began in Russia, it started up in accordance with dogma. Communes being in charge, the mansions and palaces of the rich being used to house the poor, etc etc. But sadly you then got fighting between various 'Communist' factions, plus the 'Reds vs Whites' war, and what came out of that was tight state control. And it was goodbye Communism, hello dictatorship. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Basically, any utopian scheme only works with a small group of like-minded people, and rarely survives successive generations. Because people love to conflict. There is a jokey story that covers it nicely: If there were two people who crashed into the sea, one would want to swim to an island so they could maybe survive, while the other would want to swim out into the shipping lanes so they could maybe be picked up by a ship But have you tried Ayn Rand, comrade? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdi Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Communism is not human nature,people in power always get hungry its a flawed ideology 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaurg Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 Hearting your own post is a powerful move. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJJ Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Upon learning that Communists have done bad things I am taking time to reconsider my entire world view. ....... Nope still sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandystalin Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 13 hours ago, DJJ said: Upon learning that [insert organisation or movement of your choice] have done bad things I am taking time to reconsider my entire world view. ....... Nope still sounds good to me. Fixed it for you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/18/2019 at 10:05 AM, DJJ said: Upon learning that Communists have done bad things I am taking time to reconsider my entire world view. ....... Nope still sounds good to me. Communists haven't merely done bad things, they've never actually done anything else. That's the problem. And you're no exception, for sure. (Capitalists have done only bad things too though I will admit.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, Sir Scarfalot said: Communists haven't merely done bad things, they've never actually done anything else. That's the problem. The fact that you believe that rips any credibility you have in a discussion on the merits of Communism (and Capitalism) to pieces. You're clearly not unbiased. Maybe you should take some time to reconsider and come back when you've reached a more mature point of view. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Big Brother said: The fact that you believe that rips any credibility you have in a discussion on the merits of Communism (and Capitalism) to pieces. You're clearly not unbiased. Maybe you should take some time to reconsider and come back when you've reached a more mature point of view. It doesn't require an unbiased point of view to see something blatantly obvious, and when something is utterly obvious there's no way to actually be unbiased outside of willful ignorance. Both (strict) capitalism and (strict) communism are identical in that both are top-down management styles, both are incapable of affording basic decency to the peasants as any attempt to do so results in an inevitable and unavoidable loss of power on the part of the progressives wanting to do so, and both are inevitably and unavoidably systems designed to concentrate power against the interests of the majority. Trying to believe anything else is simply willful ignorance. Edited December 24, 2019 by Sir Scarfalot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Brother Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Sir Scarfalot said: It doesn't require an unbiased point of view to see something blatantly obvious, and when something is utterly obvious there's no way to actually be unbiased outside of willful ignorance. Both (strict) capitalism and (strict) communism are identical in that both are top-down management styles, both are incapable of affording basic decency to the peasants as any attempt to do so results in an inevitable and unavoidable loss of power on the part of the progressives wanting to do so, and both are inevitably and unavoidably systems designed to concentrate power against the interests of the majority. Trying to believe anything else is simply willful ignorance. Except it's not obvious and you thinking that is the result of pre-existing bias. If you are to have any serious discussion on the topic you need to at least be able to pretend or consider that both good and bad things have been done in the name of both Communism and Capitalism, as opposed to the infantile notion that "all X is Y". You just showed that you can't even define the aspects of Communism correctly. It's not a top down management style, Communism seeks to establish a flat structure without hierarchies and if they're not trying to establish that, it's not Communism. Why you think anyone would take you seriously when it's clear you refuse to acknowledge the facts of these ideologies is beyond me. What is really wilful ignorance, as I mentioned above, is your refusal to even consider that what you believe to be so obvious to everyone actually isn't the truth. Frankly, if this is what you have to contribute (if you can even call it a contribution), you are better left ignored until you start getting serious. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJJ Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 8 hours ago, Sir Scarfalot said: Communists haven't merely done bad things, they've never actually done anything else. That's the problem. And you're no exception, for sure. (Capitalists have done only bad things too though I will admit.) Being the main driving force behind the destruction of the Nazis is a pretty big "nothing else" Controversial on this forum I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 12:01 PM, DJJ said: Being the main driving force behind the destruction of the Nazis is a pretty big "nothing else" Controversial on this forum I know. Being the main driving force behind the success of the Nazis in the early war is a fairly big thing that you're evidently unaware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Scarfalot Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 5:44 AM, Big Brother said: Except it's not obvious and you thinking that is the result of pre-existing bias. If you are to have any serious discussion on the topic you need to at least be able to pretend or consider that both good and bad things have been done in the name of both Communism and Capitalism, as opposed to the infantile notion that "all X is Y". You just showed that you can't even define the aspects of Communism correctly. It's not a top down management style, Communism seeks to establish a flat structure without hierarchies and if they're not trying to establish that, it's not Communism. Why you think anyone would take you seriously when it's clear you refuse to acknowledge the facts of these ideologies is beyond me. What is really wilful ignorance, as I mentioned above, is your refusal to even consider that what you believe to be so obvious to everyone actually isn't the truth. Frankly, if this is what you have to contribute (if you can even call it a contribution), you are better left ignored until you start getting serious. See, what you're trying to argue is the disingenuous fallacy that communism somehow is what it says it 'seeks' to be. It has almost never honestly made that attempt, let alone succeeded (Gorbachev did make the honest attempt. Failed, but he was honest about it for once). The fact of that ideology, whatever its propaganda, is nothing more than a front to establish an utterly strict hierarchy where those in control have all of the power and those that aren't have none, or at least is unavoidably a tool for that establishment (see: Trotsky, Gorbachev). Any attempt at actively causing communism isn't even consistent with the writings of Marx, who declared that communism could not be forced nor delayed but was inevitable 'when the time is right'. The vagueness of the conditions defining 'when' has constantly been abused by disingenuous autocrats declaring that now is the time, and therefore everyone has to get on the communism train right now or else be left behind since victory is inevitable oboi oboi hype hype. Upon which victory they form a system that has strict heirarchies, no social mobility, and no rights for those at the bottom of their new dystopia, and therefore has nothing in common with theoretical communism whatsoever. Therefore, in light of the consistent failure of theoretically accurate communism, it is abundantly clear that anyone actively working towards 'communism' is either ignorant and misled, or else a disingenuous autocrat that doesn't genuinely believe in communism as a theoretical construct whatsoever and merely intends to use the appearance of such belief as a tool to mislead and undermine the interests of the former group. Why you think anyone would take you seriously when you refuse to acknowledge the facts and logic against your position is beyond me, but if you're unwilling to accept the possibility that people are willing to take advantage of other people and that 'communism' is a perfect tool for that then I'd love to see your bridge collection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joi Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, Sir Scarfalot said: everyone has to get on the communism train right now or else be left behind since victory is inevitable oboi oboi hype hype That's right: Ride the choo-choo! ??????? Edited December 26, 2019 by Supreme Master Joi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJJ Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Ah yes the incredibly complex discussion of Nazi / Soviet relations and your laughable "main driving force" line vs the cold hard fact that the USSR provided the bulk of the destruction to the Nazi war machine. Lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrade Joe Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I am 100% in favor of an alliance that has a mandatory Gay Space Communism requirement. We weren't strict with that enough in CoS 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redarmy Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 12:18 PM, Comrade Joe said: I am 100% in favor of an alliance that has a mandatory Gay Space Communism requirement. We weren't strict with that enough in CoS I know. What the frick is wrong with me. 3 Quote "Though it starts with a fist it must end with your mind." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaurg Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 Reporting live from the Goon's straight re-education camps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chernomor Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 Contemplating whether I should take the OP seriously and respond or let it slide... ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiril Kolus Posted January 23, 2020 Share Posted January 23, 2020 It's interesting to me how the naysayers always pick the authoritarian regimes to decry leftism/communism. You never discuss the DemSoc policies of countries like Sweden or the success of socialist policies elsewhere. I always found it as an interesting form of cherry-picking, though admittedly in your defense the stalinist-leninist regime did use the label first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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