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An Announcement from Coalition A Regarding Peace Talks

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5 hours ago, Prefonteen said:

That too was denied us :)

Guess you guys are food then.

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1 minute ago, Viva Miriya said:

Guess you guys are food then.

I hope I taste good, friend!

8 minutes ago, brucemna said:

Where is faith when people are posting here things such as logs and everything else.  Agian this are the se semantics from page one amd so forth. Agian putting the blame somewhere by someone. Why u may be shut out is because ur trying and others are trying to bargain here. If anything I  supprosed no one has turned this to say u must be weak amd desperate to be here in a open forum. Dont get me wrong if the rest of ur side is not standing by u .. hell that is a great trait but there comes a moment to maybe say fine accept the process the other side says. I think amd this is just a opinion.. if the rest of ur coalition does do there part a.d follow the process I would in their case make the final agreement contingent on a peace deal with u.  Ia saying this amd I am sure someone will tell me that I  wrong but u took a stance too quick without going through the process right from the get go.  I think once ur other members of ur coalition had a conditional agreement u would of been next.  I can say the dog jumped over the fence but 10 people will tell me a different color of the dog or fence or types. Hence the perception and reading of the leaked logs really mean nothing. 

 

I'm sorry. These things were posted after 20 days of silence. There was ample time in which good faith was given and not reciprocated. That's roughly where any argument or justification ends.

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1 hour ago, George Clooney said:

Is that what you call sharing around to the general public raw chat logs of conversation that have OOC personally identifiable information in them, "entertainment"?  What next, you going to contact someone abusive ex-husband to try to get dirt on one of us? 

Our "goal", you twit, was never to force disband or force delete anyone out of this damn game.  Period.  In a moment of utter frustration after months of war, playing whack-a-mole over and over again with members of your coalition while you went from claiming to be winning to claiming to be winning statistically, going months without any contact, to offering surrender but only under certain conditions, then breaking off all negotiations, I said the obvious--I speculated that the only way the members of my coalition were ever going to get peace was to end you as alliances, since it was apparent that you utterly refuse to talk peace.

We set the terms for negotiations, you don't.  That's what happens when you lose a war and no third party offers mediation.  The really stupid part was that you don't have to be an e-lawyer to know that no peace treaty is done until it is signed.  If by the time you saw all the provisions and the agreed to terms, and you didn't like what you saw, you could have walked away.  What's the worst that happens, we keep fighting?  We're doing that now.  You might have gotten peace had you negotiated.  Now, I could give a shit whether there is a peace of not.

I didn't know this is how it all went down! Wow! Coalition A, be thankful people are still willing to be reasonable with you!

Personally I'd have taken this treatment as a great reason to break you all, until your membership individually surrendered and left you all. Nations get destroyed everyday b. Alliances come and go. A player who wants a fair shake in this game can get one and join up with whomever they wish, IMO. They need homes, not necessarily your leadership.

This sort of bellicose nature is why I'm not authorized to make foreign policy and my words are mine and mine alone. That said, I hope it gives our mutual friends some ideas. Because as far as I'm concerned: you guys are worthless. The sooner your members abandon you, the better.

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3 minutes ago, Prefonteen said:

I hope I taste good, friend!

I'm sorry. These things were posted after 20 days of silence. There was ample time in which good faith was given and not reciprocated. That's roughly where any argument or justification ends.

The question is when did  the rest of ur coalition walk away when u werfound out the u were to be separated from the main talks.  Thiugh I do understand at the point they backed of but that would mean 20 days is mute amd it would of been up to ur side to now accept the process that was given to ur side. I guess in a round about way would ur side now consider the separation in talks on condition as long as nothing is final til peace is made with all .... 

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4 minutes ago, brucemna said:

The question is when did  the rest of ur coalition walk away when u werfound out the u were to be separated from the main talks.  Thiugh I do understand at the point they backed of but that would mean 20 days is mute amd it would of been up to ur side to now accept the process that was given to ur side. I guess in a round about way would ur side now consider the separation in talks on condition as long as nothing is final til peace is made with all .... 

No, they didn't walk away when they found out. They indulged in this coalition B power trip with the a expectation that t$ would at least be given the courtesy of terms. That courtesy wasn't given, and the many leaked logs showed that there was no intent to give us terms anytime soon.

 

The big problem to us isn't just the process itself. It's that a lot of logs have been leaked which clearly show that the intent of coalition B is to extend the war and/or kill us off. Can you blame us for being up in arms about that?

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1 minute ago, Prefonteen said:

No, they didn't walk away when they found out. They indulged in this coalition B power trip with the a expectation that t$ would at least be given the courtesy of terms. That courtesy wasn't given, and the many leaked logs showed that there was no intent to give us terms anytime soon.

 

The big problem to us isn't just the process itself. It's that a lot of logs have been leaked which clearly show that the intent of coalition B is to extend the war and/or kill us off. Can you blame us for being up in arms about that?

 

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2 minutes ago, Prefonteen said:

No, they didn't walk away when they found out. They indulged in this coalition B power trip with the a expectation that t$ would at least be given the courtesy of terms. That courtesy wasn't given, and the many leaked logs showed that there was no intent to give us terms anytime soon.

 

The big problem to us isn't just the process itself. It's that a lot of logs have been leaked which clearly show that the intent of coalition B is to extend the war and/or kill us off. Can you blame us for being up in arms about that?

No to a point but regardless how u word it the rest of ur coalition did walk away or stop the talks... agian the logs lol ... never mind.  I do understand to a,point but I am going to go outta this world a bit as NPO itself has been separated in talks in many wars amd held to longer wars and worse terms. The making of a great allainceis the resiliency to take it on the chin then habe to aviluty to bounce back .. the out of this world part look at NPO from karma to it's current state.  Read the history just to maybe help u understand that cause u cant always get what u want being g on the losing end but cam ce back and prove ur better and worth if u have the desire. 

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Just now, brucemna said:

No to a point but regardless how u word it the rest of ur coalition did walk away or stop the talks... agian the logs lol ... never mind.  I do understand to a,point but I am going to go outta this world a bit as NPO itself has been separated in talks in many wars amd held to longer wars and worse terms. The making of a great allainceis the resiliency to take it on the chin then habe to aviluty to bounce back .. the out of this world part look at NPO from karma to it's current state.  Read the history just to maybe help u understand that cause u cant always get what u want being g on the losing end but cam ce back and prove ur better and worth if u have the desire. 

That's factually incorrect. NPO never received egregrious terms. The current terms, scale of punishment, and deliberate extension of the war are all unprecedented. This is all verifiable by simply looking at the full terms and comparing those to terms NPO has received in the past.

I have read the history. I was also there for the history. NPO was shown mercy on almost every occasion.

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Just now, Prefonteen said:

That's factually incorrect. NPO never received egregrious terms. The current terms, scale of punishment, and deliberate extension of the war are all unprecedented. This is all verifiable by simply looking at the full terms and comparing those to terms NPO has received in the past.

I have read the history. I was also there for the history. NPO was shown mercy on almost every occasion.

If ur talking this game possibly.  If we are talking which I tried to say about karma it was in CN which the terms given were meant to cripple NPO for years which they did until probally after the doomhiuse war were even agian we were held to a extended war to cripple the upper tier at that time which was a matter of fact done by our current emperor here.  Now NPO in the realm is probally untouchable thanks to time and on emperor actually listening to a peon that instead of trying to beat them let's join them. But that is a older realm compared here were history os still being made.  I think maybe part of the problem here is just cause of the past there seems to be a expectation of entitlement.  Just cause in the past joe blow was treated nice amd so should we.  Well that was yesterday and today is a different day. Agian things change and maybe sometimes going with the flow will make u greater in the future. As a leader one is responsible for his people and his allies.  Meaning all ur leaders need to find a way to sort this out causing less harm to ur people and allies.  Like I mentioned I understand the musical chairs at the beginning and grandstanding but there comes a time when there are no longer any chairs to sit on for anyone..  what is that saying I heard in a movie.  The needs of the many out way the needs of the few ? 

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5 minutes ago, brucemna said:

If ur talking this game possibly.  If we are talking which I tried to say about karma it was in CN which the terms given were meant to cripple NPO for years which they did until probally after the doomhiuse war were even agian we were held to a extended war to cripple the upper tier at that time which was a matter of fact done by our current emperor here.  Now NPO in the realm is probally untouchable thanks to time and on emperor actually listening to a peon that instead of trying to beat them let's join them. But that is a older realm compared here were history os still being made.  I think maybe part of the problem here is just cause of the past there seems to be a expectation of entitlement.  Just cause in the past joe blow was treated nice amd so should we.  Well that was yesterday and today is a different day. Agian things change and maybe sometimes going with the flow will make u greater in the future. As a leader one is responsible for his people and his allies.  Meaning all ur leaders need to find a way to sort this out causing less harm to ur people and allies.  Like I mentioned I understand the musical chairs at the beginning and grandstanding but there comes a time when there are no longer any chairs to sit on for anyone..  what is that saying I heard in a movie.  The needs of the many out way the needs of the few ? 

Karma happened because NPO pull nonsense like this. All we are doing is repeating a cycle the same tired cycle. This isn't that world nor should that world be even used as a talking point in this one. If people choose to hold grudges or compare this one with that than we will do nothing but repeat it. So let's move on. 

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1 minute ago, Leftbehind said:

Karma happened because NPO pull nonsense like this. All we are doing is repeating a cycle the same tired cycle. This isn't that world nor should that world be even used as a talking point in this one. If people choose to hold grudges or compare this one with that than we will do nothing but repeat it. So let's move on. 

Oh I agree.   Dont need to say why karma happened just trying to point out something.  And I doubt that terms here would be as harsh or crippling I would think. Maybe a little history created from the past but at least would be fair I imagine. My hole point is this threads post habe been just a cycle but stubbornness it seems with continue that and even I cam admit as long as it stays the way it is now we gonna be burning war for awhile yet . 

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8 minutes ago, brucemna said:

Oh I agree.   Dont need to say why karma happened just trying to point out something.  And I doubt that terms here would be as harsh or crippling I would think. Maybe a little history created from the past but at least would be fair I imagine. My hole point is this threads post habe been just a cycle but stubbornness it seems with continue that and even I cam admit as long as it stays the way it is now we gonna be burning war for awhile yet 

You can't end a war if the enemy doesn't want it to end. 

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47 minutes ago, Leftbehind said:

You can't end a war if the enemy doesn't want it to end. 

I actually have not seen anything where it says no one wants it to end.  I do see that there was a process that one side seems to not want to follow  and until that is followed then talks will happen 

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This thread has a definitive lack of relevant logs being dumped!

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    Leo the Great10/2/2019, 9:59:43 AM
    Se need to make as many of their members quit as possible

    Leo the Great10/2/2019, 9:59:55 AM
    T$ has surrounded themselves with bad alliances

    Leo the Great10/2/2019, 10:00:23 AM
    So we need to break their backs

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    underlordgc10/2/2019, 8:40:02 PM
    ts has to soley rep their entire coalition

    underlordgc10/2/2019, 8:40:28 PM
    so rather than keegoz/adrine/mrheal/under/gorge

    underlordgc10/2/2019, 8:40:37 PM
    it would be under/gorge/partisan

    underlordgc10/2/2019, 8:41:11 PM
    super memey if we start refusing to reconmize their reps

    Leo the Great10/2/2019, 8:41:16 PM
    sisyphis

    underlordgc10/2/2019, 8:41:22 PM
    def will give us two more months of infra grinding

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    QueenPhoenixLTS10/25/2019, 9:22:19 AM
    I just thought the morale blow to KERCHTOGG once t$ gets not unreasonable terms (and surrenders) would be worth the trade off.
     
    Leo the Great10/25/2019, 9:25:03 AM
    We need their members to quit to
     
    Leo the Great10/25/2019, 9:25:18 AM
    Letting them off easy makes them stronger for the next war
     
    QueenPhoenixLTS10/25/2019, 9:43:49 AM
    Up to you I guess.
     
    QueenPhoenixLTS10/25/2019, 9:44:06 AM

    Having members quit being a war goal is pretty dark, but it will no doubt be beneficial to us.

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    Keshav11/3/2019, 1:02:51 AM
    no, this is a zero sum game
     
    Keshav11/3/2019, 1:03:09 AM
    and in 10 years I don't want to be like  I had that opportunity to kil lthem, andd I didnt hoping they'd be "nice" to us
     
    Keshav11/3/2019, 1:03:11 AM
    frick that shit.
     
    Keshav11/3/2019, 1:03:24 AM
    What benefits the enemy, harms you; and what benefits you, harm the enemy.
     
    ₲ɆØⱤ₲Ɇ11/3/2019, 1:03:34 AM
    I don’t really think we’re being nice
     
    ₲ɆØⱤ₲Ɇ11/3/2019, 1:03:43 AM
    Lol that’s a bit of a overstatement
     
    Keshav11/3/2019, 1:04:17 AM

    I'm in it to ensure they are fricked enough to not be a threat in a few months time.

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    Roquentin10/21/2019, 10:27:09 PM
    like everyone didn't expect this to hapen
     
    Roquentin10/21/2019, 10:27:20 PM
    this has been 3.5 years in the making where we have this type of leverage
     
    Roquentin10/21/2019, 10:27:52 PM

    and it's time to fricking to take out the trash

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    underlordgc11/3/2019, 7:55:58 AM
    Anyways, I can give a link to kertogibdvsujs to join the peace server

    underlordgc11/3/2019, 7:56:43 AM
    And we can just stall them by saying we want people to get organized or some random bs like that

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underlordgc10/24/2019, 12:29:56 PM
I think ketog needs to be removed from the game during this war

underlordgc10/24/2019, 12:30:05 PM
As an entity

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TheNG11/1/2019, 4:46:18 PM
I mean there’s plenty of ways to slow down talks

TheNG11/1/2019, 4:46:29 PM
We have reps demands in our back pocket

TheNG11/1/2019, 4:46:40 PM
The various humiliating joke terms

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underlordgc9/27/2019, 10:07:43 PM
in 3 days they'll have their surrender chance again

underlordgc9/27/2019, 10:08:42 PM(edited 9/27/2019, 10:10:11 PM)
but, october is such an Inauspicious time for surrendering

underlordgc9/27/2019, 10:09:00 PM
November is much better imho

underlordgc9/27/2019, 10:09:33 PM
I propose we replace ng and sphinx with george and myself so that we can ensure their won;t be an october peace

This logdump brought to you by the Council for the Restoration of PURE DECADENCE

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3 minutes ago, ArcKnox said:

This thread has a definitive lack of relevant logs being dumped!

This logdump brought to you by the Council for the Restoration of PURE DECADENCE

And ur point is ? ...  let's refrain a bit. Agian part of the other coalition walked away from the talks. So the talks ceased. Okay they wanted ts included ... understood.  Now regardless of the timing of the talks tell me in ur private channels if it was reverse or even no one has not talked crsp that they know is not going to happen.  Personally I know even people in my own alliance prob want me to quit or other AAs as I  sure I have built resentments somewhere. Logs dont make the peace talks cause it is not going to change cept maybe for someone recieving bad terms.  I would of gotten what I could for peace then dump these then maybe u had a ground to stand on. Now u have just given motive to delay it.

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3 minutes ago, brucemna said:

And ur point is ? ...  let's refrain a bit. Agian part of the other coalition walked away from the talks. So the talks ceased. Okay they wanted ts included ... understood.  Now regardless of the timing of the talks tell me in ur private channels if it was reverse or even no one has not talked crsp that they know is not going to happen.  Personally I know even people in my own alliance prob want me to quit or other AAs as I  sure I have built resentments somewhere. Logs dont make the peace talks cause it is not going to change cept maybe for someone recieving bad terms.  I would of gotten what I could for peace then dump these then maybe u had a ground to stand on. Now u have just given motive to delay it.

Are you even reading the logs friend...

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5 minutes ago, Prefonteen said:

Are you even reading the logs friend...

No need, it's all smoke, no substance.

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1 minute ago, Viva Miriya said:

No need, it's all smoke, no substance.

That makes even less sense than your usual posts, friend....

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2 hours ago, brucemna said:

Where is faith when people are posting here things such as logs and everything else.  Agian this are the se semantics from page one amd so forth. Agian putting the blame somewhere by someone. Why u may be shut out is because ur trying and others are trying to bargain here. If anything I  supprosed no one has turned this to say u must be weak amd desperate to be here in a open forum. Dont get me wrong if the rest of ur side is not standing by u .. hell that is a great trait but there comes a moment to maybe say fine accept the process the other side says. I think amd this is just a opinion.. if the rest of ur coalition does do there part a.d follow the process I would in their case make the final agreement contingent on a peace deal with u.  Ia saying this amd I am sure someone will tell me that I  wrong but u took a stance too quick without going through the process right from the get go.  I think once ur other members of ur coalition had a conditional agreement u would of been next.  I can say the dog jumped over the fence but 10 people will tell me a different color of the dog or fence or types. Hence the perception and reading of the leaked logs really mean nothing. 

 

It's near impossible to have faith once you read the contents of the logs themselves. How is it possible to have faith when a member of NPO's upper gov is advocating prolonging the war simply to eradicate our communities based on some bs presumption we would do likewise when all past evidence indicates otherwise? How is it possible to have faith when Roq paints the forums with posts claiming he doesn't hold a grudge but then a log reveals he has been waiting more than 3 years for this moment?

The truth of the matter is that by revealing these logs, our coalition is holding your coalition's leadership accountable for their words and actions. Something which the members of your own side should be doing but sadly aren't.

Also sup bruce, how long has it been?

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3 minutes ago, Charles the Tyrant said:

It's near impossible to have faith once you read the contents of the logs themselves. How is it possible to have faith when a member of NPO's upper gov is advocating prolonging the war simply to eradicate our communities based on some bs presumption we would do likewise when all past evidence indicates otherwise? How is it possible to have faith when Roq paints the forums with posts claiming he doesn't hold a grudge but then a log reveals he has been waiting more than 3 years for this moment?

The truth of the matter is that by revealing these logs, our coalition is holding your coalition's leadership accountable for their words and actions. Something which the members of your own side should be doing but sadly aren't.

Also sup bruce, how long has it been?

I am good .. will respond d in a bit family stuff 

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What CoA is really saying is that they love this forever war! They are clearly winning so why wouldn't they want to prolong it??

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5 hours ago, George Clooney said:

-snip-

First, I never leaked OOC info unless it was about myself.  So your angsty rage is misdirected here.  Then again, seeing multiple references where -I- was blamed for certain AAs reactions doesn’t make it surprising you’d try to pin that on me too.

Just a protip as well: I not once referenced any of the OOC content in those logs at all either.  So get off my dick about it and go direct your attention elsewhere about it.

Second, there are MULTIPLE references of you and your leads talking about disbanding our AAs (Primarily TKR, KT, and TGH).

Third, there are MULTIPLE references of your leads admitting to stalling talks or giving our negotiators the run around to avoid peace.

And in both situations, they’re not recent convos - those references dated back to early Sept at least and are continued up to just last week.

Your whole wall of text there is nothing but bullshit.

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1 hour ago, Prefonteen said:

That makes even less sense than your usual posts, friend....

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2 hours ago, Charles the Tyrant said:

It's near impossible to have faith once you read the contents of the logs themselves. How is it possible to have faith when a member of NPO's upper gov is advocating prolonging the war simply to eradicate our communities based on some bs presumption we would do likewise when all past evidence indicates otherwise? How is it possible to have faith when Roq paints the forums with posts claiming he doesn't hold a grudge but then a log reveals he has been waiting more than 3 years for this moment?

The truth of the matter is that by revealing these logs, our coalition is holding your coalition's leadership accountable for their words and actions. Something which the members of your own side should be doing but sadly aren't.

Also sup bruce, how long has it been?

Okay I cam understand ur scepticism on the intent. In all honesty how bout u post logs from ur coalition channels and I bet we will see similar kinds of intents as well. We all know that in private we all say things such as let's ruin them til they .... well u get the point I think we all have some intelligence in us. And sure maybe from 3 or so years ago before NPO  time here when we were vanguard i can relate to maybe what 3 years means. We all know history is never forgotten and given a chance we all may say vindictive things to air out r resentments.  With that in mind we also know that when it comes down to it we all settle down during talks and move on with our peace and heck sometimes we make knew friends. Regardless of anything as the surrending coalition I think the processes given to talk peace or not out of the norm and in many cases talks happen with segregation in certain instances. Log dumping or threads like this only make the process of peace longer and create longer or more distasteful resentment to reach the peace terms. 

 

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4 hours ago, brucemna said:

The question is when did  the rest of ur coalition walk away when u werfound out the u were to be separated from the main talks.  Thiugh I do understand at the point they backed of but that would mean 20 days is mute amd it would of been up to ur side to now accept the process that was given to ur side. I guess in a round about way would ur side now consider the separation in talks on condition as long as nothing is final til peace is made with all .... 

Do you usually have words like these coming out your mouth - sounds like it's coming out the wrong end.

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